Pedroia out with renewed left knee pain

[moonslav59]

I'm not even sure Pedey could play 6 days a week as a DH.

 

I think the best we can probably expect, assuming 7 games in 7 days, is for him to play 2-3 games at 2B and 2-3 at DH for 5 games a week. Tops.

 

If this ever does happen, and I'll believe it when I see it, it shouldn't cut back on anyone's playing time, except JBJ (when JD plays OF to make room for Pedey at DH) and maybe Moreland/Pearce (when Chavis plays 1B when Pedey plays 2B).

 

It may not ever really come down to Pedey vs Chavis. It may be Pedey vs JBJ, Pearce & Moreland.

 

Devers, our OF'ers and 1Bmen will all get their normal days off, which is a lot under Cora, so we're not talking about anyone seeing their playing time cut way back, except Nunez/Holt.

[Kimmi]

He is off the 25 man.

 

The guy has been an incredible player for the Sox for a long time and is only trying to hold on to the only life he’s ever known for as long as possible. He isn’t hurting the team at all; it’s not like Holt and Nunez we’re doing such great jobs benching them would have been criminal. He may never play again, but all he’s doing now is trying.

 

Yet so many people keep trying to wish him out of existence for some reason...

 

Amen, brother Notin.

 

Personally, I'm pulling for him.

[Kimmi]

One stupid moment in a long career.

 

And apparently, the comment was entirely misinterpreted.

[Kimmi]

They’re not going to bench Chavis until Chavis himself gives them good reason. DH, 1b,3b, LF. They’ll find somewhere to play him as long as he keeps this up...

 

Bingo.

 

Pedroia returning, if he does, is not going to knock Chavis off the 25 man roster.

[moonslav59]

Bingo.

 

Pedroia returning, if he does, is not going to knock Chavis off the 25 man roster.

 

Nor should it knock him out of the line-up by even 1 day other than his normal days of rest, at least until he is slumping.

 

There's room for Pedey and Chavis to play as much as they deserve.

[cp176]

Amen, brother Notin.

 

Personally, I'm pulling for him.

 

We are all pulling for him i'm sure. Kind of sad that it might be projected here that some of us aren't.

[cp176]

R

 

I’m sure the performance of Chavis is a factor for some people in their wanting Pedroia to retire, but I doubt it’s going to matter. As long as Chavis continues to hit, they’ll find a position for him. It’s not like he’s killing it at 2b...

 

he has done a good job playing second base. what do you think he has to do to be "killing it"?

[notin]

he has done a good job playing second base. what do you think he has to do to be "killing it"?

 

He’s been ok. But it’s not like he can’t be moved to another position...

[georom4]

I told you 6 years ago that Pedroia was damaged goods and would be through by his mid-thirties based on his recklessness for his long term health (like Larry Bird). 100% correct again.

[Bellhorn04]

I told you 6 years ago that Pedroia was damaged goods and would be through by his mid-thirties based on his recklessness for his long term health (like Larry Bird). 100% correct again.

 

Yeah, 100% correct, just like when you said we should trade Mookie Betts for Matt Kemp.

[mvp 78]

Yeah, 100% correct, just like when you said we should trade Mookie Betts for Matt Kemp.

 

That's a no for me dawg. Matt Kemp is the epitome of damaged goods.

[Slasher9]

Yeah, 100% correct, just like when you said we should trade Mookie Betts for Matt Kemp.

 

hahahahaha. dang. HFX with the neckpunch.

if memory serves werent we giving up even more than just MB in that proposed deal?

[Bellhorn04]

hahahahaha. dang. HFX with the neckpunch.

if memory serves werent we giving up even more than just MB in that proposed deal?

 

I think you're right. It might have been Mookie and JBJ. I can't remember who the second name was.

[notin]

hahahahaha. dang. HFX with the neckpunch.

if memory serves werent we giving up even more than just MB in that proposed deal?

 

 

I believe it was Betts and Workman for Kemp with the Sox taking the entire contract, which for Kemp at the time had 6 years and over $120mill remaining...

[oldtimer]

Yet another set back for Dustin yesterday. Soreness in his left knee seems to haunt him. The Red Sox made a bet that he could get back but so far it has been a pipe dream. Dustin has to be asking himself if it is time to retire, but the contract is still there and the money is too good to pass up.

[bosoxmal]

I hope the next time I see Dustin an a uniform he'e'll be managing the Marlins. enjoying the weather instead of freezing his beaten body every day.

 

If there is a good reason for him to trot out to 2nd base again, I haven't heard about it.

[jacksonianmarch]

All of us near 40 or older can relate. I can get all ready, go out and give it my all on a baseball field once a week. If it tried to play 3-4 games in a row, my body won’t handle it. It’s just the way it is. Dustin has an old man’s injury and now is an old man. Time to realize this. Either activate him as a true backup who can only play every other game at most, or shelve him permanently. He’s never coming back to FT duty

[vegasbob]

I'm confident of two things: 1. Dustin will never be back as a FT player, and not even a majority time player. 2. The Sox will let him wallow around in Portland/Pawtucket and any where else he wants to bring his gear. On the day Pedey says he's ready , then they will deal with it. He's out of sight and almost out of mind for the interim. There are other situations to solve first, like who to move for Holt and should we trade JBJr for a good #2 starting pitcher (sarcasm alert)

[moonslav59]

I'm confident of two things: 1. Dustin will never be back as a FT player, and not even a majority time player. 2. The Sox will let him wallow around in Portland/Pawtucket and any where else he wants to bring his gear. On the day Pedey says he's ready , then they will deal with it. He's out of sight and almost out of mind for the interim. There are other situations to solve first, like who to move for Holt ...

 

I agree on all of this.

 

If Holy is ready before Pedey, I think we'll go with 12 pitchers for a while by demoting Lakins or Brewer or trading/DFA'ing Thornburg. The next choice will be tougher:

 

Pedey (Nunez, Peacre or Holt NOT Chavis)

 

Eovaldi (Lakins, Brewer, Thornburg)

 

Johnson (Lakins, Brewer, Thornburg, Weber)

[vegasbob]

I agree on all of this.

 

If Holy is ready before Pedey, I think we'll go with 12 pitchers for a while by demoting Lakins or Brewer or trading/DFA'ing Thornburg. The next choice will be tougher:

 

Pedey (Nunez, Peacre or Holt NOT Chavis)

 

Eovaldi (Lakins, Brewer, Thornburg)

 

Johnson (Lakins, Brewer, Thornburg, Weber)

 

It's always good to have choices and a game plan with options . Based on both history and recent pitching, do you prefer to try Johnson mid season over going with Weber until he might flame out. Maybe it comes down to minor league options, but I would ride Weber as the #5 or spot starter until other teams catch up to his off speed approach with good movement.

 

Last thought on Pedroia. The Sox will be paying him the next few years no matter if he can play or not. The current off season and rehab stints have not produced usable results. Why not send him away from pressing the issue, with the commitment to return next ST and see if the procedure done and effort to rehab can produce results after a long rest. If he then returns next ST and can play part time, let Pedey be a valuable bench guy in lieu of Nunez. I realize this is contrary to his laser show personality , but someone ( a Dr. or DD) needs to tell him to accept reality and make something of it.

[moonslav59]

It's always good to have choices and a game plan with options . Based on both history and recent pitching, do you prefer to try Johnson mid season over going with Weber until he might flame out. Maybe it comes down to minor league options, but I would ride Weber as the #5 or spot starter until other teams catch up to his off speed approach with good movement.

 

Last thought on Pedroia. The Sox will be paying him the next few years no matter if he can play or not. The current off season and rehab stints have not produced usable results. Why not send him away from pressing the issue, with the commitment to return next ST and see if the procedure done and effort to rehab can produce results after a long rest. If he then returns next ST and can play part time, let Pedey be a valuable bench guy in lieu of Nunez. I realize this is contrary to his laser show personality , but someone ( a Dr. or DD) needs to tell him to accept reality and make something of it.

 

Certainly, if Weber keep pitching well, he stays, but I do think that when Johnson gets healthy, he'll be back on the 25 man roster, somehow. Besides, he's out of option. (Hint: Velazquez is not.)

 

We will not DFA Pedey. He may retire. He may spend 95% of the season on the IL or in rehab. It may come down to having to lose Pearce, Nunez or Holt.

 

[cp176]

Letting Pedroia play somewhere in the organization I guess doesn't hurt anything as long as there isn't someone else with a potential future with us is sitting out. he has not played in so long, that I think him returning to a major league level player is likely not going to happen. For me, his lengthy and soap operaish recovery is tiring. Sad story but might be time to let it go. He is going to get paid but oh well.

[jung]

Certainly, if Weber keep pitching well, he stays, but I do think that when Johnson gets healthy, he'll be back on the 25 man roster, somehow. Besides, he's out of option. (Hint: Velazquez is not.)

 

We will not DFA Pedey. He may retire. He may spend 95% of the season on the IL or in rehab. It may come down to having to lose Pearce, Nunez or Holt.

 

 

Not TOO concerned about losing Pearce or Nunez. Its the offset that bothers me. Have got myself pretty well convinced that there is no way to logically conclude that Pedey can contribute greater than 0 as a player at this point and maybe ever again unless you consider 1 or 2 games followed by 5 games off as a "contribution" without even considering how effective he can be in the games he does play.

 

This is one place where at least the Sox are trying to push the issue. As for Pedey himself, he is already well past the statement he made before the season that if he could not go straight out of that long first rehab, effectively IT WAS OVER.

 

Notice how often Cora and DD have commented that Pedey MUST prove he can play multiple games in a row. Does anybody believe the Sox are stupid enough to think that is anywhere in the realm of possibility AT ALL? They should be watching Pedey very carefully with an eye to buying out his player contract and keeping him in some consultive capacity in the organization. Maybe they can convince him to stick around to continue to tutor Devers and start Chavis down the road of actually having some earthly idea about playing 2nd if that is where they want Chavis to play.

 

Question is this: Is ALL the money in his current contract worth it to Pedey to remain part of what is looking more and more like a charade with an ugly close if Pedey insists on continuing down this path. Unfortunately, I think it will take a lot to beat this nonsense out of Pedey and the PA won't like it either if Pedey takes a deal like that. At this point I am taking a total fan view of what is best for the team and for Pedey's legacy as a truly great player if not a somewhat flawed human being (aren't we all).

Edited May 26, 2019 by jung

[jacksonianmarch]

You guys are hilarious! Pedroia took a frickin discount to sign back with the Sox. He’d have either made the same amount over a shorter contract or made a higher total amount over the same time frame had he gone to market. Now you want him to give up two years of lottery money because he got hurt? That’s funny. And to consider him a flawed person who should “do the right thing” and retire and forgo the big payday is something nobody on this board would do. Cut the crap.

[Bellhorn04]

You guys are hilarious! Pedroia took a frickin discount to sign back with the Sox. He’d have either made the same amount over a shorter contract or made a higher total amount over the same time frame had he gone to market. Now you want him to give up two years of lottery money because he got hurt? That’s funny. And to consider him a flawed person who should “do the right thing” and retire and forgo the big payday is something nobody on this board would do. Cut the crap.

 

The question is becoming, what is the right thing for Pedey to do if in fact he just can't play any more.

 

The right thing is not to give up the money. He deserves the money. He got injured on the battlefield.

[notin]

Not TOO concerned about losing Pearce or Nunez. Its the offset that bothers me. Have got myself pretty well convinced that there is no way to logically conclude that Pedey can contribute greater than 0 as a player at this point and maybe ever again unless you consider 1 or 2 games followed by 5 games off as a "contribution" without even considering how effective he can be in the games he does play.

 

This is one place where at least the Sox are trying to push the issue. As for Pedey himself, he is already well past the statement he made before the season that if he could not go straight out of that long first rehab, effectively IT WAS OVER.

 

Notice how often Cora and DD have commented that Pedey MUST prove he can play multiple games in a row. Does anybody believe the Sox are stupid enough to think that is anywhere in the realm of possibility AT ALL? They should be watching Pedey very carefully with an eye to buying out his player contract and keeping him in some consultive capacity in the organization. Maybe they can convince him to stick around to continue to tutor Devers and start Chavis down the road of actually having some earthly idea about playing 2nd if that is where they want Chavis to play.

 

Question is this: Is ALL the money in his current contract worth it to Pedey to remain part of what is looking more and more like a charade with an ugly close if Pedey insists on continuing down this path. Unfortunately, I think it will take a lot to beat this nonsense out of Pedey and the PA won't like it either if Pedey takes a deal like that. At this point I am taking a total fan view of what is best for the team and for Pedey's legacy as a truly great player if not a somewhat flawed human being (aren't we all).

 

 

So I take it you don’t realize the Sox cannot “buy Pedroia out” and give him another position within the organization in order to circumvent the CBA? Yes, the CBA actually calls hat type of move out and deems it illegal.

 

The Sox are paying Pedroia and it will count against the luxury tax. The only way e doesn’t is if he retires and forfeits $25mill.

 

Can people stop whining about pay Pedroia? If Dombrowski can’t build a MLB team on a paltry $230mill, he should be fired. End of discussion...

[jad]

Letting Pedroia play somewhere in the organization I guess doesn't hurt anything as long as there isn't someone else with a potential future with us is sitting out. he has not played in so long, that I think him returning to a major league level player is likely not going to happen. For me, his lengthy and soap operaish recovery is tiring. Sad story but might be time to let it go. He is going to get paid but oh well.

 

The 'soap-operaish" comment isn't directed at him, right? (I don't think you mean it that way). He's never been my favorite player, but he went all-in in a desperate attempt to get back. A lot of athletes have succumbed to the lure of that procedure (Greg Oden is the most striking example), which to me sounds close to quackery (as it also does to those few doctors and PAs I've asked about it) ("So, you have back pain? I have an idea: let's pulverize a couple of your vertebrae and see what happens."). He's doing his best to earn what the RS pay him, but I too doubt he'll ever be back.

[Bellhorn04]

So I take it you don’t realize the Sox cannot “buy Pedroia out” and give him another position within the organization in order to circumvent the CBA? Yes, the CBA actually calls hat type of move out and deems it illegal.

 

The Sox are paying Pedroia and it will count against the luxury tax. The only way e doesn’t is if he retires and forfeits $25mill.

 

Can people stop whining about pay Pedroia? If Dombrowski can’t build a MLB team on a paltry $230mill, he should be fired. End of discussion...

 

Does the team have to declare him physically unable to play for him to collect his money without retiring? Any idea how that works?

[notin]

The question is becoming, what is the right thing for Pedey to do if in fact he just can't play any more.

 

The right thing is not to give up the money. He deserves the money. He got injured on the battlefield.

 

I get the impression many think the “right thing” is to allow the Sox to sign another free agent.

 

Because we know THAT method never goes awry...

[notin]

Does the team have to declare him physically unable to play for him to collect his money without retiring? Any idea how that works?

 

They can keep him on the 60 Day IL forever, like the Rangers are doing with Prince Fielder...