Pedroia out with renewed left knee pain

[Bellhorn04]

Pedroia was given an 8 year extension when he was 30. I am generally opposed to contracts over 5 years for a 30 year old. Whiie its true his initial OPS was still healthy, joint issues to knees where bone is on bone don't develop overnight.

 

Are you sure he wouldn't be just fine if it wasn't for the injury on the Machado play? That was where it all seemed to fall apart for him.

[Bellhorn04]

Pedroia has been placed on the 60-day IL.

[vegasbob]

Pedroia has been placed on the 60-day IL.

 

A combination of common sense and the reality of the situation. I still think it would be realistic to give Pedey the rest of the year on the 60 day list, keep physically fit by swimming and see what it is like next ST.

[vegasbob]

Not necessarily the right thread, but now with Holt back and having been very inactive, Cora and the FO need to see if he can hit between now and the trade deadline (not that Brock will bring a lot, except perhaps in a package deal) Brock's early 16 AB's in 6 games showed nothing working, like many of his teammates at that point. The division of time between Chavis, Holt and Nunez will get interesting

[bertha]

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[jacksonianmarch]

Pedroia admitted today that his knee may not allow him to play again.

 

A player who is deemed medically unfit to play does not need to rehab and try to come back. They can be released and the contract will still count, but the player won’t be counted as a member of the 40 man through the winter when 40 man spots can get tight. This happened with David Wright and Prince Fielder. Neither player was forced to give up cash and neither player was forced to try to play. This might end up being the way Pedroia goes

[vegasbob]

It looks like Dustin is 90% of the way to accepting that he cannot play on any basis. Give him some time and he will most likely take the PUP list designation (NFL terminology) . End of a lifetime Red Sox career. I'm sure he'll be around the team at times, maybe with Chavis learning second.

[moonslav59]

The Red Sox shifted injured second baseman Dustin Pedroia to the 60-day injured list on Monday after he suffered yet another setback in his problematic left knee. Pedroia met with reporters afterward to discuss his future, revealing he’s unsure if he’ll be able to resume his career.

 

“I’m at a point right now where I need some time. That’s what my status is,” Pedroia told Rob Bradford of WEEI and other media. Asked if he’ll play again, Pedroia said, “I’m not sure.”

 

One thing is clear, according to Pedroia: Another surgical procedure is off the table. The 35-year-old has gone under the knife twice dating back to October 2016, but neither knee surgery has helped him stay on the field. Pedroia missed all but three regular-season games during Boston’s World Series-winning campaign in 2018 and has only appeared in six this year.

 

With it looking as if Pedroia won’t play again in 2019, he’s set to take an “indefinite break” from rehabbing his knee, which he doesn’t believe will ever heal (via Chris Cotillo of MassLive.com).

 

“Time will go on and I’ll know more about it,” Pedroia said. “I haven’t sat down and thought about retirement. I just now that right now I need a break from the everyday stresses and dealing what I’m dealing with.”

 

If we have seen the last of Pedroia on the diamond, it’ll mark the end of a borderline Hall of Fame career. A second-round pick of the Red Sox in 2004, the diminutive Pedroia burst on the scene in 2007, his first full season, en route to AL Rookie of the Year honors. All he has done since then is win an AL MVP (2008), earn four All-Star berths and help the Red Sox to two World Series championships, among other accomplishments. To this point, Pedroia’s a .299/.365/.439 hitter (115 wRC+) with 140 home runs, 138 stolen bases and 51.7 rWAR/46.7 fWAR.

 

Thanks to the brilliance Pedroia displayed over his first several seasons, the Red Sox signed him to an eight-year, $110MM extension in July 2013. Including this season’s $15MM salary, he’s still owed $40MM on that deal through 2021. Now, six years after Pedroia inked the first-ever nine-figure pact for a second baseman, his playing career may be over.

 

[vegasbob]

Pedey will come to learn after another year or two of limited knee function and accompanying pain that a partial or full knee replacement will give him great relief . I do know personally two people who had the microfracture process with PRP about 5 years ago, did actually generate some limited cartilage growth, were routinely active for a couple years before it degenerated again. One had a partial replacement and the other a full in the last 2 months, now fully functional and pain free aside from the surgery itself healing. At 35, Pedey may be a little early for replacement or he will likely need it again later in life. He will eventually be fine and is already wealthy.

 

He gets the money, clears up the uncertainty, opens the 40 man slot and will be welcome around Fenway . Managerial material after 2021 ? Not IMO.

[Nick]

The Red Sox shifted injured second baseman Dustin Pedroia to the 60-day injured list on Monday after he suffered yet another setback in his problematic left knee. Pedroia met with reporters afterward to discuss his future, revealing he’s unsure if he’ll be able to resume his career.

 

“I’m at a point right now where I need some time. That’s what my status is,” Pedroia told Rob Bradford of WEEI and other media. Asked if he’ll play again, Pedroia said, “I’m not sure.”

 

One thing is clear, according to Pedroia: Another surgical procedure is off the table. The 35-year-old has gone under the knife twice dating back to October 2016, but neither knee surgery has helped him stay on the field. Pedroia missed all but three regular-season games during Boston’s World Series-winning campaign in 2018 and has only appeared in six this year.

 

With it looking as if Pedroia won’t play again in 2019, he’s set to take an “indefinite break” from rehabbing his knee, which he doesn’t believe will ever heal (via Chris Cotillo of MassLive.com).

 

“Time will go on and I’ll know more about it,” Pedroia said. “I haven’t sat down and thought about retirement. I just now that right now I need a break from the everyday stresses and dealing what I’m dealing with.”

 

If we have seen the last of Pedroia on the diamond, it’ll mark the end of a borderline Hall of Fame career. A second-round pick of the Red Sox in 2004, the diminutive Pedroia burst on the scene in 2007, his first full season, en route to AL Rookie of the Year honors. All he has done since then is win an AL MVP (2008), earn four All-Star berths and help the Red Sox to two World Series championships, among other accomplishments. To this point, Pedroia’s a .299/.365/.439 hitter (115 wRC+) with 140 home runs, 138 stolen bases and 51.7 rWAR/46.7 fWAR.

 

Thanks to the brilliance Pedroia displayed over his first several seasons, the Red Sox signed him to an eight-year, $110MM extension in July 2013. Including this season’s $15MM salary, he’s still owed $40MM on that deal through 2021. Now, six years after Pedroia inked the first-ever nine-figure pact for a second baseman, his playing career may be over.

 

 

So much for home team discount. $110M.

 

2014 135 games

2015 93 games

2016 154 games

2017 105 games

2018 3 games

2019 6 games

2020 0 games

2021 0 games

 

Basically Sox paid him $27.5M per year.

 

He gave everything he had. Not being negative about the player. He wanted to remain a Red Sox. Really need to think about long term contracts.

 

I just want him to live a pain free life. He's too young to be hurting daily from just living.

Edited May 27, 2019 by Nick

[jung]

Pedey will come to learn after another year or two of limited knee function and accompanying pain that a partial or full knee replacement will give him great relief . I do know personally two people who had the microfracture process with PRP about 5 years ago, did actually generate some limited cartilage growth, were routinely active for a couple years before it degenerated again. One had a partial replacement and the other a full in the last 2 months, now fully functional and pain free aside from the surgery itself healing. At 35, Pedey may be a little early for replacement or he will likely need it again later in life. He will eventually be fine and is already wealthy.

 

He gets the money, clears up the uncertainty, opens the 40 man slot and will be welcome around Fenway . Managerial material after 2021 ? Not IMO.

 

If Pedey eventually agrees, they should make him a player/coach and change his contract to reflect the coaching responsibilities they assign to him. I hate nebulous responsibilities. I hated them being assigned to me and I hate seeing anybody stuck in that limbo land.

 

Keep his money the same because the lux tax money is spend no matter what they do. Just find a way to extract the value they can from Pedey while relieving all of the participants in this current charade including Pedey from being tied to this particular whipping post.

[jacksonianmarch]

Pedey will come to learn after another year or two of limited knee function and accompanying pain that a partial or full knee replacement will give him great relief . I do know personally two people who had the microfracture process with PRP about 5 years ago, did actually generate some limited cartilage growth, were routinely active for a couple years before it degenerated again. One had a partial replacement and the other a full in the last 2 months, now fully functional and pain free aside from the surgery itself healing. At 35, Pedey may be a little early for replacement or he will likely need it again later in life. He will eventually be fine and is already wealthy.

 

He gets the money, clears up the uncertainty, opens the 40 man slot and will be welcome around Fenway . Managerial material after 2021 ? Not IMO.

 

Most surgeons won’t replace a joint due to DJD until a person is 50. All fake joints eventually fail and guaranteeing more surgery is a good way to decrease life expectancy

[Bellhorn04]

So much for home team discount. $110M.

 

2014 135 games

2015 93 games

2016 154 games

2017 105 games

2018 3 games

2019 6 games

2020 0 games

2021 0 games

 

Basically Sox paid him $27.5M per year.

 

He gave everything he had. Not being negative about the player. He wanted to remain a Red Sox. Really need to think about long term contracts.

 

If injury fears stopped the Red Sox from giving out long term contracts, the extensions with Sale and Bogey would not have taken place.

[illinoisredsox]

If Pedey eventually agrees, they should make him a player/coach and change his contract to reflect the coaching responsibilities they assign to him. I hate nebulous responsibilities. I hated them being assigned to me and I hate seeing anybody stuck in that limbo land.

 

Keep his money the same because the lux tax money is spend no matter what they do. Just find a way to extract the value they can from Pedey while relieving all of the participants in this current charade including Pedey from being tied to this particular whipping post.

 

Would Pedroia even want to coach? His kids are around 10, 7 and 5. Perhaps he’d like to see them in their own pursuits.

[oldtimer]

Are you sure he wouldn't be just fine if it wasn't for the injury on the Machado play? That was where it all seemed to fall apart for him.

 

The type of injury that he was being treated for sounded like wear. If it was a torn MCL or ACL that could have been repaired and he would be back playing by now.

[vegasbob]

Most surgeons won’t replace a joint due to DJD until a person is 50. All fake joints eventually fail and guaranteeing more surgery is a good way to decrease life expectancy

 

The people I know who recently had replacements done 5 years after microfracture were over 50 at the time, so no disagreement there. Pedey may have other options as artificial joint repair/replacement becomes even more refined in the future.

[jung]

Boy Pedey did not look like he is resigned to this direction in that presser. Evil eyes staring from under a pulled down bill on his cap...even farther down than usual for Pedey.

 

I suspect that this is not Pedey "crying out" for this 60 day hiatus. I suspect this is Pedey's family and friends and the Sox org HOPING that a 60 day hiatus might just finally convince Pedey that his career as a player is over. Pedey was literally chewing his cud as Cora and DD were talking, Grinding upper jaw against lower jaw.

[moonslav59]

Boy Pedey did not look like he is resigned to this direction in that presser. Evil eyes staring from under a pulled down bill on his cap...even farther down than usual for Pedey.

 

I suspect that this is not Pedey "crying out" for this 60 day hiatus. I suspect this is Pedey's family and friends and the Sox org HOPING that a 60 day hiatus might just finally convince Pedey that his career as a player is over. Pedey was literally chewing his cud as Cora and DD were talking, Grinding upper jaw against lower jaw.

 

It must be hard to quit the game you love so much after making it to the highest level and playing like an MVP.

 

He's a fighter. I'd have been shocked, if he didn't look the way he did.

 

[Nick]

If injury fears stopped the Red Sox from giving out long term contracts, the extensions with Sale and Bogey would not have taken place.

 

We're taking a chance on Sale for sure but Xander is only 26 and I'd say he has much better body than Pedey. Lot more athletic.

[sk7326]

he's one of the three greatest infielders in the eleventy-billion year history of the Red Sox ... and possibly the greatest middle infielder in franchise history (and definitely one of the top two). He did all he could - and he remained a good player until his body failed him. Shame it has to end but father time is undefeated.

[moonslav59]

We're taking a chance on Sale for sure but Xander is only 26 and I'd say he has much better body than Pedey. Lot more athletic.

 

Plus, Pedey's deal was 8n years, while Sale's is 5 and Bogey's 6. That's a big difference, especially when you look the age comps.

[Thunder]

I knew from the start of last season that this would be the end for Pedey. Very sad, considering what he's done for us, the way he played, and the fact that he's been on the time since I was 8, but I saw this coming

[sk7326]

Plus, Pedey's deal was 8n years, while Sale's is 5 and Bogey's 6. That's a big difference, especially when you look the age comps.

 

What is interesting is that Pedroia - at the point of the signing - was pretty durable. There were no indicators his body would fall apart - the 8 years was rich but the team was correct in that he'd be a screaming bargain if he could stay on the field. Of course his fortunes turned in 2015 and never got better healthwise.

[Swiharts Ghost]

You make Pedey bench coach period .

[illinoisredsox]

You make Pedey bench coach period .

 

Why would he WANT that job?

[Thunder]

Why would he WANT that job?

 

Yeah, he would never do that. Plus, Roenicke is a damn good bench coach

[Bellhorn04]

Plus, Pedey's deal was 8n years, while Sale's is 5 and Bogey's 6. That's a big difference, especially when you look the age comps.

 

What Pedroia signed in 2013 was actually a 6 year extension to an existing contract that was due to expire at the end of 2021.

 

If you want to call it 8 years, then by the same token you have to call Sale's 6 years and Bogey's 7 years.

[mvp 78]

Should have traded him WHEN I FIRST SAID IT.

 

I was right all along you f***ers.

[redsoxrules]

Should have traded him WHEN I FIRST SAID IT.

 

I was right all along you f***ers.

 

Pedey was never getting traded regardless.

He was going to retire as a red sox all along

[jad]

Let me preface this with saying that I spent all my working life as a member of a labor union. I've served on the Executive board for many years and was involved in negotiating more than one contract at my plant of more than 1000 employees. So I believe in labor unions. Now...

 

At the risk of going off on a tangent here, it's occurred to me that the MLPBA has an unusual relationship with its players. They're neither hay nor chaff, as we like to say up here in the Northeast. They're not considered to be the 'sole bargaining agent' for the players because if they were all players in the same general circumstances would get the same pay. At the same time they're able to dictate player's minimum salaries and how players and management can restructure a contract.

It would seem that the MLBPA has taken over the decisions a player can make in regard to the end of their careers, at a time when the players would want more flexibility.

 

I think I follow this: you mean because players have agents and their individual salaries are negotiated that way, within the fairly strict rules the Union has set up with management? Interesting point--the first comparable case that comes to mind is the ScreenActorsGuild. I'm wondering if this is something that applies to, say, 'white-collar unions' as opposed to blue-collar unions. (That's more or less my case, although what we have is not technically a union.) So the wealthy or well-to-do can get the benefits of unions w/o any of its drawbacks?