Should Jackie Bradley Jr be traded?

[moonslav59]

What makes you think that JBJ and a no name would get that trade done? Scooter should be an All Star.

 

I'm not saying Cincy would do the deal, but 2 months of Scooter for 14 months of JBJ does have something going for it.

[harmony]

I'm not saying Cincy would do the deal, but 2 months of Scooter for 14 months of JBJ does have something going for it.

Scooter Gennett, who entered the season with four years and 71 days of MLB service, does not become a free agent until after next season.

 

Jackie Bradley Jr. entered the season with three years and 150 days of MLB service but in part because of his former Super Two status Bradley's 2018 salary of $6.1 million tops Gennett's 2018 salary of $5.7 million.

[moonslav59]

Scooter Gennett, who entered the season with four years and 71 days of MLB service, does not become a free agent until after next season.

 

Jackie Bradley Jr. entered the season with three years and 150 days of MLB service but in part because of his former Super Two status Bradley's 2018 salary of $6.1 million tops Gennett's 2018 salary of $5.7 million.

 

You're right. My bad.

 

We don't have what it would take to pry him from the Reds.

[Jasonbay44]

The logic of "JBJ sucks, lets trade him for an all star on another team" really makes sense if you don't think about it. I think Pomeranz sucks, think we can trade him for Kershaw?

[jad]

The logic of "JBJ sucks, lets trade him for an all star on another team" really makes sense if you don't think about it. I think Pomeranz sucks, think we can trade him for Kershaw?

 

It's our version of the cry ubiquitous on NBA boards: "Once LeBron gets here ..."

[cp176]

The logic of "JBJ sucks, lets trade him for an all star on another team" really makes sense if you don't think about it. I think Pomeranz sucks, think we can trade him for Kershaw?

 

lol - good post - you kept within the theme of the numbskull never going to happen trade theme.

[Slasher9]

The logic of "JBJ sucks, lets trade him for an all star on another team" really makes sense if you don't think about it. I think Pomeranz sucks, think we can trade him for Kershaw?

 

Hahaha. Well done sir. +2 points.

[oldtimer]

The logic of "JBJ sucks, lets trade him for an all star on another team" really makes sense if you don't think about it. I think Pomeranz sucks, think we can trade him for Kershaw?

 

Maybe Devers for Trout.

[jacksonianmarch]

I’ve said 100 times and I’ll say it again. When JBJ can return a solid player, you won’t want to deal him. You don’t deal him with a .200 BA and 3HR. You deal him when he posts a .800+ OPS on the season

[notin]

You're right. My bad.

 

We don't have what it would take to pry him from the Reds.

 

And the idea of trading Bradley to the Reds for Gennett is silly.

 

Not only do the Reds have center field defense pretty well taken care of, but then the Sox have no one to replace Martinez at DH if he goes to left field.

 

So the Sox weaken the defense and move one of Holt or Nunez to bench so they can get more at bats for Swihart or Travis? This doesn't seem like a good plan to me...

[jacksonianmarch]

The Reds don’t want a guy going into his second arb season for Gennett. They’re looking at a long rebuild. They’re going to want guys close to MLB ready with full control left

[notin]

The Reds don’t want a guy going into his second arb season for Gennett. They’re looking at a long rebuild. They’re going to want guys close to MLB ready with full control left

 

And probably not overly excited about defensive center fielders...

[Natick to NC]

The logic of "JBJ sucks, lets trade him for an all star on another team" really makes sense if you don't think about it. I think Pomeranz sucks, think we can trade him for Kershaw?

 

Just stop ....you are way to knowledgable a person to not see JBJ is replaceable easily .

[moonslav59]

And the idea of trading Bradley to the Reds for Gennett is silly.

 

Not only do the Reds have center field defense pretty well taken care of, but then the Sox have no one to replace Martinez at DH if he goes to left field.

 

So the Sox weaken the defense and move one of Holt or Nunez to bench so they can get more at bats for Swihart or Travis? This doesn't seem like a good plan to me...

 

I'm not for trading JBJ.

 

I was just saying that JBJ's longer team control should be a factor in this sort of trade, but I was wrong about Scooter's control years.

 

I'm firmly against trading JBJ, but I do see the point about him being replaceable-- not from inside our own current system, however. I'm not for putting JD in the OF full time. I think we're playing him out there now too much as it is.

 

To me, I would not even think about trading JBJ this year, unless Pedey returns and looks healthy (big if) AND Nunez starts hitting and looks healthier than he does now. The idea would be to play Nunez, Holt or Swihart in LF, Beni in CF and keep JD at DH, except for NL parks. The upgrade in offense might make up for a big chunk in the loss of defense (assuming JBJ never heats up).

 

That projected differential would then have to be weighed by the plus we get back in trade for JBJ.

 

Again, I'm not for trading JBJ and never have been, and certainly trading him when his stock is low is not prudent.

[notin]

Just stop ....you are way to knowledgable a person to not see JBJ is replaceable easily .

 

If he is easily replaceable, why is he good trade bait?

[moonslav59]

If he is easily replaceable, why is he good trade bait?

 

Ding, ding, DING!

[Jasonbay44]

Just stop ....you are way to knowledgable a person to not see JBJ is replaceable easily .

You are literally making my point for me. If he is easily replaceable, why would another team trade an all star level 2B for him? Also, not sure if you realize, but Reds already have an elite fielding CF whose inconsistent offensively in Billy Hamilton.

[DontCallMeUncleRico]

I’ve said 100 times and I’ll say it again. When JBJ can return a solid player, you won’t want to deal him. You don’t deal him with a .200 BA and 3HR. You deal him when he posts a .800+ OPS on the season

 

No because at that point, they're going to flip sides and say no we can't deal Jackie because he's one of the best cf's in the game. And on and on it goes.

[S5Dewey]

Some of us aren't going to be changing sides. We believe that because JBJ is one of the best CF's in the league we put up with his streakiness.

[notin]

Some of us aren't going to be changing sides. We believe that because JBJ is one of the best CF's in the league we put up with his streakiness.

 

And there's really no point in trading him. They'd either need another outfielder or need a DH. Bury him best the back of the order

[OH FOY]

Agree JBJ just stays.

[oldtimer]

Agree JBJ just stays.

 

We could do a lot better in CF but under our constraints it won't happen this year.

[S5Dewey]

We could do a lot better in CF but under our constraints it won't happen this year.

 

We could do better offensively in CF but we'd have to give up a lot of defense to get it.

[moonslav59]

I could see JBJ having a hot month, finishing over .750, and then be traded this winter. We could sign a great glove CF'er for cheap and just take the hit on offense, use the saved money elsewhere and hopefully whatever we get for JBJ helps us somewhere else.

 

I love JBJ, but I do think his defense can be replaced at close to the same level for a lot cheaper. His offense does not need to be replaced.

[dgalehouse]

I think most people understand the importance of defense. But let's face it , the lack of production from the bottom half of the order is a real concern no matter how you slice it.

[moonslav59]

I think most people understand the importance of defense. But let's face it , the lack of production from the bottom half of the order is a real concern no matter how you slice it.

 

It is a concern, but some of our bottom guys haven't all done all that bad over the last 4 weeks.

 

Losing Betts hurts.

 

Last 4 weeks OPS

 

.875 Leon

.780 Holt

.762 JBJ

.736 Vaz

 

Now, Devers at .602, Nunez at .668 and Swihart at .382 has hurt us badly.

[jacksonianmarch]

No because at that point, they're going to flip sides and say no we can't deal Jackie because he's one of the best cf's in the game. And on and on it goes.

 

That’s what I’m saying. When you should deal him, you won’t want to deal him

[OH FOY]

It is a concern, but some of our bottom guys haven't all done all that bad over the last 4 weeks.

 

Losing Betts hurts.

 

Last 4 weeks OPS

 

.875 Leon

.780 Holt

.762 JBJ

.736 Vaz

 

Now, Devers at .602, Nunez at .668 and Swihart at .382 has hurt us badly.

 

Does OPS count as when a Bat hits a ball, and you actually drive a run with a Hit? Because it doesn't show on Batting Average with JBJ and Vazquez. This might be an obsolete stat, but it still sounds the most sense to drive in runs.

To me a Two out single that drives in two runs with runners on 2nd and 3rd just as important than a 2 Run HR with less than 2 outs and a Runner on first. Especially if your behind in the score.

Edited June 11, 2018 by OH FOY!

[moonslav59]

Does OPS count as when a Bat hits a ball, and you actually drive a run with a Hit? Because it doesn't show on Batting Average with JBJ and Vazquez. This might be an obsolete stat, but it still sounds the most sense to drive in runs.

To me a Two out single that drives in two runs with runners on 2nd and 3rd just as important than a 2 Run HR with less than 2 outs and a Runner on first. Especially if your behind in the score.

 

Well, 4 of or 7 hitters with a .265 BA in the last 28 days are named Leon, Nunez, Vazquez and holt

[Bellhorn04]

That’s what I’m saying. When you should deal him, you won’t want to deal him

 

The only feasible time to deal JBJ is in the offseason. A team in contention can't trade their starting center fielder without a nifty backup plan which we don't have.