Hanley Ramirez

[User Name]

Since I made the initial comment on Trumbo, yes you did fine sir.

[Slasher9]

HA! Your right. I guess with all Moons plattoning ideas for hanley and all that i just assumed it was him.

My bad...

you dont need to apologize. Moon has stated he would trade han-ram.

[southpaw777]

Since I made the initial comment on Trumbo, yes you did fine sir.

 

I do hope you can find it in You to forgive my assumption. For i have meant no verbal harm to you

[southpaw777]

you dont need to apologize. Moon has stated he would trade han-ram.

 

He WHAT?!?!? Hes gone mad!!!

[User Name]

Apology accepted. We are once again in good standing, and can agree on the fact that Hanley's great and Trumbo sucks floppy donkey dick. Encarnacion plz.

[Spudboy]

Or at least Beltran.

[southpaw777]

We have young for a RH replacement in the OF, Shaw, Holt and a couple middle IF options besides them to fill in short term if need be. Also Moncada, over the next year, may be in Boston.

Why do we need Beltran? DH? Hes been a 300 hitter a good OBP again with 140 games, so he will have some value, even if year to year at this point in his career. How much do you think the Sox or another team would be willing to go to to get Beltran for a DH/1b type? Hes Still has 25+hr power so hes going to carry some value, even if just the AL.

[moonslav59]

You're right that he's had a fluctuating career at the plate, but it might not matter if he hits .881 or 1.040. To me, as our DH middle of the order bat, just give me the RBI. This season, Hanley has already tied his career high in rbi (106, 2009, age 25, .954) w/ an .881 OPS. The Sox, as presently constructed, get on base and I don't see that changing any time soon. I think he's a perfect fit for our team going forward.

 

I'd put their chances at trading HanRam at close to 0%.

 

I'd be happy with a roller coaster of between .881 and 10.40, but it's been worse than that, and I haven't even brought up the injury issues.

 

Here's the ride HanRam has taken starting in 2006....

.883

.948

.940

.954 (nice first 4 years, then this...)

.853

.712

.759

1.040 (Quite a ride now, isn't it?)

.817

.717

.881

 

Since 2009: down 3 straight, up 2 straight, down 2 straight and now up one.

 

PAs since 2010

619

385

604

304

449

401

511++

In 3 of the previous 4 years, HanRam failed to reach 450 PAs.

 

He's a high risk player on top of his game right now. I'm not going to argue about what we should do next year while he's in his best groove since 2013.

 

 

 

 

[Spudboy]

We have young for a RH replacement in the OF, Shaw, Holt and a couple middle IF options besides them to fill in short term if need be. Also Moncada, over the next year, may be in Boston.

Why do we need Beltran? DH? Hes been a 300 hitter a good OBP again with 140 games, so he will have some value, even if year to year at this point in his career. How much do you think the Sox or another team would be willing to go to to get Beltran for a DH/1b type? Hes Still has 25+hr power so hes going to carry some value, even if just the AL.

 

I am suggesting Beltran as full time DH for those who don't like the idea of Hanley as DH.

 

I don't know what he should be paid but I would lean toward a brief contract, say 2 years.

[moonslav59]

moon was talking about Trumbo there.

 

Yes, I was.

[moonslav59]

He WHAT?!?!? Hes gone mad!!!

 

I'm on planet Roller Coaster.

 

Look at 2011, 2012 and 2015.

 

You want to believe he's going to be 2013 or 2016 in 2017. That's fine. I get it.

 

It's not insane to want to sell high on a very inconsistent player.

 

When we're half way through 2017, I see two things that could happen:

 

1) I'll be apologizing, like I have many times before as HanRam is raking again.

 

2) Half the posters now saying I'm crazy will be calling for his trade at the deadline or next winter.

 

I'm not saying hand HanRam away.

 

I'm not saying we won't replace him, possibly by using the $22M more wisely.

 

I said last winter, I'd trade him even if he hit .950 this year, and some posters agreed. Now, nobody even wants to entertain the idea.

 

I'm not even saying trade him this winter, until this season's over.

 

 

[mvp 78]

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=8001&position=SS

 

Moon, where did you get your PA stats for? They don't agree to what is shown on Fangraphs.

[Jack Flap]

We have young for a RH replacement in the OF, Shaw, Holt and a couple middle IF options besides them to fill in short term if need be. Also Moncada, over the next year, may be in Boston.

Why do we need Beltran? DH? Hes been a 300 hitter a good OBP again with 140 games, so he will have some value, even if year to year at this point in his career. How much do you think the Sox or another team would be willing to go to to get Beltran for a DH/1b type? Hes Still has 25+hr power so hes going to carry some value, even if just the AL.

 

I wouldn't mind Beltran as much as some of the others because he won't be able to get a QO and, at his age, should only be able to demand one or two years at the most.

[mvp 78]

Also, this is his 2012 line: 24 hr, 92 rbi. I thought you liked his RBI numbers? That season seems fine to me.

[bosoxmal]

I am suggesting Beltran as full time DH for those who don't like the idea of Hanley as DH.

 

I don't know what he should be paid but I would lean toward a brief contract, say 2 years.

 

Beltran will be 40 in April. I wonder what Pablo looks like these days!

[mvp 78]

If your point is "in 2011 and 2015 he was injured. HE MAY GET INJURED AGAIN!"

 

I guess I'd have to shrug and agree with your assertion?

[Slasher9]

Beltran will be 40 in April. I wonder what Pablo looks like these days!

 

he's actually looking pretty good. def lost weight. he should get a fair shot in ST....

he should be banned from his mom's house over christmas break tho....

[bosoxmal]

Three

I'm on planet Roller Coaster.

 

Look at 2011, 2012 and 2015.

 

You want to believe he's going to be 2013 or 2016 in 2017. That's fine. I get it.

 

It's not insane to want to sell high on a very inconsistent player.

 

When we're half way through 2017, I see two things that could happen:

 

1) I'll be apologizing, like I have many times before as HanRam is raking again.

 

2) Half the posters now saying I'm crazy will be calling for his trade at the deadline or next winter.

 

I'm not saying hand HanRam away.

 

I'm not saying we won't replace him, possibly by using the $22M more wisely.

 

I said last winter, I'd trade him even if he hit .950 this year, and some posters agreed. Now, nobody even wants to entertain the idea.

 

I'm not even saying trade him this winter, until this season's over.

 

 

Three months ago I would have given him away. Now, I see no reason not to pencil him in at 1B for next year (unless he reports looking like Pablo). He's changed his attitude and worked (obviously) very hard to learn how to play first base.

[moonslav59]

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=8001&position=SS

 

Moon, where did you get your PA stats for? They don't agree to what is shown on Fangraphs.

 

Ooops, sorry. I was looking at ABs (baseball reference)for some years. Here are his PAs updated:

 

619

385

667

336

512

430

574++

 

4 of his previous 5 years never going over 512 PAs.

3 of 5 never going over 430.

 

Many of you guys hate Buch for this type of injury history, but since he's healthy now, and playing well, all is good and will continue to be.

[moonslav59]

If your point is "in 2011 and 2015 he was injured. HE MAY GET INJURED AGAIN!"

 

I guess I'd have to shrug and agree with your assertion?

 

He was also hurt in 2013- his great year, missing half the season.

[Bellhorn04]

The question that looms on Encarnacion is whether the Yankees will be in on him.

 

Why wouldn't they be? No more A-Rod, Tex off the books...I think they'll be in spending mode again.

[mvp 78]

Ramirez looks like Cal Ripken compared to Buchholz.

 

Hanley has had a 41 WAR career so far. Buchholz is at 14.

[mvp 78]

He was also hurt in 2013- his great year, missing half the season.

 

That was the beginning of the season, no?

 

He still wound up playing out of his mind and leading the Dodgers from last place to the playoffs.

[Nick]

Worst Case

 

C Sandy 1B Hanley 2B Pedey 3B Shaw SS Xander LF Beni CF Bradley RF Betts DH Young....throw in Sandy to DH when not catching, Swihart and Holt

 

Solid lineup, definitely a notch or two down from this year.

[a700hitter]

Ramirez looks like Cal Ripken compared to Buchholz.

 

Hanley has had a 41 WAR career so far. Buchholz is at 14.

I read an interesting stat the other day. In 1967, Yaz had 12.4 WAR season. That was the highest mark recorded in a season by a position player since Babe Ruth in 1927, and no position player achieved that mark since. Only 2 pitchers have surpassed that season mark -- Steve Carlton in 1972 when he won 27 games and Dwight Gooden in 1985. Yaz's mark of 12.4 has been surpassed only twice in a season by a position player -- both times by Babe Ruth. Whenever people talk about Yaz's 1967 season they talk about the final 2 weeks, but the entirety of his season was remarkable.

[Bellhorn04]

I read an interesting stat the other day. In 1967, Yaz had 12.4 WAR season. That was the highest mark recorded in a season by a position player since Babe Ruth in 1927, and no position player achieved that mark since. Only 2 pitchers have surpassed that season mark -- Steve Carlton in 1972 when he won 27 games and Dwight Gooden in 1985. Yaz's mark of 12.4 has been surpassed only twice in a season by a position player -- both times by Babe Ruth. Whenever people talk about Yaz's 1967 season they talk about the final 2 weeks, but the entirety of his season was remarkable.

 

Part of the reason his season was so amazing was that it was a time period dominated by pitchers.

[Nick]

Part of the reason his season was so amazing was that it was a time period dominated by pitchers.

 

I believe Yaz was the only player to hit over .300 in 1968. Second place was something like .293.

 

Bob Gibson's ERA was 1.12 or something crazy. They lowered the mounds shortly after, no?

 

Also was it Mickey Lolitch or Denny McClain that won 30 games or something?

Edited September 19, 2016 by Nick

[a700hitter]

I believe Yaz was the only player to hit over .300 in 1968. Second place was something like .293.

 

Bob Gibson's ERA was 1.12 or something crazy. They lowered the mounds shortly after, no?

 

Also was it Mickey Lolitch or Denny McClain that won 30 games or something?

The mound was lowered for the 1969 season.

[sk7326]

I read an interesting stat the other day. In 1967, Yaz had 12.4 WAR season. That was the highest mark recorded in a season by a position player since Babe Ruth in 1927, and no position player achieved that mark since. Only 2 pitchers have surpassed that season mark -- Steve Carlton in 1972 when he won 27 games and Dwight Gooden in 1985. Yaz's mark of 12.4 has been surpassed only twice in a season by a position player -- both times by Babe Ruth. Whenever people talk about Yaz's 1967 season they talk about the final 2 weeks, but the entirety of his season was remarkable.

 

led the league in RBIs, Runs Scored, On Base as well - and had good defensive results ... his 1967-1970 peak is as strong as there has ever been.

[Spudboy]

I saw the 1967 season up close and Yaz was the man.

 

But how is it that his WAR was determined? Did they have DWAR back then?

 

I don't remember anyone mentioning advanced defensive metrics in the '60s.

 

For those who did not see him play he was a spectacular defensive player that hit for average and power.