Red Sox Acquire Drew Pomeranz

[Hugh2]

Who knows. These teams with pitchers for sale are in a position of power. If there isn't much out there (like there isn't) and there is a need, you're going to get a lot for a guy with a couple question marks.

 

True, we don't really know for sure. But generally speaking in any type of negotiation you don't start with your best price. Oakland isn't going to ask us for the minimum they'd be willing to take just like we aren't going to start with our best offer. Although I do ponder if DD came to the Padres with a larger offer than he normally would to avoid going to the deadline where the market could turn one way or another. They may have got Pomeranz for a bit less then, but after today with Hill going down....the price could have been higher actually.

 

Kind of like how Groome was asking for 4 million plus, Sox apparently at some point offered 3.5 (above slot) and settled for 3.65 million.

 

Let me put it this way, I'm pretty sure that the Sox and the A's as well as most MLB teams are better at negotiating than this guy.

[bowman]

Hill left game with what was reported as a blister that popped. Nothing serious, but could nag him for a start or two.

[NativeBostonian]

Hill left game with what was reported as a blister that popped. Nothing serious, but could nag him for a start or two.

 

I've never heard of someone leaving a game because a blister popped. He's definitely injury prone. I wouldn't give up a lot for him.

[Palodios]

I've never heard of someone leaving a game because a blister popped. He's definitely injury prone. I wouldn't give up a lot for him.

 

Didn't Buchholz miss a few games for a sore fingenail on his non pitching hand a while back?

[cp176]

You want a summary?

 

Sox gave up a special talent

 

They got great present value.

 

They are showing they are going for it this year and helping their team for the following 2.

 

DD has a good track record and has been working to plug every hole on this team this year. He got a bullpen arm, a RHH infield bat, and a good starting pitcher.

 

Espinoza is a stud. Pomeranz might see even better days ahead.

 

Yes - much more to the point with lots of good points made. I do like your points. I don't always agree but that is beside the point. Not sure how I feel about Espinoza just yet. good potential for sure but I do like Pomeranz going forward. We have a no nonsense general manager who is concerned about both the present and the future.

[Nick]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/red-sox-fans-stadium-clear-signal-yankees-brass-article-1.2714453

 

Here's a good article you might enjoy....someone should tell the writer that Sandy Leon is now the starter, not a backup.

[Kingface]

I've never heard of someone leaving a game because a blister popped. He's definitely injury prone. I wouldn't give up a lot for him.

 

I'd trade Josh Beckett for him........

[User Name]

I've never heard of someone leaving a game because a blister popped. He's definitely injury prone. I wouldn't give up a lot for him.

 

Josh Beckett spent two weeks on the DL on a yearly basis because of blisters until he was acquired by the Red Sox.

[Slasher9]

Josh Beckett spent two weeks on the DL on a yearly basis because of blisters until he was acquired by the Red Sox.

 

Thank you! I was racking my brain trying to remember who it was.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Didn't he have blister problems near the end of his time in Boston too?

[User Name]

Not as severely.

[SoxHop]

Josh Beckett spent two weeks on the DL on a yearly basis because of blisters until he was acquired by the Red Sox.

 

Yea...... he even had an issue or two when he was with us........... hell they were talking about it almost every game for a while with the Sox......... and as a grown man I was hoping every game another man didn't have a blister....

[southpaw777]

I've never heard of someone leaving a game because a blister popped. He's definitely injury prone. I wouldn't give up a lot for him.

 

Beckett had blister issues with Marlins and had to change the way he gripped the ball. Had them in boston for a short time but we fixed that.

Edit: guess i shouldve read the last couple comments.

Edited July 18, 2016 by southpaw777

[southpaw777]

For those saying that DD should have secured the depth of the rotation last winter, you might want to rethink that...We already had a rotation set with depth in AAA as well as picking up Elias, which gave us 8-9 options. Your using hindsight and forgetting that a guy like DD most certainly would explore EVERY option. I think his track record should show that.

Blaming him for the massive underperformance/injuries from our depth as well as rotation is unfair. Rich Hill wouldnt even come here because there was no guarantee of a MLB roster spot. Kelly and porcello looked great down the stretch. We still had a 23yo in ERod who everyone slotted in the #2 slot before his knee issues. Owens, Johnson, Elias, depth pickups like O'Sullivan and wright was looking at a swing man role.

I heard no complaints about our pitching depth, only praise. Especially after getting Price.

[Hugh2]

For those saying that DD should have secured the depth of the rotation last winter, you might want to rethink that...We already had a rotation set with depth in AAA as well as picking up Elias, which gave us 8-9 options. Your using hindsight and forgetting that a guy like DD most certainly would explore EVERY option. I think his track record should show that.

Blaming him for the massive underperformance/injuries from our depth as well as rotation is unfair. Rich Hill wouldnt even come here because there was no guarantee of a MLB roster spot. Kelly and porcello looked great down the stretch. We still had a 23yo in ERod who everyone slotted in the #2 slot before his knee issues. Owens, Johnson, Elias, depth pickups like O'Sullivan and wright was looking at a swing man role.

I heard no complaints about our pitching depth, only praise. Especially after getting Price.

 

That is kind of the same complain on against Ben Charrington when the 2014 team failed. It was effectively the same championship team plagued with under performance. Of course, Ben C. doesn't have the lengthy track record of success that DD has.....but he does have a ring.

[mvp 78]

I heard no complaints about our pitching depth, only praise. Especially after getting Price.

 

To start the year, the rotation was Price, Porcello, ERod, Buchholz, Kelly. A lot people questioned the back end of Buch and Kelly. Posters wanted one more solid option to slot in there rather than worrying about question marks for 2/5th's of the rotation. The general consensus was that the depth seemed to be there if you needed to fix the 5th spot in the rotation (Owens, Johnson, Elias, Wright). However, having to fill the hole at 4 AND 5 seemed problematic.

[User Name]

....and they ended up needing to patch up 3, 4 and 5.

[mvp 78]

....and they ended up needing to patch up 3, 4 and 5.

 

Yes. The second ERod went down, it was beyond foolish to not grab another starter. I'm not going to keep rehashing my thoughts from this offseason, but yeah...

[kenmeister]

Now that a few days have gone by since the trade was announced, I'll tell you why I am disappointed, and it has nothing to do with the hope or promise of Drew Pomeranz. For years now, the Red Sox have failed to develop a starting pitcher they've drafted. I was hoping Espinoza would be the success the organization needs to prove they can do it.

[SoxnCycles]

Now that a few days have gone by since the trade was announced, I'll tell you why I am disappointed, and it has nothing to do with the hope or promise of Drew Pomeranz. For years now, the Red Sox have failed to develop a starting pitcher they've drafted. I was hoping Espinoza would be the success the organization needs to prove they can do it.

 

Yup.

[User Name]

Groome and Kopech sure helped ease the sting of losing Espinosa for me. Kopech is an airhead, but goddamn he has ace-level upside.

[Slasher9]

Didn't he have blister problems near the end of his time in Boston too?

 

I think it was always a concern but never caused him to leave a game. I think e kept his fingers submerged in Palmolive between starts.

[Slasher9]

Yes. The second ERod went down, it was beyond foolish to not grab another starter. I'm not going to keep rehashing my thoughts from this offseason, but yeah...

 

Great point. Although the initial reports made it seem it was not an injury that would cause him to miss too much time. But I would guess the front office knew it was more of an issue.

[Bellhorn04]

I blame it on the 2 Bastards.

[georom4]

The angst about trading a single A teenager because he might blossom into a star in about four years from now is funny. It's a team sport and you make GM moves to win the title, not to develop a home grown pitcher because its been a while. We have a record setting team that could challenge for a championship if the team solidifies the rotation. Just like adding Peavy did in 2013. We have a few young pitchers already that have as much of a chance as Espinosa of being stars. There will be free agents in the future and trades. DD's style is to create the best team he can, not solely cultivate potential stars. I applaud his moves and think he made an excellent deal to get a young pitcher who is under control for the next three seasons. We can now rid ourselves of fragile Clay once and for all. The moves DD has made in the past two weeks should be appreciated given the bumbling Ben era of mostly horrible trades and free agent signings.

[a700hitter]

For those saying that DD should have secured the depth of the rotation last winter, you might want to rethink that...We already had a rotation set with depth in AAA as well as picking up Elias, which gave us 8-9 options. Your using hindsight and forgetting that a guy like DD most certainly would explore EVERY option. I think his track record should show that.

Blaming him for the massive underperformance/injuries from our depth as well as rotation is unfair. Rich Hill wouldnt even come here because there was no guarantee of a MLB roster spot. Kelly and porcello looked great down the stretch. We still had a 23yo in ERod who everyone slotted in the #2 slot before his knee issues. Owens, Johnson, Elias, depth pickups like O'Sullivan and wright was looking at a swing man role.

I heard no complaints about our pitching depth, only praise. Especially after getting Price.

Several of us expected that DD would pick up another starter in the off season, and thought that not doing so was a mistake. That was foresight not hindsight, and we ended up being right.

[a700hitter]

I think it was always a concern but never caused him to leave a game. I think e kept his fingers submerged in Palmolive between starts.

I thought that Nolan Ryan popularized the use of pickle juice to prevent blisters.

[Hugh2]

The angst about trading a single A teenager because he might blossom into a star in about four years from now is funny. It's a team sport and you make GM moves to win the title, not to develop a home grown pitcher because its been a while. We have a record setting team that could challenge for a championship if the team solidifies the rotation. Just like adding Peavy did in 2013. We have a few young pitchers already that have as much of a chance as Espinosa of being stars. There will be free agents in the future and trades. DD's style is to create the best team he can, not solely cultivate potential stars. I applaud his moves and think he made an excellent deal to get a young pitcher who is under control for the next three seasons. We can now rid ourselves of fragile Clay once and for all. The moves DD has made in the past two weeks should be appreciated given the bumbling Ben era of mostly horrible trades and free agent signings.

 

Yes, and DD has a great track record at making trades too. Now if he can only go out and trade Mookie Betts for Matt Kemp!!!

[Hugh2]

Several of us expected that DD would pick up another starter in the off season, and thought that not doing so was a mistake. That was foresight not hindsight, and we ended up being right.

 

Teams also have budgets, we were over the cap and the market was thin. It's a lot easier to go out and get another starter if you have more space, which is something the team might have done if they didn't make such blunders recently as Panda, and Castillo. We all got opinions though and it's easy to take credit when we are right and vanish when we are wrong. But things easily could have gone the other way, making the F.O. looking like geniuses. Yes I suppose it was a mistake however, taking the side of "you can never have enough pitching" has never exactly failed anyone.

[a700hitter]

Teams also have budgets, we were over the cap and the market was thin. It's a lot easier to go out and get another starter if you have more space, which is something the team might have done if they didn't make such blunders recently as Panda, and Castillo. We all got opinions though and it's easy to take credit when we are right and vanish when we are wrong. But things easily could have gone the other way, making the F.O. looking like geniuses. Yes I suppose it was a mistake however, taking the side of "you can never have enough pitching" has never exactly failed anyone.

Budget constraints don't change the personnel needs. We were addressing the personnel needs. Many of us felt that they needed an additional starter, and we were right. If they didn't get a pitcher for budgetary reasons, it doesn't absolve the decision not to get a pitcher, nor does it change or eliminate the need. If they didn't have the room in the budget, that is also on them for wasting money on Castillo, Panda, and Craig. I realize that DD wasn't responsible for those mistakes, but he needed to find a way to work around it.