The Benintendi Thread

[Maxbialystock]

Beckett pitched well for the Dodgers down the stretch in 2012. He was fine for them while he was healthy.

 

Becket was nothing--8-14 in his 2 plus seasons in LA--because he couldn't stay healthy. Crawford stayed unhealthy in LA and never scored more than 62 runs in a season.

 

Those two pitchers were to me unimportant. Indeed, the 2013 pitching staff was just fine without their making a contribution.

[mvp 78]

Becket was nothing--8-14 in his 2 plus seasons in LA--because he couldn't stay healthy. Crawford stayed unhealthy in LA and never scored more than 62 runs in a season.

 

Those two pitchers were to me unimportant. Indeed, the 2013 pitching staff was just fine without their making a contribution.

 

2012 post trade: 7 GS, 131 ERA+

2013 injured: 8 GS, 69 ERA+

2014: 20 GS, 121 ERA+

 

When he was healthy, he was very good for the Dodgers. W/L are a garbage stat for pitchers.

[Maxbialystock]

Chris Young - Good Deal

Carson Smith - Good Deal

Sandy Leon Re-signed - Good Deal

Exercised Clay's Option - No Brainer

Traded Garin Checchini for cash - Good Deal

 

You can question Price over and over, that's fine. Kimbrel has been good when healthy. Pomeranz pitched fine last time out. I think the catching staff needs to learn how he should pitch.

 

Excuse me, what has Carson Smith done? Young was fine, primarily a platoon guy for LF, but he's been on the DL for along time. When he returns, what do you to bet Benintendi stays in LF? Clay Buchholz re-sign has yet to pay dividends. He is basically our long reliever and is paid $12M to Kimbrel's $9M. Garin Chechinni is unimportant.

 

Price has yet to deliver. Pomeranz might deliver, but we can't be sure, and he cost us a top prospect. I agree Kimbrel has worked out despite the control issues and the short time on the DL. When his knuckle curve is working along with the fast ball, he is very tough.

Edited August 17, 2016 by Maxbialystock

[mvp 78]

Smith has been on the DL. He'll be the boss when he comes back next year. I'd still do that deal today.

[Maxbialystock]

2012 post trade: 7 GS, 131 ERA+

2013 injured: 8 GS, 69 ERA+

2014: 20 GS, 121 ERA+

 

When he was healthy, he was very good for the Dodgers. W/L are a garbage stat for pitchers.

 

Good stats. My point was/is that Beckett won 8 games in 2+ seasons, which means he basically didn't figure in their success--primarily, I grant you, because of his health, but that still figures into the equation. It's like when we had Drew in RF, almost a bonafide five tool player, but he missed too many games all 5 years he was here.

[Maxbialystock]

Smith has been on the DL. He'll be the boss when he comes back next year. I'd still do that deal today.

 

Agree he had a very good year in Seattle last year. But his DL time will now go into next year, after which he needs to get back to where he was in 2015. Hard to label him a good deal before he has done anything for the Sox.

[Maxbialystock]

Price signed a 7 year deal.....if we get into the playoffs and he rebounds next year, all is forgotten......

 

I doubt the deal will be forgotten, but I think your point is a good one. Price came here to help get us into the playoffs. None of us are paying his salary. I leave it to moonslav to calculate whether his salary will have a long-term effect on future deals to help the team. But, bottom line, if the Sox make the playoffs and Price contributes, it's a decent deal.

[Bellhorn04]

2012 post trade: 7 GS, 131 ERA+

2013 injured: 8 GS, 69 ERA+

2014: 20 GS, 121 ERA+

 

When he was healthy, he was very good for the Dodgers. W/L are a garbage stat for pitchers.

 

But IP isn't.

[Maxbialystock]

But IP isn't.

 

eloquent

[mvp 78]

Beckett pitched well for the Dodgers down the stretch in 2012. He was fine for them while he was healthy.

 

See the original post? I didn't say he was healthy for a full year. I just said that when he was healthy, he was worth it to the Dodgers. Max stated that he was "nothing" which I still disagree with. When he pitched, he was generally worth it.

[Spudboy]

See the original post? I didn't say he was healthy for a full year. I just said that when he was healthy, he was worth it to the Dodgers. Max stated that he was "nothing" which I still disagree with. When he pitched, he was generally worth it.

 

Silly MVP. Your penis simply does not measure "up" with those of the BDC.

[mvp 78]

Silly MVP. Your penis simply does not measure "up" with those of the BDC.

 

I died.

[moonslav59]

Young was fine, primarily a platoon guy for LF, but he's been on the DL for along time. When he returns, what do you to bet Benintendi stays in LF?

 

Good question, Max.

 

Young has the 4th best OPS vs LHPs in all of MLB over the past two years combined.

 

YOUNG MUST START vs LHPS!

 

So, who sits?

 

Papi might need some rest vs LHPs. Beni, Betts and JBJ could sit vs some lefties.

 

Let's say we face 10 LHPs once Young returns, we could sit these guys...

 

Papi 3-4 games

Beni 3-4 games

JBJ 1-2 games

Betts 1-2 games

 

We'd have a hell of a PH'er on the bench those games.

[Maxbialystock]

Young was fine, primarily a platoon guy for LF, but he's been on the DL for along time. When he returns, what do you to bet Benintendi stays in LF?

 

Good question, Max.

 

Young has the 4th best OPS vs LHPs in all of MLB over the past two years combined.

 

YOUNG MUST START vs LHPS!

 

So, who sits?

 

Papi might need some rest vs LHPs. Beni, Betts and JBJ could sit vs some lefties.

 

Let's say we face 10 LHPs once Young returns, we could sit these guys...

 

Papi 3-4 games

Beni 3-4 games

JBJ 1-2 games

Betts 1-2 games

 

We'd have a hell of a PH'er on the bench those games.

 

I am duly chastened.

[jacksonianmarch]

The main problem with Young is that Farrell plays him too much vs righties

[sk7326]

The main problem with Young is that Farrell plays him too much vs righties

 

True in a sense - but I actually agreed with Farrell's logic here. If the team is going to go through a long stretch without seeing a lefty starter (which it did early) you can't just cryogenically freeze Chris Young until then - he needed some reps even if it was suboptimal in a numbers sense. Just can't be silly about it.

[Slasher9]

The main problem with Young is that Farrell plays him too much vs righties

 

he wont have to now that we have the player that is the subject of this thread.....

[Bellhorn04]

True in a sense - but I actually agreed with Farrell's logic here. If the team is going to go through a long stretch without seeing a lefty starter (which it did early) you can't just cryogenically freeze Chris Young until then - he needed some reps even if it was suboptimal in a numbers sense. Just can't be silly about it.

 

Nailed as usual.

[moonslav59]

True in a sense - but I actually agreed with Farrell's logic here. If the team is going to go through a long stretch without seeing a lefty starter (which it did early) you can't just cryogenically freeze Chris Young until then - he needed some reps even if it was suboptimal in a numbers sense. Just can't be silly about it.

 

Young has actually done better vs RHPs (.734 OPS) than in the past, but I agree. 12 starts out of 33 vs RHPs is about 10 more than it should be IN THEORY, but look below...

 

Interesting to note:

 

When Young starts vs a LHP: .877 OPS

 

When Young starts vs a RHP: .830 OPS

 

Other choices when they start vs a RHP:

Beni .911

Swihart: .720

Holt: .714

Brentz: .438

 

It's hard to criticize Farrell on this one.

 

Overall vs RHPs:

.813 Beni

.770 Holt

.734 Young

.629 Swihart

.579 Brentz

Edited August 18, 2016 by moonslav59

[Station 13]

Watching him for a week now, he can flat out hit.

[Nick]

Chris Young can play for all 3 OF's and DH.

[a700hitter]

Chris Young can play for all 3 OF's and DH.

He is not going to get ABs from Betts, Bradley or Ortiz. He will only take ABs from Benintendi, andI am not sure that he give us anything additional over Benintendi that would warrant playing him 2-3 times a week.

[Station 13]

Chris Young can play for all 3 OF's and DH.

 

Where is Young BTW? I heard he went on AAA games last week, nothing came off it. Are they waiting for roster expansion?

[Nick]

It's reasonable for each OF to play say 152 games. That's 30 games for Young. Next year if we don't sign a big bat, then he can DH also. I don't care how young they are, they need mental break from time to time.

[southpaw777]

Young was fine, primarily a platoon guy for LF, but he's been on the DL for along time. When he returns, what do you to bet Benintendi stays in LF?

 

Good question, Max.

 

Young has the 4th best OPS vs LHPs in all of MLB over the past two years combined.

 

YOUNG MUST START vs LHPS!

 

So, who sits?

 

Papi might need some rest vs LHPs. Beni, Betts and JBJ could sit vs some lefties.

 

Let's say we face 10 LHPs once Young returns, we could sit these guys...

 

Papi 3-4 games

Beni 3-4 games

JBJ 1-2 games

Betts 1-2 games

 

We'd have a hell of a PH'er on the bench those games.

 

Your love for platoons is out of hand:p:cool:

Benni should be the FT Lfer...maybe Young can spell them ONCE IN A WHILE, but there should be no platoons in the OF moving forward now that we have the killer B's out there.

Young is signed for one more year. He can help PH and PR or maybe give someone a rest. Thats it.

Edited August 20, 2016 by southpaw777

[Dojji]

I think people are overestimating Beni just a bit. I predict a sophomore slump. He's not yet fully established, that might not happen for another 2-3 years. Or it might happen next week, baseball's a funny sport. He's still all exciting potential for now though, and I expect he'll have a few "learning experiences" between now and his first All Star Game.

[Kimmi]

I think people are overestimating Beni just a bit. I predict a sophomore slump. He's not yet fully established, that might not happen for another 2-3 years. Or it might happen next week, baseball's a funny sport. He's still all exciting potential for now though, and I expect he'll have a few "learning experiences" between now and his first All Star Game.

 

Voice of reason. I tend to get caught up in the hype sometimes too, but anointing him a sure bet is a bit premature. He looks good, but he hasn't been without his inexperienced moments.

 

I'm not betting against him. Just reign the enthusiasm in a little bit.

[Emp9]

I feel that Beni is holding his own. I'm fully aware he's a rookie.

[moonslav59]

Chris Young can play for all 3 OF's and DH.

 

Agreed, but once healthy and in stride, he has to be in the line-up every time a lefty starts, and with our OF looking pretty darn good/great, sitting an OF'er so Young can play should not happen very often. That leaves DH as his only available spot to start vs LHPs (more next year than this year, of course, since Papi is still here).

 

[moonslav59]

True in a sense - but I actually agreed with Farrell's logic here. If the team is going to go through a long stretch without seeing a lefty starter (which it did early) you can't just cryogenically freeze Chris Young until then - he needed some reps even if it was suboptimal in a numbers sense. Just can't be silly about it.

 

Chris Young has played a lot of games vs RH'd starts, so it's more than just keeping him from cryogenically being frozen....

 

A brief history...

 

We signed Cody Ross in 2012 to play primarily against LHPs, but with injuries and his doing okay (.729) vs RHPs that year, he started 84 games vs RH's starters and 42 vs LH'd starters.

 

We signed Jonny Gomes for 2013-2014 to take Cody's original role as a platoon vs LHPs. He ended up wrestling the RH'd job away from Nava in the post season, before being traded mid-season 2014 during the great red purge. Again, things did not work out as planned. Gomes ended up starting vs a RH'd starter 22 times, which I suppose could be viewed as keeping him fresh, but I remember most were due to injuries or slumps by others. He started only 54 games vs RHPs, which seems low, but he was the FT'er by the World Series. His splits were not as wide as expected: .795 vs LHPs and .745 vs RHPs- both acceptable. However, his disparity in games started by a LHP vs a RHPs were stark: .889 vs .697.

 

In 2014, Gomes started just 16 games vs RHPs (.639 in those games) and 37 vs LHPs (.711 in those games) before being traded. His overall splits were .831/.494- a very significant differential.

 

Chris Young was signed for two years to provide a strong bat vs LHPs. He had started 47 games vs LHPs for the Yanks last year (.953 in those games) and 30 vs RHPs (.567). His overall splits were .972/.585- clearly a platoon player if there ever was one.

 

With Castillo flopping and Holt getting hurt and struggling, Young ended up starting more games vs RHPs than probably planned, then he got hurt himself. His numbers this year:

21 GS'd vs RHPs (.830 OPS in those games)

12 GS'd vs LHPs (.877 OPS in those games)

Splits:

vs RHPs: .734 (not bad)

vs LHPs: 1.042 (super great)

 

When Young returns, I feel he needs to start vs ONLY and EVERY LH'd starter. He's been great vs lefties for many years. His career splits are: .884/.705.