The Benintendi Thread

[southpaw777]

To me, more than Wright, yes, but some seemed to think Wright and all knuckle ballers suck..

 

No, its just that they cant be relied on because the nature of the pitch...now with Wright it may be a bit different since he cam throw a FB in the 80s along with a nice curve to compliment the KB.

But overall they are not consistent year to year, game to game or even pitch to pitch.

How do you fully rely on a pitch that even the pitcher doesnt know where its going when it leavs his hand? Wright is having a great year, but to expect that every year from him is not realistic.

[Kimmi]

it may be the biggest surprise of the season for the Red Sox.

 

Yup, and to think that we got him for peanuts.

[Kimmi]

On the topic of Benintendi, I was not supportive of calling him up before September unless our situation became dire. So far, calling him up looks like the right move. If he continues playing well, good call by the FO.

[Nick]

On the topic of Benintendi, I was not supportive of calling him up before September unless our situation became dire. So far, calling him up looks like the right move. If he continues playing well, good call by the FO.

 

As I just posted in another thread, I don't think he should be called up unless the situation becomes dire. We are not at that point.

 

He may very well be able to handle it, but there are valid reasons for not rushing him, all of which have been posted elsewhere. #4 post on the topic by Kimmi

 

Here's someone who is a stand up person.......sorry I'm having a Pat moment from Saturday Night Live

Edited August 14, 2016 by Nick

[a700hitter]

Yup, and to think that we got him for peanuts.

Money is not the first or even the second thing that comes to mind for me as I have watched Leon transform his offensive game.

[Bellhorn04]

Sandy Cobb.

[Nick]

Money is not the first or even the second thing that comes to mind for me as I have watched Leon transform his offensive game.

 

I loved watching the bottom of our lineup last night.....starts with Sandy and ends with Benintendi.....Then Pedey is there to drive them in. No offense but watching Hanigan bat really depresses me.

[Kimmi]

As I just posted in another thread, I don't think he should be called up unless the situation becomes dire. We are not at that point.

 

He may very well be able to handle it, but there are valid reasons for not rushing him, all of which have been posted elsewhere. #4 post on the topic by Kimmi

 

Here's someone who is a stand up person.......sorry I'm having a Pat moment from Saturday Night Live

 

Thank you. I can admit when I'm wrong, which unfortunately for me, is far too often. LOL

[Kimmi]

Money is not the first or even the second thing that comes to mind for me as I have watched Leon transform his offensive game.

 

Great job Ben?

[Bellhorn04]

Great job Ben?

 

Some of Ben's best moves were for nothing: Wright, E-Rod, Leon. It was the expensive moves that did him in.

[a700hitter]

Great job Ben?

LOL!! You can't help yourself when it comes to waving the Ben pom poms.

[Behindenemylines]

I loved watching the bottom of our lineup last night.....starts with Sandy and ends with Benintendi.....Then Pedey is there to drive them in. No offense but watching Hanigan bat really depresses me.

 

It is at the point where Leon has proved that he is a threat now with the bat. He is the starter moving forward until proven otherwise. As far as Benintendi, he has not looked over matched. As long as he is the best option in LF he will get the playing time. Rotating Holt around to keep everyone fresh is what he is best at. Playing 3 or 4 times a week and he produces. Hopefully, the Sox finally learned their lesson with him.

[moonslav59]

No, its just that they cant be relied on because the nature of the pitch...now with Wright it may be a bit different since he cam throw a FB in the 80s along with a nice curve to compliment the KB.

But overall they are not consistent year to year, game to game or even pitch to pitch.

How do you fully rely on a pitch that even the pitcher doesnt know where its going when it leavs his hand? Wright is having a great year, but to expect that every year from him is not realistic.

 

I totally disagree.

 

There are plenty of examples of knuckleball pitchers being just as, if not more, consistent than average fastball, curveball, slider or mix-it up pitchers.

 

All pitchers have tough stretches and "lose it" from time to time.

 

The unpredictability of a knuckleball is not always a negative aspect. When you have a pitch that even a catcher has difficulty catching, you can imagine how hard it might be to hit it with the sweet spot of a bat a tiny fraction of the size of a glove.

 

Wake and Wright haven't walked more than their fair share of batters, so maybe theirc ontrol is not as bad asy ou think it is.

 

[southpaw777]

Pedey seems to be doing great in the leadoff spot, but if for some reason something happens i think Benni would make an ideal leadoff hitter. Not right now, but just someone to think about in the future...makes great contact, solid OBP, has speed and is a smart base runner...

[moonslav59]

Pedey seems to be doing great in the leadoff spot, but if for some reason something happens i think Benni would make an ideal leadoff hitter. Not right now, but just someone to think about in the future...makes great contact, solid OBP, has speed and is a smart base runner...

 

Until Bogey started slumping, I thought he'd be better 1st with Pedey 2nd- Betts third, but Pedey is on fire now.

 

Beni could create the next line-up issue.

 

I hope it doesn't take as long as it did to move JBJ out of the 9 slot.

 

Could we eventually see this?

 

1) Beni

2) Bogey

3) Betts

4) Ortiz

5) JBJ

6) Pedey

7) HanRam

8) Shaw

9) Leon

 

or by next year...

 

1) Beni

2) Bogey

3) Betts

4) JBJ

(start a second line-up with a line-up here)

5) Moncada (3B)

6) Pedey

7) Shaw/Hanram (1B)

8) Pablo/Young/HanRam (DH)

9) Leon

 

 

[southpaw777]

Until Bogey started slumping, I thought he'd be better 1st with Pedey 2nd- Betts third, but Pedey is on fire now.

 

Beni could create the next line-up issue.

 

I hope it doesn't take as long as it did to move JBJ out of the 9 slot.

 

Could we eventually see this?

 

1) Beni

2) Bogey

3) Betts

4) Ortiz

5) JBJ

6) Pedey

7) HanRam

8) Shaw

9) Leon

 

or by next year...

 

1) Beni

2) Bogey

3) Betts

4) JBJ

(start a second line-up with a line-up here)

5) Moncada (3B)

6) Pedey

7) Shaw/Hanram (1B)

8) Pablo/Young/HanRam (DH)

9) Leon

 

 

 

Maybe Hanley between 3-5 and start Moncada out lower, but yeah, that looks about right.

[moonslav59]

Maybe Hanley between 3-5 and start Moncada out lower, but yeah, that looks about right.

 

Maybe vs LHPs, but I can't see hanRam batting above 7th, if at all, vs RHPs. He's really been struggling there for aa long time.

Vs RHPs vs LHPs

.......Beni......

......Bogey....

......Betts....

JBJ...... HanRam

Mon......Young

......Pedey....

Shaw....JBJ

Pablo/H.R.....Mon

...... Leon........

[Nick]

Maybe vs LHPs, but I can't see hanRam batting above 7th, if at all, vs RHPs. He's really been struggling there for aa long time.

Vs RHPs vs LHPs

.......Beni......

......Bogey....

......Betts....

JBJ...... HanRam

Mon......Young

......Pedey....

Shaw....JBJ

Pablo/H.R.....Mon

...... Leon........

 

Are you freaking nuts? You are going to bat our .400 hitter 9th again next year? jk....I wanted to say that...

[moonslav59]

Are you freaking nuts? You are going to bat our .400 hitter 9th again next year? jk....I wanted to say that...

 

He might hit .450!

 

[Oscars]

Bradley is hitting .179 in his last 15 games and striking out 33% of the time, so is a candidate to drop down the order

[moonslav59]

Bradley is hitting .179 in his last 15 games and striking out 33% of the time, so is a candidate to drop down the order

 

Not yet. He just got a day off and cranked an HR the first day back.

 

He deserves a couple more weeks before thinking about that. Leon is looking like he's ready for a move up though.

[southpaw777]

Maybe vs LHPs, but I can't see hanRam batting above 7th, if at all, vs RHPs. He's really been struggling there for aa long time.

Vs RHPs vs LHPs

.......Beni......

......Bogey....

......Betts....

JBJ...... HanRam

Mon......Young

......Pedey....

Shaw....JBJ

Pablo/H.R.....Mon

...... Leon........

 

Seriously? Hanley is a middle of the order bat. I dont care if hes in the low 700OPS vs RHP. Your not going to flip flop the lineup like that constantly... nowhere below 5 and probably not below 4 next year.

Hes a potential 30HR bat that has had solid all around numbers his whole career, minus his injured year last year.

Hes not a bottom of the order bat.

[moonslav59]

Seriously? Hanley is a middle of the order bat. I dont care if hes in the low 700OPS vs RHP. Your not going to flip flop the lineup like that constantly... nowhere below 5 and probably not below 4 next year.

Hes a potential 30HR bat that has had solid all around numbers his whole career, minus his injured year last year.

Hes not a bottom of the order bat.

 

Hanley is in decline. Take away his two big games and he's looking pretty bad when compared to most 1Bmen.

 

He's much, much, much worse vs RHPs.

 

Batting him 4th or 5th vs RHPs is losing baseball. Tell me all you want about bruising player's egos and how players yearn for consistency in their line-up slot, but the fact is HanRam is close to stink, stank, stunk vs righties. At least you have to move him from 4th vs LHPs down to 5th or 6th vs RHPs, but I think he belons 7th, 8th or on the bench, depending on how Moncada looks.

 

Young has to play vs LHPs. He's got the 4th best OPS vs LHPs over the past two years combined. He's not taking Benintendi's place, so he's the DH vs lefties. That leaves 3B and 1B vs LHPs for HanRam, Shaw, Moncada ,ablo & Hernandez. I'll go with HanRam as the best, so he plays 1B, and Shaw should keep/win the 3B job over Sandy, but Moncada is the wildcard at 3B vs LHPs. Versus RHPs, it's more complicated, but at least there's 3 slots for Shaw, HanRam, Moncada, and Pablo. If it's up to me, if Pablo is not in shape, hanRam plays. If Pablo looks good, all bets are off on HR vs RHPs. Moncada nd Shaw are clearly better vs righties.

[Oscars]

A nice 2 hit game today with a bomb

[moonslav59]

I know this is the Beni thread, but some of the same factors are involved in the Moncada decision.

 

This from soxprospects.com

 

--The most prominent news of the week on the farm came in Portland, when Yoan Moncada (pictured, right) made his debut at third base. Many have speculated that Moncada could follow Andrew Benintendi to the majors before 2016 ends, and third base is where it would happen.

--For what it's worth, Travis Shaw has struggled lately at the plate, and Aaron Hill has just a .589 OPS with Boston so far.

--Another possibility is that Moncada could go to the Arizona Fall League to get more experience playing third, according to Rob Bradford of WEEI.com.

 

From my own research:

 

Moncada's OPS vs...

 

Yr/level RHP/LHP

16 AA .992/.660

16 A+ .971/.797

15 A .753/.951

 

Is there reason for concern here?

 

Is the concern big enough to prevent his promotion?

 

 

 

[Nick]

Didn't you say that sample size is very small vs LHP? You bring him up in Sept to help the ball club win. Look and see should be secondary. That said, to me he sure looks like he can add a spark. He'll probably hit better than Shaw. Defensively at 3B? That would be a concern. Only the coaches know at this point.

[moonslav59]

Didn't you say that sample size is very small vs LHP? You bring him up in Sept to help the ball club win. Look and see should be secondary. That said, to me he sure looks like he can add a spark. He'll probably hit better than Shaw. Defensively at 3B? That would be a concern. Only the coaches know at this point.

 

I think Moncada comes up to PR and PH, and maybe gets a little time at DH or 2B, but I doubt he plays 3B until next year.

 

Yes, the sample sizes vs LHPs are tiny.

[sk7326]

Good thing here is that the Red Sox can wait to make the decision on Moncada - they can easily manipulate the roster to keep him playoff eligible without being on the 40-man at the end of the month.

 

My guess - with no insight of course - is that Benintendi came up first because his craft/approach might be more advanced than Moncada. Anybody who saw the homerun at the futures game knows the physical talent with Moncada.

[moonslav59]

Good thing here is that the Red Sox can wait to make the decision on Moncada - they can easily manipulate the roster to keep him playoff eligible without being on the 40-man at the end of the month.

 

My guess - with no insight of course - is that Benintendi came up first because his craft/approach might be more advanced than Moncada. Anybody who saw the homerun at the futures game knows the physical talent with Moncada.

 

Beni was also ready defensively at the position of need (LF).

[mvp 78]

Beni was also ready defensively at the position of need (LF).

 

No he wasn't. He's still a work in progress there.