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Mookie Betts is the first leadoff hitter in Red Sock history to hit three homers in a single game. #Mookieblast

[devildavid]

Talk about "great" timing! Ha! I revive this thread and Mookie goes off! No one is laughing more at me than I am myself! Amazing performance by Mookie! Home runs to all three parts of the outfield, and a spectacular catch! The kid has talent to burn! I love it! He sure let me have it! LOL!

[Dojji]

I also love the fact that he did it to carry the team over our strongest divisional rival at the moment and expand our lead. Nice timing there, Mookie.

[Slasher9]

wait...is there a member that wants to trade pedroia?

for who?

who plays 2b? betts back to his "natural" position? who plays RF?

[illinoisredsox]

wait...is there a member that wants to trade pedroia?

for who?

who plays 2b? betts back to his "natural" position? who plays RF?

 

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[Dojji]

I want to trade Pedroia too. I'm really concerned about his body's ability to sustain him as he ages. He throws himself around the diamond pretty hard and I appreciate that, but it's clearly taken a toll on his durability. I still am not convniced the injury bug won't bite him this year too.

 

I think it's unrealistic to move Betts back to 2B at this point, with so many years of not playing the position at all. He was a good strong big league 2B, and would have had a star studded career at the position, but I honestly think it would be a tall order to bring a guy back to that level after 2+ years of complete inactivity at the position. Even Shaw had some practice over time at third base, and clearly practiced at the position to keep sharp, I don't think Betts has played a second of 2B since he was moved to the outfield. My answer to replace Pedey at 2B would be Holt if he's healthy, Hernandez if he isn't.

[sk7326]

Pedroia at his current price is a steal ... and given the other variables, more valuable to Boston than anybody else.

[Bellhorn04]

Pedroia at his current price is a steal ... and given the other variables, more valuable to Boston than anybody else.

 

Now that's telling it like it is.

[Slasher9]

pedroia is a ++ defender and you want to replace him at a crucial up the middle position with Holt who by all accounts is a negative defender?

[bosoxmal]

I thought this thread was about Mookie Betts. The Sox are crazy if they break up the Bradley/Betts combo!

[S5Dewey]

I want to trade Pedroia too. I'm really concerned about his body's ability to sustain him as he ages. He throws himself around the diamond pretty hard and I appreciate that, but it's clearly taken a toll on his durability. I still am not convniced the injury bug won't bite him this year too.

 

I think it's unrealistic to move Betts back to 2B at this point, with so many years of not playing the position at all. He was a good strong big league 2B, and would have had a star studded career at the position, but I honestly think it would be a tall order to bring a guy back to that level after 2+ years of complete inactivity at the position. Even Shaw had some practice over time at third base, and clearly practiced at the position to keep sharp, I don't think Betts has played a second of 2B since he was moved to the outfield. My answer to replace Pedey at 2B would be Holt if he's healthy, Hernandez if he isn't.

 

This post defines exactly why no player should ever Ever EVER sign a "team friendly contract". Most players do it so they can remain with the team for the duration of their career, or at least the duration of their contract, thinking their loyalty will be rewarded by their not being traded. That's not true. As far as the FO and the fan are concerned all the players are is disposable meat. In the end all signing a team friendly contract does is make them even more expendable.

[Slasher9]

This post defines exactly why no player should ever Ever EVER sign a "team friendly contract". Most players do it so they can remain with the team for the duration of their career, or at least the duration of their contract, thinking their loyalty will be rewarded by their not being traded. That's not true. As far as the FO and the fan are concerned all the players are is disposable meat. In the end all signing a team friendly contract does is make them even more expendable.

 

no good deed....

btw - pedroia is a 10/5 guy so he cant be traded without his approval. is that correct?

btw2 - he is currently a 2.5 wAR player for 2016

btw3 - he only had 2 seasons were he missed significant portion of the season due to injury (2015 - 93 games played & 2010 - 75 games played). WHERE AND WHEN DID DUSTIN PEDROIA BECOME A PLAYER THAT IS INJURED ALL THE TIME AND HURTS THE TEAM?????

Edited June 1, 2016 by Slasher9

[illinoisredsox]

no good deed....

btw - pedroia is a 10/5 guy so he cant be traded without his approval. is that correct?

btw2 - he is currently a 2.5 wAR player for 2016

 

Not quite. He came up in August 2006 and per Baseball Reference had accumulated 9 years, 41 days (9.041 years) of service time prior to the start of this season. He's added 58 days this year through today, putting him at 9.099 years. A season is considered 180 days, so come August 21 or so, he will reach the 10-5 mark.

 

That being said, given the way the Sox are going, he's not going anywhere this season.

[mvp 78]

no good deed....

btw - pedroia is a 10/5 guy so he cant be traded without his approval. is that correct?

btw2 - he is currently a 2.5 wAR player for 2016

btw3 - he only had 2 seasons were he missed significant portion of the season due to injury (2015 - 93 games played & 2010 - 75 games played). WHERE AND WHEN DID DUSTIN PEDROIA BECOME A PLAYER THAT IS INJURED ALL THE TIME AND HURTS THE TEAM?????

 

Just because he doesn't miss extended periods of time, doesn't mean his production falters for a few months after struggling with an injury due to his grit. This happens almost every year where he gets dinged up and announcers make excuses for him at the end of the season.

[Maxbialystock]

I want to trade Pedroia too. I'm really concerned about his body's ability to sustain him as he ages. He throws himself around the diamond pretty hard and I appreciate that, but it's clearly taken a toll on his durability. I still am not convniced the injury bug won't bite him this year too.

 

I think it's unrealistic to move Betts back to 2B at this point, with so many years of not playing the position at all. He was a good strong big league 2B, and would have had a star studded career at the position, but I honestly think it would be a tall order to bring a guy back to that level after 2+ years of complete inactivity at the position. Even Shaw had some practice over time at third base, and clearly practiced at the position to keep sharp, I don't think Betts has played a second of 2B since he was moved to the outfield. My answer to replace Pedey at 2B would be Holt if he's healthy, Hernandez if he isn't.

 

I'm sorry, but this is nuts and probably the result of too much fantasy baseball where it's all about making trades.

 

Read my lips: the Sox are the best team in the AL right now primarily because of the great play, both hitting and defense, of guys like Pedroia, who is the team examplar for playing the game the way it is supposed to be played. And you want to trade him away and bring in Brock Holt, who is half the player Pedroia is and who, oh, by the way, got concussed sliding into 2B? Give me a break.

 

Pedroia could indeed get injured. But until then the only smart move is to keep him in the lineup and let Brock Holt ride the pine or play LF or maybe even get traded.

[Dojji]

Just because he doesn't miss extended periods of time, doesn't mean his production falters for a few months after struggling with an injury due to his grit. This happens almost every year where he gets dinged up and announcers make excuses for him at the end of the season.

 

Yep. So far so strong this year, but the last 4 years have an eerily similar pattern, it was even a problem in 13.... he doesn't miss a lot of time (or at least not until the last couple years) because of it but how many times does Pedroia seem to be playing through some kind of injury?

 

A fully healthy season from Pedroia this year would do a lot to ease my concerns. And of course this is just idle conversation while the team as a whole is doing so well.

[sk7326]

Just because he doesn't miss extended periods of time, doesn't mean his production falters for a few months after struggling with an injury due to his grit. This happens almost every year where he gets dinged up and announcers make excuses for him at the end of the season.

 

Last year certainly. Played 135 games or more the 4 years prior to that each season. 2014 was a down offensive year, but still remained one of the most productive 2B in the league. I mean last year in 93 game he was still a Top 10 second baseman. The durability concerns me - but I am not sure it is a thing.

[sk7326]

Yep. So far so strong this year, but the last 4 years have an eerily similar pattern, it was even a problem in 13.... he doesn't miss a lot of time (or at least not until the last couple years) because of it but how many times does Pedroia seem to be playing through some kind of injury?

 

A fully healthy season from Pedroia this year would do a lot to ease my concerns. And of course this is just idle conversation while the team as a whole is doing so well.

 

The seasons he has been playing through nagging pains have been exceptionally productive ones.

[Emp9]

Really, the move is a no-brainer. Just like picking up the option on Buchholz in the offseason.

 

Right. Continue to ignore the caveats. Well played sir.

[southpaw777]

Seriously, were looking at two 20m+deals at around 10 years for these two (betts/bogey)

And it would be well worth it IMHO.

[Emp9]

Talk about "great" timing! Ha! I revive this thread and Mookie goes off! No one is laughing more at me than I am myself! Amazing performance by Mookie! Home runs to all three parts of the outfield, and a spectacular catch! The kid has talent to burn! I love it! He sure let me have it! LOL!

 

He starting to hit outside pitches with more power now. One can imagine he starts to walk more because of this, which will definitely help his OBP. Teams shy away from pitching him inside, now he's taking them yard on pitches outside.... We've seen this movie before, it's called 'Take Your Base'.

[Emp9]

Seriously, were looking at two 20m+deals at around 10 years for these two (betts/bogey)

And it would be well worth it IMHO.

 

I'm hoping they both find the security of a long term multi-million dollar contract extention appealing. Is there a chance?

[southpaw777]

We could realistically sign Bogey this offseason and Mookie next for about the same amout. Both are cornerstone pieces on a team. IMHO DD will be looking to rid himself of some bad deals and players that are clearly not performing over the next year or two to make this happen..they need to do this to ensure this team has a solid future. Money is obviously not an issue.

[Bellhorn04]

We could realistically sign Bogey this offseason and Mookie next for about the same amout. Both are cornerstone pieces on a team. IMHO DD will be looking to rid himself of some bad deals and players that are clearly not performing over the next year or two to make this happen..they need to do this to ensure this team has a solid future. Money is obviously not an issue.

 

You can't really say money isn't an issue. If that were the case they would have signed another starting pitcher this offseason. Those bad contracts do affect what the team can do.

[southpaw777]

You can't really say money isn't an issue. If that were the case they would have signed another starting pitcher this offseason. Those bad contracts do affect what the team can do.

 

I meant it in a sense that they have a large payroll and have shown a willingness to go over for a year or two if need be. I didnt mean it like it was a complete non issue. Of course they cant go to 250- 300m...and they also have to make moves to allow it to happen...i get all that.

They are not the Rays is my point

Edited June 2, 2016 by southpaw777

[mvp 78]

You can't really say money isn't an issue. If that were the case they would have signed another starting pitcher this offseason. Those bad contracts do affect what the team can do.

 

When it's not your money, you want to spend it all.

[Emp9]

You can't really say money isn't an issue. If that were the case they would have signed another starting pitcher this offseason. Those bad contracts do affect what the team can do.

 

Well, they did sign Price for $31M a year and traded for Kimbrel already make close to FA $, despite the Sandoval, HannRam, and Porcello contracts. I think our budget right now is at it's smoke point temp. With Papi & Buch (most likely) off the books next season, and whatever SP they trade for this season HAS TO BE COST CONTROLLED, there should be room for some contract extensions to lock up somebody from Betts, XB, or JBJ. Probably not all. Maybe even just 1 of the 3 for now. The sooner they try the more likely it will happen and the more reasonable the price tag will be ... one would think.

[Slasher9]

Just because he doesn't miss extended periods of time, doesn't mean his production falters for a few months after struggling with an injury due to his grit. This happens almost every year where he gets dinged up and announcers make excuses for him at the end of the season.

 

here's his career splits...let me know which months are the ones that he "falters" in:

April: .288 / .784

May: .293 / .791

June: .303 / .820

July: .306 / .818

August: .316 / .851

Sept: .296 / .815

[Slasher9]

We could realistically sign Bogey this offseason and Mookie next for about the same amout. Both are cornerstone pieces on a team. IMHO DD will be looking to rid himself of some bad deals and players that are clearly not performing over the next year or two to make this happen..they need to do this to ensure this team has a solid future. Money is obviously not an issue.

 

count me as "on board" with locking these 2 (as well as JBj) up for the next decade.

[S5Dewey]

count me as "on board" with locking these 2 (as well as JBj) up for the next decade.

 

Yes. These are they guys you build a team around. Is it going to be expensive? Yes. But with salaries being what they are nowadays everything is expensive. All three of these guys are "franchise-type" players that every team wishes they had. The Sox simply cannot let them get away without making every best effort to sign them, and the sooner the better.