Pablo Sandoval

[redsoxdirtdog]

I have a question that has occurred to me previously, which I have never actually asked before: What is the reasoning behind harping on Sandoval's weight? I mean, yeah, the only reason the IAU declassified Pluto as a planet was so they could elevate Sandoval, but what is the point of consistently pressing the suggestion that he lose weight? He was hitting terribly last season. Does anyone think that being slimmer will suddenly turn him into a force at the plate? Hitting is mostly about hand-eye coordination and strength, and as we all know, there have been plenty of fat baseball players who were excellent hitters. Prince Fielder springs to mind. Hell, Big Papi is much closer to Sandoval's physique than he is to Brock Holt's.

 

 

 

I don't buy th a t Youk. It's not just hand - eye. It's balance, bat speed, moving your hips through the ball, squaring the shoulders up, powering off that back leg. It's very easy to see that his weight is having a MAJOR IMPACT on his body at 3rd. A 3rd baseman, & i've played a decent amount, but not for a long.... time, CAN'T withstand the stress that HIS tonage puts on the body at that position. How the hell do we think he injured that shoulder. Sleeping on it wrong? ??? Well, ok. Maybe? His weight IS higher than it was in SF. He is older. This is why he can't handle hitting along with the fielding. Sure. He still has a FEW cat like moves in him at this weight & age, but they quickly take a toll anymore.

 

His weight IS THE ISSUE! NO QUESTION ABOUT IT!

 

Plus.... it's just fun to call him fat. kidding

[Youk Of The Nation]

I don't buy th a t Youk. It's not just hand - eye. It's balance, bat speed, moving your hips through the ball, squaring the shoulders up, powering off that back leg. It's very easy to see that his weight is having a MAJOR IMPACT on his body at 3rd. A 3rd baseman, & i've played a decent amount, but not for a long.... time, CAN'T withstand the stress that HIS tonage puts on the body at that position. How the hell do we think he injured that shoulder. Sleeping on it wrong? ??? Well, ok. Maybe? His weight IS higher than it was in SF. He is older. This is why he can't handle hitting along with the fielding. Sure. He still has a FEW cat like moves in him at this weight & age, but they quickly take a toll anymore.

 

His weight IS THE ISSUE! NO QUESTION ABOUT IT!

 

Plus.... it's just fun to call him fat. kidding

 

I don't deny that it is probably having an effect on his defense. A man his size has all the range of a fencepost. But clearly weight is not a thing that holds back hitters, because as I said, there have been plenty of fat hitters in the past. For that matter, there have been a lot of fat pitchers, so clearly the pitching motions (which, like hitting, involve a lot of rotation and movement while standing in one place) doesn't necessarily suffer if a guy is fat.

 

I'm just wondering why everyone focuses on it, and wondering if anyone thinks he would be a better hitter, or a better acquisition for the Red Sox, if he loses the weight.

[redsoxdirtdog]

I don't deny that it is probably having an effect on his defense. A man his size has all the range of a fencepost. But clearly weight is not a thing that holds back hitters, because as I said, there have been plenty of fat hitters in the past. For that matter, there have been a lot of fat pitchers, so clearly the pitching motions (which, like hitting, involve a lot of rotation and movement while standing in one place) doesn't necessarily suffer if a guy is fat.

 

I'm just wondering why everyone focuses on it, and wondering if anyone thinks he would be a better hitter, or a better acquisition for the Red Sox, if he loses the weight.

 

 

I guess I wasn't clear. It's the combo at that position. 3rd is called the hot box for a reason. It is jarring!

 

p.s. one other factor???? I know it pizzes some off, but I honestly think the guy is stoned half the time. I think it's a factor. ??

As far as I know, the mlb does not routinely test for this? He's burnt, & doesn't seem to give a rip.

[redsoxdirtdog]

It's almost hard to get mad at the guy?

 

He's clearly so out of it, flat out stupid, perennially high as a kite, selfish, self absorbed, dim-witted, or more than likely..... ALL OF THE ABOVE, that it's hard to get really pizzed at the guy.

 

NAHHHHHH! F☆

 

Yeh! He's a major league DIQUE!

 

So yeh. I guess it is OK to get pizzed at him. Fire away.

 

 

 

Since this is more representative of my feelings of the extra-curricular factors, i'll quote myself. Brilliant points!

[redsoxdirtdog]

If a guy's out fishing, knock yourself out. Spark that bad boy up.

 

If you're playing 3rd for my RS, BEING PAID 19M/ yr., sucking mlb dique, & the only way you find your arss at the plate is by busting belts & seams????

 

No! His coming back fatter after last year's epic disaster was a major D MOVE, as my son would say. I'd say he flipped his team, management, the ownership, new GM, his buddy manager, & ALL OF RS NATION the bird, but i'm not sure he's bright enough to think that through, or straight enough to have it even cross his radar.

 

Then again.... we now know he has a long history of playing hide the salami with SF.

 

HE's a worthless POS, WHO HAS ZERO RESPECT for anybody or anything. Good on ya Pablo. Stay high & gone!

[User Name]

I don't deny that it is probably having an effect on his defense. A man his size has all the range of a fencepost. But clearly weight is not a thing that holds back hitters, because as I said, there have been plenty of fat hitters in the past. For that matter, there have been a lot of fat pitchers, so clearly the pitching motions (which, like hitting, involve a lot of rotation and movement while standing in one place) doesn't necessarily suffer if a guy is fat.

 

I'm just wondering why everyone focuses on it, and wondering if anyone thinks he would be a better hitter, or a better acquisition for the Red Sox, if he loses the weight.

 

People are individuals. Just because Prince Fielder can hit while being fat doesn't mean Pablo can. He clearly can't hit or field after reaching a certain weight threshold, as his history of struggles at the plate would indicate.

[User Name]

I guess I wasn't clear. It's the combo at that position. 3rd is called the hot box for a reason. It is jarring!

 

p.s. one other factor???? I know it pizzes some off, but I honestly think the guy is stoned half the time. I think it's a factor. ??

As far as I know, the mlb does not routinely test for this? He's burnt, & doesn't seem to give a rip.

 

Of course the MLB tests for drugs of abuse plus steroids. They've busted (and suspended) a bunch of guys over the past few years.

[cp176]

who's that again? pablo who? On the bright side for Sox ownership - it could be worse - we got a pretty good third baseman out there making a little over 500 thousand.

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

Has anyone ever seen Dr Andrews and NOT had surgery afterwards?

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Has any pro athlete ever had surgery and not seen Dr. Andrews? I'd pay $50 just to see his W 2.

[redsoxdirtdog]

Of course the MLB tests for drugs of abuse plus steroids. They've busted (and suspended) a bunch of guys over the past few years.

 

 

They don't routinely test for marijuana as far as I know. I looked it up a while back. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.

[redsoxdirtdog]

Even if I'm wrong, I would never let that stand in the way of a good old fashioned rant!

[User Name]

They don't routinely test for marijuana as far as I know. I looked it up a while back. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.

 

MLB's drug of abuse system is ass backwards. They refer you to the JDA board if you're suspected of drug of abuse use. But if you're suspected and the board has you on their sight, they do test.

[sk7326]

People are individuals. Just because Prince Fielder can hit while being fat doesn't mean Pablo can. He clearly can't hit or field after reaching a certain weight threshold, as his history of struggles at the plate would indicate.

 

What is funny is that Sandoval HAS had a pretty high threshhold. As noted before, remarkably gifted athletically - which has allowed him to be, frankly, more nimble than a guy as tubby as he is ought to be. But clearly it looks like he has passed some sort of threshhold.

[jacksonianmarch]

Has any pro athlete ever had surgery and not seen Dr. Andrews? I'd pay $50 just to see his W 2.

 

He doesn't even do the surgeries. He's got a cadre of highly trained orthopedic fellows and has 4 rooms running all the time with sports medicine related surgeries. He's the diagnostician and the business manager of the practice. He is basically raking in 4 times as much as any orthopod on surgery alone and usually has a cash and carry policy for consultations, and I am sure each consult is at least 4 figures. My friend interviewed with him for an ortho spot.

[sk7326]

They don't routinely test for marijuana as far as I know. I looked it up a while back. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.

 

I think weed is on the list for minor league testing.

[User Name]

I think weed is on the list for minor league testing.

 

And in MLB, even if they catch, apparently they don't necessarily suspend you (Chris Perez got caught smoking dat hash and didn't get suspended).

[Youk Of The Nation]

People are individuals. Just because Prince Fielder can hit while being fat doesn't mean Pablo can. He clearly can't hit or field after reaching a certain weight threshold, as his history of struggles at the plate would indicate.

 

But how do we know that it's because of his weight and not just because he had a sucky year? Or that he just sucks?

[S5Dewey]

But how do we know that it's because of his weight and not just because he had a sucky year? Or that he just sucks?

 

And this, sir, is the crux of the problem! Now the FO has to pay The Fat Man for this year of no contribution to the team, probably as well as his surgery. Then after the surgery is over they have to play him to find out if he's still serviceable in order to try to get any return for him (which IMO will be minimal anyway). In the meantime we're stuck in limbo at 3B because in order to get even a minimal return for him other GM's have to see him play.

 

IF (and notice the cap's there)...IF they find out he can play they're still stuck with a Fat Panda who's probably not going to make any greater contribution to the team than will Travis Shaw, who's playing for a fraction of what The Fat Man is getting.

 

I see no way this ends well for the FO, and I'm glad I'm not writing the payroll checks.

[FredLynn]

And this, sir, is the crux of the problem! Now the FO has to pay The Fat Man for this year of no contribution to the team, probably as well as his surgery. Then after the surgery is over they have to play him to find out if he's still serviceable in order to try to get any return for him (which IMO will be minimal anyway). In the meantime we're stuck in limbo at 3B because in order to get even a minimal return for him other GM's have to see him play.

 

IF (and notice the cap's there)...IF they find out he can play they're still stuck with a Fat Panda who's probably not going to make any greater contribution to the team than will Travis Shaw, who's playing for a fraction of what The Fat Man is getting.

 

I see no way this ends well for the FO, and I'm glad I'm not writing the payroll checks.

 

This year is obviously a lost cause. If Sandoval has any professional pride left whatsoever its possible that he could, after surgery, use the time until next spring to get into the best shape of his life. I am not sure he will ever be the player that Shaw is right now, assuming Shaw continues to hammer the baseball and play a solid 3B, but he might because tradeable in the future.

[User Name]

But how do we know that it's because of his weight and not just because he had a sucky year? Or that he just sucks?

 

Prior history. It's been well publicized and analyzed how his performance suffers once he gains significant weight.

[jacksonianmarch]

UN, he's getting older and now coming off a major injury. He could regain his form with renewed table push aways and weight loss, but it's far from a guarantee

[Northern Star]

Has any pro athlete ever had surgery and not seen Dr. Andrews? I'd pay $50 just to see his W 2.

 

It's wedged between the GNP of Norway and Argentina.

[CliffKlowers]

Yes the FO made a huge mistake on signing Panda. We all agree on that.

[redsoxdirtdog]

Actually, his absolute lack of pride, shame, awareness, dignity, work ethic, self-discipline, loyalty, self-respect, self-control, or the realization that he owed it to HIS TEAMMATES, the team paying him an outrageous long term conract, the owners, one of the most storied franchises in mlb history, or the RS Nation fans a decent effort, is both bad and now good. Sure, he's a pathetic excuse for a bad team member, who gave us less than nothing as thanks for this mega-contract, but if he had any shred of decency or self-control, we would never have seen a full time Shaw at 3rd, and we would be having to deal with a slow rolling train wreck all season long.

 

His contract is a bona fide disaster, but at least he did us the favor of pulling a complete collapse, instead of a partial.

 

Thanks for making the decision an easy clear cut one Pablo!

[waltr]

I''m sure they have insurance to cover his salary

[mvp 78]

I''m sure they have insurance to cover his salary

 

It has been reported that they do not.

[Kimmi]

Actually, his absolute lack of pride, shame, awareness, dignity, work ethic, self-discipline, loyalty, self-respect, self-control, or the realization that he owed it to HIS TEAMMATES, the team paying him an outrageous long term conract, the owners, one of the most storied franchises in mlb history, or the RS Nation fans a decent effort, is both bad and now good. Sure, he's a pathetic excuse for a bad team member, who gave us less than nothing as thanks for this mega-contract, but if he had any shred of decency or self-control, we would never have seen a full time Shaw at 3rd, and we would be having to deal with a slow rolling train wreck all season long.

 

His contract is a bona fide disaster, but at least he did us the favor of pulling a complete collapse, instead of a partial.

 

Thanks for making the decision an easy clear cut one Pablo!

 

Sorry RSDD, but two thumbs down on this post. You are spewing a lot of vitriol towards Pablo that is based on nothing more than your biased perception of him.

[Dojji]

He's angry, but the core of his post is cogent. If Pablo had managed to keep his weight under control, he would have been given all the chances ever and would probably have worked his way back into game form over time. The fact that he lost control led to all the subsequent problems.

[FredLynn]

I wonder if there is the slightest chance that Sandoval's shoulder injury is an apparition, a deflection from the real surgery he is going to have-one to reduce the size of his stomach in an effort to control his weight. Thats not something I would imagine he would like to advertise if it were the case.

[S5Dewey]

I wonder if there is the slightest chance that Sandoval's shoulder injury is an apparition, a deflection from the real surgery he is going to have-one to reduce the size of his stomach in an effort to control his weight. Thats not something I would imagine he would like to advertise if it were the case.

 

I been sayin' that!