Pablo Sandoval

[Dojji]

Doubt it Fred, I think it was a legitimate injury caused by trying to make plays on the field and overstressing his joints due to his weight.

 

If there was any smoke behind that particular fire, I think you can count on the Boston sport media to have pounced all over it. Pablo is not exactly loved, and our sports media is quite aggressive, so a news story that the real "surgery" was a liposuction and stomach stapling instead of a shoulder repair woulod not be kept quiet.

[Hugh2]

Doubt it Fred, I think it was a legitimate injury caused by trying to make plays on the field and overstressing his joints due to his weight.

 

If there was any smoke behind that particular fire, I think you can count on the Boston sport media to have pounced all over it. Pablo is not exactly loved, and our sports media is quite aggressive, so a news story that the real "surgery" was a liposuction and stomach stapling instead of a shoulder repair woulod not be kept quiet.

 

This. I might be able to buy a phantom injury to send a guy down as it has allegedly happened before. But no player and his agent would ever sign off on having surgery if you didn't need it. The fact that he had surgery validates that he really did have a shoulder problem.

 

Perhaps the rehab he will have to endure to come back will actually help him get back into shape and he can return to some level of productivity next year.

 

It's plausible!!!!

[mvp 78]

Doubt it Fred, I think it was a legitimate injury caused by trying to make plays on the field and overstressing his joints due to his weight.

 

If there was any smoke behind that particular fire, I think you can count on the Boston sport media to have pounced all over it. Pablo is not exactly loved, and our sports media is quite aggressive, so a news story that the real "surgery" was a liposuction and stomach stapling instead of a shoulder repair woulod not be kept quiet.

 

While I love a good conspiracy theory, I have to agree with Dojji here. When I mentioned the lap band procedure before, it was only in jest. There's no way that this would be the case. The story would get out and the Sox would be in a lot of trouble. Plus, I can't see the Players' Union going along with it.

[Dojji]

It is. And if this is something he's been dealing with for awhile, as has been speculated, he might return better than ever. Maybe well enough to take over DH duties like he means it.

[Dojji]

Just did a youtube search on the Panda, and The Belt was the second video.

 

Poor guy.

[Hugh2]

If there is one thing Boston fans love it's a good comeback. Remember how quickly our love for Lackey came when he had that great year in 2013??? I was against the Pablo signing and won't get my hopes up but I sure would love to root for the guy.

[FredLynn]

Doubt it Fred, I think it was a legitimate injury caused by trying to make plays on the field and overstressing his joints due to his weight.

 

If there was any smoke behind that particular fire, I think you can count on the Boston sport media to have pounced all over it. Pablo is not exactly loved, and our sports media is quite aggressive, so a news story that the real "surgery" was a liposuction and stomach stapling instead of a shoulder repair woulod not be kept quiet.

 

I admit that you are almost certainly right...but somewhere in the back of my feeble mind I can see a smokescreen. Medical records are totally confidential; there is no way the media can access them unless Sandoval gives his permission for them to do so. The other thing is, exactly HOW did he injure that shoulder? I have a hard time believing he tore his labrum (which is what is being reported) by just sleeping on it wrong. His weight would not be a factor with that kind of injury unless he walks around on his hands. They could have sent him to Dr Andrews to cover up a bit. If he comes back next spring 30 pounds lighter I am going to get real suspicious. I would want to see his surgical scars.

[Hugh2]

I admit that you are almost certainly right...but somewhere in the back of my feeble mind I can see a smokescreen. Medical records are totally confidential; there is no way the media can access them unless Sandoval gives his permission for them to do so. The other thing is, exactly HOW did he injure that shoulder? I have a hard time believing he tore his labrum (which is what is being reported) by just sleeping on it wrong. His weight would not be a factor with that kind of injury unless he walks around on his hands. They could have sent him to Dr Andrews to cover up a bit. If he comes back next spring 30 pounds lighter I am going to get real suspicious. I would want to see his surgical scars.

 

I have a hard time believing Pablo would go along with that, and injuries can be very random and weird. I remember I tore my ACL once after I had been resting for months. I was literally squating up to 400 LB's for a month and when I got into my busy season I didn't get to work out as much but I was still getting some light cardio in 4-5 days a week. I tore my ACL literally getting up off the ground and just standing up. Perhaps it was injured from before and it was about to go any day who knows but that could make sense for Panda as well. Who knows exactly when or how it happen but odds are it wasn't just one movement that could have led to it...he could have had a small tear in it a year ago that has progressively become worse.

 

Also, from his perspective he has zero incentive to get surgery if he didn't need to so I think the fact that he's having surgery confirms that he really was injured.

[Kimmi]

I admit that you are almost certainly right...but somewhere in the back of my feeble mind I can see a smokescreen. Medical records are totally confidential; there is no way the media can access them unless Sandoval gives his permission for them to do so. The other thing is, exactly HOW did he injure that shoulder? I have a hard time believing he tore his labrum (which is what is being reported) by just sleeping on it wrong. His weight would not be a factor with that kind of injury unless he walks around on his hands. They could have sent him to Dr Andrews to cover up a bit. If he comes back next spring 30 pounds lighter I am going to get real suspicious. I would want to see his surgical scars.

 

Along with what others have said, there is no way that Dr. Andrews would go along with this "cover up" if he has any professional integrity. Even if he doesn't have any integrity, which I believe he does, he would be risking his reputation and his career by doing something like this. With this being such a high profile case, there is no way that he would be so reckless.

[FredLynn]

I have a hard time believing Pablo would go along with that, and injuries can be very random and weird. I remember I tore my ACL once after I had been resting for months. I was literally squating up to 400 LB's for a month and when I got into my busy season I didn't get to work out as much but I was still getting some light cardio in 4-5 days a week. I tore my ACL literally getting up off the ground and just standing up. Perhaps it was injured from before and it was about to go any day who knows but that could make sense for Panda as well. Who knows exactly when or how it happen but odds are it wasn't just one movement that could have led to it...he could have had a small tear in it a year ago that has progressively become worse.

 

Also, from his perspective he has zero incentive to get surgery if he didn't need to so I think the fact that he's having surgery confirms that he really was injured.

 

I have no doubt that he is getting surgery, and most likely its on his shoulder. But there are some missing parts here: how did he injure it so severely? Did he finally come to realize that his level of obesity affects not only his baseball career but his life as well? Why couldn't he get his shoulder examined for weeks after he allegedly hurt it? There are questions......

[redsoxdirtdog]

Sorry RSDD, but two thumbs down on this post. You are spewing a lot of vitriol towards Pablo that is based on nothing more than your biased perception of him.

 

 

Yes! & i'm pretty darned sure i'm right about every point. Sorry if it offends many to hear somebody say he looked high a good deal of the time on the bench last year. If I thought he looked & acted drunk I would say that. I think he looked & acted high on pot on numerous occasions. & no. The mlb does not routinely test for pot.

 

I respect you thinking i'm full of it, and that you think it's all just my opinion based on observation. You would be correct.

[redsoxdirtdog]

Oh shoot! You weren't even knocking me on this libalous point. OH well, this will give you one more reason to be aggravated with my opinions on Pablo.

 

Look.... I'm sure the guy is very nice. By all accounts, he is said to be very amiable, & a fun loving happy guy to have around.

 

Still, I honestly can't see how a single person could put up even a half serious argument against what I had to say about his lack of self-discipline, and letting his new team down 2 straight years primarily because of that lack of self-discipline. In fact, i'd even go a step farther. According to his old trainer, he was quite deceitful in hiding his weight issues in the run up to contract time. That's just a fact. I fully understand weight issues, but it's not up to me to take responsibility for HIS addiction to food. It's not a physiological addiction either. It''s straight up gluttony, with zero regard or respect for it's effect on being able to do his job. If he wants to eat 3 times what I eat, then he aught to man up & just say, "i'd rather eat as much of my favorite foods as possible, than control myself & live up to my HUGE CONTRACT! It's either my choice, or I just can't control it. So..... i'm backing out of the incredible contract you gave me." That I could respect!

 

Oh. & yes. I'm quite sure the pot makes the self control all the more difficult. Just my opinion, based on observation. Could I be wrong? YES! Do I think i'm wrong? Absolutely not.

 

Many great friends who smoke. No bias. Just observation. Do I want you around the team on the DL while you're high? No. Sorry.

[redsoxdirtdog]

Sorry RSDD, but two thumbs down on this post. You are spewing a lot of vitriol towards Pablo that is based on nothing more than your biased perception of him.

 

Actually, his absolute lack of pride, shame, awareness, dignity, work ethic, self-discipline, loyalty, self-respect, self-control, or the realization that he owed it to HIS TEAMMATES, the team paying him an outrageous long term conract, the owners, one of the most storied franchises in mlb history, or the RS Nation fans a decent effort, is both bad and now good. Sure, he's a pathetic excuse for a bad team member, who gave us less than nothing as thanks for this mega-contract, but if he had any shred of decency or self-control, we would never have seen a full time Shaw at 3rd, and we would be having to deal with a slow rolling train wreck all season long.

 

His contract is a bona fide disaster, but at least he did us the favor of pulling a complete collapse, instead of a partial.

 

Thanks for making the decision an easy clear cut one Pablo!

 

 

Kimmi, what exactly do you disagree with? Most of these points seem self-evident. I know it's harsh, & fueled by anger & disgust, but he basically slimmed down enough to bag a mega-contract, then let everyone down, especially his teammates & the fans, simply because he then chose to dismiss all self-control in order to indulge his every food desire. Hyperbolic? Sure. Accurate? Yes.

 

$$$$$$$ aside, he actually did us all a favor this year. He's gone, and we have a far better player who cares deeply about making it in the bigs with the Red Sox.

 

Win - Win.

[Hugh2]

I have no doubt that he is getting surgery, and most likely its on his shoulder. But there are some missing parts here: how did he injure it so severely? Did he finally come to realize that his level of obesity affects not only his baseball career but his life as well? Why couldn't he get his shoulder examined for weeks after he allegedly hurt it? There are questions......

 

The nature of Pablos injury is no mystery at all and the fact that we don't know more is purely because we are not his doctor. There is nothing extraordinary or peculiar about that. Injuries are just as often not caused by some acute injury, they can often be brought on slowly from every day wear and tear from things such as sitting at your desk or walking with poor gait patterns. The smallest of things can be causing muscular imbalances that one day can lead to soft tissue injuries for seemingly no reason at all. I don't think there are really any questions to be asked that aren't based in some irrational belief that something sinister is going on. Again, why on earth would Pablo and his agent sign off on having surgery if they didn't need it??? would you do that for your job? Their really is zero logic there

[S5Dewey]

The nature of Pablos injury is no mystery at all and the fact that we don't know more is purely because we are not his doctor. There is nothing extraordinary or peculiar about that. Injuries are just as often not caused by some acute injury, they can often be brought on slowly from every day wear and tear from things such as sitting at your desk or walking with poor gait patterns. The smallest of things can be causing muscular imbalances that one day can lead to soft tissue injuries for seemingly no reason at all. I don't think there are really any questions to be asked that aren't based in some irrational belief that something sinister is going on. Again, why on earth would Pablo and his agent sign off on having surgery if they didn't need it??? would you do that for your job? Their really is zero logic there

 

Wait.

Nobody said he's not having the shoulder surgery. The speculation is that he may also be having another surgery of some kind while he's on the DL. If that's true a case can be made that the elective surgery is for personal reasons and therefore he has no obligation to reveal it to the public.

[Hugh2]

Wow, I didn't realize some of you guys were conspiracy theorists.

[Dojji]

Wait.

Nobody said he's not having the shoulder surgery. The speculation is that he may also be having another surgery of some kind while he's on the DL.

 

Extremely unlikely. Any kind of surgery sets a timetable for a comeback even further, having a secondary liposuction would put the recovery from the shoulder surgery on hold and the team would need a good reason not to put its foot down and insist that Pablo lose the weight the hard way. It's not like he hasn't managed to successfully slim down in the past.

[Jack Flap]

Kimmi, what exactly do you disagree with? Most of these points seem self-evident. I know it's harsh, & fueled by anger & disgust, but he basically slimmed down enough to bag a mega-contract, then let everyone down, especially his teammates & the fans, simply because he then chose to dismiss all self-control in order to indulge his every food desire. Hyperbolic? Sure. Accurate? Yes.

 

$$$$$$$ aside, he actually did us all a favor this year. He's gone, and we have a far better player who cares deeply about making it in the bigs with the Red Sox.

 

Win - Win.

 

 

I blame the team far more for giving him that big contract. It's not like history of issues with getting/staying in shape were a secret before 2015, and his already-declining stats were there for all to see.

 

Many of us saw disaster and an albatross contract on the horizon even before the Red Sox inked him...I just never imagined it would happen so quickly and dramatically.

[redsoxdirtdog]

I blame the team far more for giving him that big contract. It's not like history of issues with getting/staying in shape were a secret before 2015, and his already-declining stats were there for all to see.

 

Many of us saw disaster and an albatross contract on the horizon even before the Red Sox inked him...I just never imagined it would happen so quickly and dramatically.

 

 

 

The fact that this was an historically awful contract was a given. Most of us thought that from day 1. So I completely agree with you!

 

Still, that does not negate us having even the most minimal expectations for Pablo. He's made a complete joke of himself. I feel for his struggle with weight. We all have family and friends who struggle with this every day.

 

I think the notion that he is also having lipo is pretty silly. The stomach staple stuff is just nutty.

[Hugh2]

And to think most Sox fans were all excited when we got him. If only some of us saw the 4 year decline, if only we saw the data on overweight players starting to decline 4 years earlier on average, if only the saw the front office was panicking....if only. But no, Pablo was such a great CLUTCH PLAYER!!!!

 

Ok I'm sorry, I'm done being a dick.....but what really angers me is the next Pablo. There will come a time when there is a free agent we have to have and it too will be a horrible ideal. I've been a strong advocate for years of building a team from within and having patience and periodically through out the last few years there have been outcrys to trade almost every player from this team.

 

Bogaerts is over rated and doesn't belong at SS we should have traded him while he had value!!!!

 

Betts can't hit MLB pitching his value has crashed trade him!!!!

 

JBJ will never hit MLB pitching, we held onto him for too long!!!

 

Wright is a knuckle baller and doesn't belong in the league.

 

Shaw should be packaged up for Mike Trout (ok...maybe a bit too sarcastic).

 

If some forum arm chair GM fans ran this team....we'd have no young talent, a 250 million dollar payroll littered with Pablo Sandovals.

[Slasher9]

it's simple. someone needs to break his jaw. get that piehole wired shut for 6 weeks.

[Jack Flap]

The fact that this was an historically awful contract was a given. Most of us thought that from day 1. So I completely agree with you!

 

Still, that does not negate us having even the most minimal expectations for Pablo. He's made a complete joke of himself. I feel for his struggle with weight. We all have family and friends who struggle with this every day.

 

I think the notion that he is also having lipo is pretty silly. The stomach staple stuff is just nutty.

 

There's no doubt he has completely failed to meet even the lowest expectations. Absolutely. It's just that the leap from "bad baseball player" to "bad person" isn't one I'm very comfortable making when the guy's major sin is being fat, which is something we knew coming in.

 

Bottom line, it's a s***** situation all around, with the only bright spot being the way Shaw has seized his opportunity and run with it so far.

[Jack Flap]

And to think most Sox fans were all excited when we got him. If only some of us saw the 4 year decline, if only we saw the data on overweight players starting to decline 4 years earlier on average, if only the saw the front office was panicking....if only. But no, Pablo was such a great CLUTCH PLAYER!!!!

 

Ok I'm sorry, I'm done being a dick.....but what really angers me is the next Pablo. There will come a time when there is a free agent we have to have and it too will be a horrible ideal. I've been a strong advocate for years of building a team from within and having patience and periodically through out the last few years there have been outcrys to trade almost every player from this team.

 

Bogaerts is over rated and doesn't belong at SS we should have traded him while he had value!!!!

 

Betts can't hit MLB pitching his value has crashed trade him!!!!

 

JBJ will never hit MLB pitching, we held onto him for too long!!!

 

Wright is a knuckle baller and doesn't belong in the league.

 

Shaw should be packaged up for Mike Trout (ok...maybe a bit too sarcastic).

 

If some forum arm chair GM fans ran this team....we'd have no young talent, a 250 million dollar payroll littered with Pablo Sandovals.

 

Lol...spoken like a true BDC veteran.

[a700hitter]

And to think most Sox fans were all excited when we got him. If only some of us saw the 4 year decline, if only we saw the data on overweight players starting to decline 4 years earlier on average, if only the saw the front office was panicking....if only. But no, Pablo was such a great CLUTCH PLAYER!!!!

 

Ok I'm sorry, I'm done being a dick.....but what really angers me is the next Pablo. There will come a time when there is a free agent we have to have and it too will be a horrible ideal. I've been a strong advocate for years of building a team from within and having patience and periodically through out the last few years there have been outcrys to trade almost every player from this team.

 

Bogaerts is over rated and doesn't belong at SS we should have traded him while he had value!!!!

 

Betts can't hit MLB pitching his value has crashed trade him!!!!

 

JBJ will never hit MLB pitching, we held onto him for too long!!!

 

Wright is a knuckle baller and doesn't belong in the league.

 

Shaw should be packaged up for Mike Trout (ok...maybe a bit too sarcastic).

 

If some forum arm chair GM fans ran this team....we'd have no young talent, a 250 million dollar payroll littered with Pablo Sandovals.

And maybe three less last place finishes. And to those who say that last place doesn't matter, speaking for myself, I just like to watch good baseball. There are 30 teams so World Championships are always going to be very rare. In between those rare Championships, I just like to watch competitive baseball at least until Labor Day. In three of the last 4 years, I have had to pursue hobbies because Baseball at Fenway was noncompetitive and painful to watch by Memorial Day.

 

Who cares what fans say about FO moves? They don't run the team, but everyone will have an opinion about what the FO does , and those opinions are all over the map. The only thing more boring to me than rehashing old FO moves is rehashing the archive of fan opinions about the moves. You are free to rant about that, but what is the point? Joe fan has no control over anything, so their opinions are pretty irrelevant.

[mvp 78]

Lol...spoken like a true BDC veteran.

 

Half of those things were never said on here so it just comes across as jibberish. Not sure anyone complained about Xander or Betts on here. There are those of us who dislike watching knuckleballers pitch, but we all believe he could have a place on the team.

[Hugh2]

Half of those things were never said on here so it just comes across as jibberish. Not sure anyone complained about Xander or Betts on here. There are those of us who dislike watching knuckleballers pitch, but we all believe he could have a place on the team.

 

Well then, this place should be better for my sanity.

[a700hitter]

Well then, this place should be better for my sanity.

Let's hope that that ship has not sailed.

[Slasher9]

Half of those things were never said on here so it just comes across as jibberish. Not sure anyone complained about Xander or Betts on here. There are those of us who dislike watching knuckleballers pitch, but we all believe he could have a place on the team.

 

not one poster on this site complained how poorly Xanders defense was in 2014 (20 errors)? or how he was scuffling at the plate (batting .240 )?

if this is true. i am shocked.

[mvp 78]

not one poster on this site complained how poorly Xanders defense was in 2014 (20 errors)? or how he was scuffling at the plate (batting .240 )?

if this is true. i am shocked.

 

I think most normal people saw the potential and just realized not to expect greatness right out of the gate.

[a700hitter]

not one poster on this site complained how poorly Xanders defense was in 2014 (20 errors)? or how he was scuffling at the plate (batting .240 )?

if this is true. i am shocked.

Those things didn't happen? Of course they were noticed, and of course he had to improve those aspects of his game. The organization also noticed those weaknesses and helped him improve in those aspects. There was no groundswell to ship ship him out of town at that time. If his game didn't improve in the following year, there might have been a sentiment to get rid of him or change his position, but that didn't happen.