Red Sox Outfield 2016

[Kimmi]

A 25 man roster needs a couple of extra outfielders - Castillo is not dead.

 

Castillo may not be dead, but he really isn't going to have a chance to improve if he's not playing everyday. There is no benefit to Castillo in having him sit on the bench. If he's not going to be an everyday player for the Red Sox, he needs to be sent down.

[cp176]

The sunk cost of his contract is irrelevant to his usefulness on the roster. I'm not sure sending him to Pawtucket will make him a better player or make him more tradeable.

 

I don't disagree with your comment about the cost of his contract relating to his relevancy as a player. I think that we could say as much about Sandoval and Porcello. I guess that I just should have said that right now signing him for that amount of money and then sitting him on the bench after projecting him to be a starter looks pretty f***ing stupid. It's all good though. Everything is wonderful. If you ignore his contract and look at things differently, he looks like a very dangerous player for your last outfielder on the depth chart. Sox got the money right.

[Kimmi]

I blame Dombrowski for the whole Castillo fiasco.

[a700hitter]

I blame Dombrowski for the whole Castillo fiasco.

Castillo is not good enough to win a spot, and for that you blame DD. Interesting.

[mvp 78]

Castillo is not good enough to win a spot, and for that you blame DD. Interesting.

 

Rusney optioned to Pawtucket.

[Behindenemylines]

Castillo was an unnecessary signing.

 

I think it was a panic move after missing out on Jose Abreau. Didn't want to get left out of the Cuban market.

[a700hitter]

I think it was a panic move after missing out on Jose Abreau. Didn't want to get left out of the Cuban market.

i think so.

[User Name]

They had signed big ticket Cuba guys before (Iglesias). There was a bidding war for Castillo, whose skills many thought would translate immediately to MLB. Not every move is a "panic move" or has a dumb underlying decision. Some moves just don't work out.

[a700hitter]

They had signed big ticket Cuba guys before (Iglesias). There was a bidding war for Castillo, whose skills many thought would translate immediately to MLB. Not every move is a "panic move" or has a dumb underlying decision. Some moves just don't work out.

True. But they did whiff badly on Abreu, and then the blew the market out of the water on the next available Cuban player.

[sk7326]

True. But they did whiff badly on Abreu, and then the blew the market out of the water on the next available Cuban player.

 

About $2M per year above the expected bid range ... typical "winner's curse" stuff. IIRC there were four or five alleged suitors.

[Bellhorn04]

Let's hope Rusney doesn't end up as our Kei Igawa.

[User Name]

True. But they did whiff badly on Abreu, and then the blew the market out of the water on the next available Cuban player.

 

They blew it, full stop. They could have gotten Abreu had they really wanted to. The screw-up was in the evaluation for both players.

[sk7326]

Also, with the revised draft bonus rules, the international signing caps and the Japanese posting system - the sports created a giant incentive to go hog wild over Cuban players. It's the one cohort (so long as they remain free agents) which you could buy no strings attached.

[mvp 78]

They blew it, full stop. They could have gotten Abreu had they really wanted to. The screw-up was in the evaluation for both players.

 

Thanks Ben

[Spudboy]

They had signed big ticket Cuba guys before (Iglesias). There was a bidding war for Castillo, whose skills many thought would translate immediately to MLB. Not every move is a "panic move" or has a dumb underlying decision. Some moves just don't work out.

 

Valid comment.

 

However, there appears to be evidence that the Sox did not have enough info about Castillo before doling out all that money. IIRC they only saw him play once about two years earlier when at the WBC.

 

The scouting info was woefully incomplete, in my opinion.

 

But as you said, not all deals work out. And Abreu type talent sown up for 4-5 years at 10 mil or so would be great.

 

A 29 year old Single A player is not.

[mvp 78]

@redsoxthoughts Feeling happy? Wanna feel sad about baseball things? Rusney Castillo is hitting .231/.305/.250 at AAA

[iortiz]

@redsoxthoughts Feeling happy? Wanna feel sad about baseball things? Rusney Castillo is hitting .231/.305/.250 at AAA

 

That contract is getting ugly.

[Bellhorn04]

That contract is getting ugly.

 

More like a quick 72 million down the tubes. Oh well.

 

It's pretty wild that a guy who is simply not good enough to play major league ball is going to end up with 72 mill pre-tax in his bank account.

[Dojji]

It was a known possibility when the gamble made. If you don't understand why that risk was taken, look at Kendrys Morales, Jose Iglesias, and Jose Abreu

[Bellhorn04]

It was a known possibility when the gamble made. If you don't understand why that risk was taken, look at Kendrys Morales, Jose Iglesias, and Jose Abreu

 

How much money was initially put at risk with Morales and Iglesias?

[Hugh2]

They blew it, full stop. They could have gotten Abreu had they really wanted to. The screw-up was in the evaluation for both players.

 

My problem with blaming the evaluation process is you really can't judge that process from one guy. That's the same process they used to bring guys like Iglesias, Moncada, Devers, Espinosa, betts, Bogaerts, Vasquez, Benintendi and others into the system as well. Also, while it might not look too promising, I wouldn't close the book on Castillo just yet.

[User Name]

My problem with blaming the evaluation process is you really can't judge that process from one guy. That's the same process they used to bring guys like Iglesias, Moncada, Devers, Espinosa, betts, Bogaerts, Vasquez, Benintendi and others into the system as well. Also, while it might not look too promising, I wouldn't close the book on Castillo just yet.

 

You are essentially bringing up an argument that I never made. I said they got it wrong when evaluating those two players, not that the process in itself is flawed or incorrect.

[Dojji]

Then yes, they got it wrong. They will also get it right a few times over the years.

[sk7326]

Sox got it wrong. As has been noted, the Cuban free agent market creates this massive incentive to spend tons of money. Alas, the mistakes are expensive ones.

[S5Dewey]

Then what's your point? Is your standard that they never make a mistake? Because the only person who never makes a mistake is someone who's not doing anything.

[User Name]

Then what's your point? Is your standard that they never make a mistake? Because the only person who never makes a mistake is someone who's not doing anything.

 

My point is that they got it wrong in that instance, as an answer to a previous question about why the Sox didn't go harder for Abreu than they did Castillo. That's it. I don't get why you're now trying to tell me what I tried to say or what I think.

[User Name]

I think it was a panic move after missing out on Jose Abreau. Didn't want to get left out of the Cuban market.

 

i think so.

 

They had signed big ticket Cuba guys before (Iglesias). There was a bidding war for Castillo, whose skills many thought would translate immediately to MLB. Not every move is a "panic move" or has a dumb underlying decision. Some moves just don't work out.

 

True. But they did whiff badly on Abreu, and then the blew the market out of the water on the next available Cuban player.

 

This is the actual conversation. It's a good idea to read through it before jumping into conversations. Not trying to be snarky, but it avoids misunderstandings.

[S5Dewey]

My point is that they got it wrong in that instance, as an answer to a previous question about why the Sox didn't go harder for Abreu than they did Castillo. That's it. I don't get why you're now trying to tell me what I tried to say or what I think.

 

Lighten up there, Cowboy. Are you always this grouchy/paranoid? I asked a couple of questions. Never did I try to tell you what to say or think unless you think that there was something inherently wrong with saying what a did about a person who never makes mistakes, and I think that's pretty obvious.

[Hugh2]

You are essentially bringing up an argument that I never made. I said they got it wrong when evaluating those two players, not that the process in itself is flawed or incorrect.

 

Ok, I wasn't sure if you were or not it looked like you might have been, thanks for the clarification. A

[User Name]

Lighten up there, Cowboy. Are you always this grouchy/paranoid? I asked a couple of questions. Never did I try to tell you what to say or think unless you think that there was something inherently wrong with saying what a did about a person who never makes mistakes, and I think that's pretty obvious.

 

You jumped into the thread and immediately misconstrued the point I was trying to make. That's pretty goddamn annoying. I'll take your "lighten up" and raise you a "read before you post".