Trade Deadline Predictions for the Sox

[SoxSport]

https://twitter.com/ALLsportsINTEL

 

we'll see.

[dduncan6er]

FWIW that same blog also tweeted Peyton Manning was signing with the Titans.

[sk7326]

Hypothetical here. What would the opinion be on a deal that sent us Cliff Lee for less talent on the condition that we take Papelbon's contract on as well? We take on a good chunk of the money and in exchange, we give up less in the talent department.

 

That NESN money ought to go somewhere. If the prospect price is not too bad - taking them both makes sense. Papelbon is a "proven closer" which is a useless position but one the sport has decided to live with. He has been effective this season, just a luxury position. Lee is old, but a really good bet to hold his performance - easy delivery, doesn't waste motion.

[dupree]

If jackie bradley jr and barnes are two of the prospects sent in the cliff lee deal that means the sox will go all in on retaining Ellsbury at season's end. Not sure if this is gonna happen but it is nice seeing that Ben is in on someone.

[mvp 78]

That would be stupid.

[SoxSport]

If jackie bradley jr and barnes are two of the prospects sent in the cliff lee deal that means the sox will go all in on retaining Ellsbury at season's end. Not sure if this is gonna happen but it is nice seeing that Ben is in on someone.

 

maybe. no one else is reporting this--so far. though this guy has been developing the story for awhile. a chance he has an inside source.

 

They lost a typical game they should have won to the Rays tonite. The fundamentals to win these games seems to be lacking. Not using speed on the bases, for example (Iggy should have pinch run for Nava).

[User Name]

They use speed. They just use it stupidly. And were you even watching the game? Nava was brought in as a pinch-runner, and should have never entered the game. Iglesias should have come in initially/

[Bellhorn04]

They use speed. They just use it stupidly. And were you even watching the game? Nava was brought in as a pinch-runner, and should have never entered the game. Iglesias should have come in initially/

 

Wrong thread guy LOL what is wrong with us here.

[User Name]

Wrong thread guy LOL what is wrong with us here.

 

Remember that SoxSport says the same thing in every thread, so i just respond to him in all of 'em.

[BoSox92]

We would be stupid to deal prospects for Jake Peavy. Now, Cliff Lee, possibly but at what price? I'm not willing to give away top tier prospects.

 

Xander Bogaerets, Will Middlebrooks, Jackie Bradley, Rubby De La Rosa, Allen Webster, Henry Owens, Anthony Ranaudo, Trey Ball, Brandon Workman and Blake Swihart are all untouchable to me.

 

I think we need a bat more than we need pitching at this point. Since the all star break we've only give up 28 runs in 10 games and we've scored 33 runs. But we've been held under 2 runs in 6 games including 2 shutouts to division opponents.

 

I'd call up Bogaerets and Middlebrooks. Though, Middlebrooks unlikely with Snyder's decency at the plate today, let him continue his excessive rehad stint in the minors. But call up Bogaerets! Let's see if the kid can catch on at the MLB level.

[SoxSport]

According to that tweetsource, Bradley is who the Phillies want. Plus Barnes and Cecchini. The players seem to be acceptable to the Red Sox. It's the money that's unsettled. They want the Phillies to pay half Lee's salary. Less than that if Young is included. Sounds plausible.

 

Trade Rumors has reported they are talking, but Red Sox didn't want to deal "top prospects." Maybe they're willing to trade Bradley. They have a lot of "top prospects." There is other speculation about "NL execs saying that Amaro is going to move Lee, Boston a likely source."

 

There is smoke, but no fire yet.

[italstallianion]

I wonder if Bradley becomes expendable if Philly takes on some money for Lee so that we can better afford Ellsbury.

[mvp 78]

Bradley, Barnes and Cecchini? Nope.

[a700hitter]

Lee is under contract for a couple of more years. This would not be a rental. We are going to have to pay the price in salary or prospects. The cost will be substantial one way or another.

[Palodios]

Lee is under contract for a couple of more years. This would not be a rental. We are going to have to pay the price in salary or prospects. The cost will be substantial one way or another.

 

Word is that the Phillies don't want to eat a penny of the contract though. I wouldn't give 3 top 100 prospects for a 34 year old at that price. That's a trade that you're just asking to get burned on.

[Bellhorn04]

Bradley, Barnes and Cecchini? Nope.

 

Yeah, that's a little too much to stomach. I think BenCh is going to get it down to two top prospects and a lesser one.

[Palodios]

The more I look at the price tag, the less it makes sense.

 

We already have a high talent pitcher with a "minor" neck injury.

[Bellhorn04]

The more I look at the price tag, the less it makes sense.

 

We already have a high talent pitcher with a "minor" neck injury.

 

Lee is listed as probable for Friday. The guy is pretty durable. Well over 1,000 innings the last 5 years.

[Orange Juiced]

Lee is under contract for a couple of more years. This would not be a rental. We are going to have to pay the price in salary or prospects. The cost will be substantial one way or another.

 

What Palodios said. Philly apparently wants to have their cake and eat it too - a huge prospect haul *and* the Sox to take on all of Lee's salary. Lee is a bona fide ace in every conceivable way, and he would help this team considerably, but that's an awful lot to give up.

 

It's actually kind of amazing. Since 2008 he's been perhaps baseball's best starting pitcher. And yet he's been dealt numerous times. Strange.

[Bellhorn04]

This is a situation where both the seller and the buyer are highly motivated and well positioned. I think a deal will probably get done, after some serious haggling.

 

The only other team considered to be a good match is St. Louis, but they don't need Lee as much.

[Bellhorn04]

What Palodios said. Philly apparently wants to have their cake and eat it too - a huge prospect haul *and* the Sox to take on all of Lee's salary. Lee is a bona fide ace in every conceivable way, and he would help this team considerably, but that's an awful lot to give up.

 

It's actually kind of amazing. Since 2008 he's been perhaps baseball's best starting pitcher. And yet he's been dealt numerous times. Strange.

 

Yeah, it is a little strange. Maybe it's because he doesn't come across as an overpowering pitcher at all. He just gets the job done.

[User Name]

I think it's more because of the teams he's been in, with the exception of the time he was traded for Halladay.

[sk7326]

Yeah, it is a little strange. Maybe it's because he doesn't come across as an overpowering pitcher at all. He just gets the job done.

 

Well - 2007 his form (and health maybe) slipped a ton. Remember he was not on the playoff roster when we beat the Guardians.

2008 won the Cy Young, but then the Guardians as a team went off a cliff. And Grady Sizemore's body fell apart. By 2009 the Guardians were rebuilding and shipped him to the Phillies. He was a key cog in their getting to the WS before losing to that Yankee juggernaut.

2010 dealt to Seattle to make room for Roy Halladay

2011 Seattle stunk, dealt him to Texas, they dominated Yankees then he struggled a little in WS

2012 Signed with Phillies as a FA

 

So realistically he has been moved a lot, but he has also been in a lot of rebuilding situations where he became a team's best trade asset (frankly, like now).

[Orange Juiced]

See first post in the thread for an update on my predictions.

 

http://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/16522-Trade-Deadline-Predictions-for-the-Sox?p=856850&viewfull=1#post856850

[Behindenemylines]

See first post in the thread for an update on my predictions.

 

http://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/16522-Trade-Deadline-Predictions-for-the-Sox?p=856850&viewfull=1#post856850

 

Pretty good so far. Now can you make some positive predictions for the Sox playoff chances?

[RedSoxNC84]

I predict that deadline is over and the Sox won't make any more moves

[Orange Juiced]

Bump due to the Bogaerts addition.

[marklmw]

What Palodios said. Philly apparently wants to have their cake and eat it too - a huge prospect haul *and* the Sox to take on all of Lee's salary. Lee is a bona fide ace in every conceivable way, and he would help this team considerably, but that's an awful lot to give up.

 

It's actually kind of amazing. Since 2008 he's been perhaps baseball's best starting pitcher. And yet he's been dealt numerous times. Strange.

 

If Ellsbury was signed we can part with JBJ but since we don't I say no possible way. Just take a look at Sabathia now ... very durable and lot's of innings ... If Lee was 27 - 28 with 4 years left on his contract it would be something to consider but he isn't so it is not going to happen.

[Orange Juiced]

If Ellsbury was signed we can part with JBJ but since we don't I say no possible way. Just take a look at Sabathia now ... very durable and lot's of innings ... If Lee was 27 - 28 with 4 years left on his contract it would be something to consider but he isn't so it is not going to happen.

 

I agree with you. Trading for Cliff Lee before the trade deadline this season is definitely not going to happen.

[Thunder]

I agree with you. Trading for Cliff Lee before the trade deadline this season is definitely not going to happen.

 

You mean the waiver trade deadline?