Red Sox (Suarez) vs Yankees (Schlittler): 6/7/26, 1:35pm

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, notin said:

If Bregman never got hurt, I doubt he gets called up at all last year.

Given the infield injuries this year, I’d expect we saw him debut at some point…

And maybe he never figures out offspeed stuff anyway? 

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, notin said:

It’s easy for us to throw around white flags.  I don’t blame the Sox to try for a few more weeks…

I just don't want them to pass up really good offers at the trade deadline like they've done in the past. If they are still 5+ games below .500 or whatever at that point, just sell. Blow it up. If you get a crazy offer for WC40, trade him. Sonny? Gone. Chappy? Gone. Deal Masa and eat 75% of the contract. 

[Old Red]

29 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

I don't think anyone clings to them like the know all be all.  I'm very ingrained in the world of prospectum and everyone is very aware that prospects will break your heart. 

It feels more like the opposite to me, a prospect is ranked very highly and prospect people get excited knowing they can bust and people who aren't into prospects are the ones who get all pouty about it when they don't pan out.  Pure conjecture on my part, but that's what it looks like to me. 

I’ve seen many prospects come up going back to Tony C at age 19 in 1964, and produce, so I just don’t get excited about the ones coming up today. As I always say a prospect is useless until they come up, and produce in a Red Sox uniform, or are traded for someone who does.

[JoeBrady]

7 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

With Mayer, there wasn't a real long look at any level and it's not like he was busting down the door anyway. 

Mayer progressed just about like he should have.  He had 9 HRs in 170 ABs in AAA, with a 38/20 K/W, with a good glove.  He had a .678 OPS in the pros.  There was -0- reason not to make him part of the opening lineup.

[JoeBrady]

9 minutes ago, notin said:

It’s easy for us to throw around white flags.  I don’t blame the Sox to try for a few more weeks…

There's also no guarantee that we won't get just as good an offer at the trade deadline.  It's kind of an interesting psychological study here.  There were a lot of people that wanted to go all-in during the off-season, because they thought the future was now and didn't want to wait.  Two months later, and it is white flag time?

[Old Red]

3 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

Mayer progressed just about like he should have.  He had 9 HRs in 170 ABs in AAA, with a 38/20 K/W, with a good glove.  He had a .678 OPS in the pros.  There was -0- reason not to make him part of the opening lineup.

He missed valuable AB in Portland, and Woo, because of injuries.

[Old Red]

Just now, JoeBrady said:

There's also no guarantee that we won't get just as good an offer at the trade deadline.  It's kind of an interesting psychological study here.  There were a lot of people that wanted to go all-in during the off-season, because they thought the future was now and didn't want to wait.  Two months later, and it is white flag time?

True, and little Anthony put a little damper on that along with a few others.

[mvp 78]

5 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

Mayer progressed just about like he should have.  He had 9 HRs in 170 ABs in AAA, with a 38/20 K/W, with a good glove.  He had a .678 OPS in the pros.  There was -0- reason not to make him part of the opening lineup.

Couldn't hit offspeed pitching. Couldn't hit LHP. He's a platoon hitter who can only hit fastballs. How's he going to get better in MLB? 170 AB's in AAA. You think that's enough? 818 OPS isn't really banging down the door IMO.

He's showed all year long that he's not ready. You just saying "well the numbers showed he was ready and it was a good decision" doesn't make it so. 

[Old Red]

1 hour ago, notin said:

Yeah, nobody f***ing does that.  But people who don’t like them like to pretend that so they get to label folks they disagree with as irrational and stubborn.

They do get cited because they exist and actually do have value as they are a quick summary of the opinions of professionals that many of us acknowledge know more than we do…

Yes cited, and Highlighted, but I see little value no matter who evaluates.

[Old Red]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

Couldn't hit offspeed pitching. Couldn't hit LHP. He's a platoon hitter who can only hit fastballs. How's he going to get better in MLB? 170 AB's in AAA. You think that's enough? 818 OPS isn't really banging down the door IMO.

He's showed all year long that he's not ready. You just saying "well the numbers showed he was ready and it was a good decision" doesn't make it so. 

Agree, and it might have made a difference if he hadn’t missed the time he did, because of injuries, but he did miss that time that didn’t help his development.

[Bellhorn04]

8 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

There's also no guarantee that we won't get just as good an offer at the trade deadline.  It's kind of an interesting psychological study here.  There were a lot of people that wanted to go all-in during the off-season, because they thought the future was now and didn't want to wait.  Two months later, and it is white flag time?

Nobody was expecting us to be 27-36 on June 8 with the coaching staff long gone.

[notin]

5 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Couldn't hit offspeed pitching. Couldn't hit LHP. He's a platoon hitter who can only hit fastballs. How's he going to get better in MLB? 170 AB's in AAA. You think that's enough? 818 OPS isn't really banging down the door IMO.

He's showed all year long that he's not ready. You just saying "well the numbers showed he was ready and it was a good decision" doesn't make it so. 

What better place to learn to hit MLB pitching?

[notin]

7 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Yes cited, and Highlighted, but I see little value no matter who evaluates.

Really?  Little value?  You think you can do a better job than professional scouts that actually watch these players like they’ve been doing for years?

And bear in mind, you’ve already said Mayer was overhyped before he was drafted…

[mvp 78]

5 minutes ago, notin said:

What better place to learn to hit MLB pitching?

Doesn't seem like he's learning it! Seems like he needs to get success against AAA offspeed pitching first! 

[notin]

10 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Doesn't seem like he's learning it! Seems like he needs to get success against AAA offspeed pitching first! 

And if your kids struggle with third grade math, do you immediately demote them to second grade?

I think if the team continues their current path, he gets swapped out with Cheng soon.  By mid-July at the latest, once the Sox say “f*** it. Let’s see who wants Chapman, Gray and IKF.”  At that point, if Mayer is still struggling, I suspect he gets demoted assuming he hasn’t already been.

I wouldn’t mind if they brought up Cheng today or demoted Mayer when Sogard returned.  And maybe they will.  They only let Campbell slump for one month before demoting him…

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, notin said:

And if your kids struggle with third grade math, do you immediately demote them to second grade?

He was struggling with 2nd grade math and was moved up to 3rd grade math. Why is he struggling with 3rd grade math? 👨‍🦯

Marcelo needs to go back and master 2nd grade math.

[Old Red]

20 minutes ago, notin said:

Really?  Little value?  You think you can do a better job than professional scouts that actually watch these players like they’ve been doing for years?

And bear in mind, you’ve already said Mayer was overhyped before he was drafted…

Where did I say I could do a better job than professional scouts? I just said it has little value no matter who evaluate someone. Mayer wasn’t overhyped before, and after he was drafted.?🤔

[Old Red]

20 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Doesn't seem like he's learning it! Seems like he needs to get success against AAA offspeed pitching first! 

I just hope he doesn’t turn out to be a present day KC who can’t even to re-adjust to AAA pitching at the moment.

[Hugh2]

59 minutes ago, Old Red said:

I’ve seen many prospects come up going back to Tony C at age 19 in 1964, and produce, so I just don’t get excited about the ones coming up today. As I always say a prospect is useless until they come up, and produce in a Red Sox uniform, or are traded for someone who does.

Most good baseball players don't come up and immediately produce at an all star level.  Some guys need time to develop at the MLB, most guys do.  Lots of ball players inbetween Tony C and now. 

A young player like Mayer burns a bigger hole on your roster when your roster sucks to begin with.  So therefore the problem isn't Mayer.  The problem was never replacing Devers/Bregman 

[Old Red]

7 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Most good baseball players don't come up and immediately produce at an all star level.  Some guys need time to develop at the MLB, most guys do.  Lots of ball players inbetween Tony C and now. 

A young player like Mayer burns a bigger hole on your roster when your roster sucks to begin with.  So therefore the problem isn't Mayer.  The problem was never replacing Devers/Bregman 

I agree on not replacing Devers, but so far Mayer can’t hit. I also questioned that in the offseason when the lineup looked better.

[vegasbob]

5 hours ago, JoeBrady said:

They did exactly what they were supposed to do-promote a top prospect.  Every team does this, as in 100% of them.  How did Dominguez and Spencer Jones work out for the NYY?  Jackson Holliday for the Orioles?  Keaschell for the Twins.  Crawford, Painter, Crews, House, Frelick, Turang, PCA....

Give me a team, and I can find at least 2-3 prospects that either never worked out, or that took 1-2 years before they worked out.

So you mean like Rafaela who may be working out well on both offense and defense after 3 seasons.  It does take awhile at this level.   

[Old Red]

6 minutes ago, vegasbob said:

So you mean like Rafaela who may be working out well on both offense and defense after 3 seasons.  It does take awhile at this level.   

I don’t know if anyone is disputing it takes awhile at this level, and that’s why high expectations shouldn’t be placed on them until they are ready. Or not if the case may be.