Red Sox (Suarez) vs Yankees (Schlittler): 6/7/26, 1:35pm

[notin]

44 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

He was a top 20 prospect (BA) for a long, long time, but I don't think some people were reading the scouting report. 

Most people don’t know what BA ranking criteria is, either.  Myself included…

[JoeBrady]

3 hours ago, Old Red said:

This is the second time in his last 4 appearances that Slaten has given up 4 runs in less than an inning.🤭

Four games?  Well then, he is doomed.

[JoeBrady]

2 hours ago, Hugh2 said:

He slipped through a lot of fingers drafted in the 7th round.  Heck, the Yankees wouldn't have waited that long if they knew what he was.

No one has a crystal ball.  You don't know how every 17 year old is going to mentally and physically mature over the next several years. 

ROTFLMAO! at some of these comments.  My ideal is to join the biggest money fantasy league in the country, but I have to be able to draft my players AFTER THE SEASON IS OVER.

[Hugh2]

4 minutes ago, notin said:

So… not the Sox overhyping him? 

I think the term "overhyped" gets over used. 

No one can predict a humans future with 100% certainty. 

What organization isn't going to have high expectations for a kid drafted #4 who was ranked as the top draft prospect nationwide? 

He could still end up being an all star.....or a dud.  I don't think calling someone "overhyped" in hindsight is really fair.  If people want to say "I think he's a bust" that's a more defensible argument, still too early to say so in my opinion but at least it makes sense. 

[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

What we said was "that's the Red Sox's plan" not that it's what they should do.

They did exactly what they were supposed to do-promote a top prospect.  Every team does this, as in 100% of them.  How did Dominguez and Spencer Jones work out for the NYY?  Jackson Holliday for the Orioles?  Keaschell for the Twins.  Crawford, Painter, Crews, House, Frelick, Turang, PCA....

Give me a team, and I can find at least 2-3 prospects that either never worked out, or that took 1-2 years before they worked out.

[JoeBrady]

14 minutes ago, notin said:

Most people don’t know what BA ranking criteria is, either.  Myself included…

This is just more of the same insanity as suggesting that the RS should've drafted Schlittler in the 1st round.

[JoeBrady]

11 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

I think the term "overhyped" gets over used. 

It's actually worse than that.  There are people in here that think the Red Sox are the ones making up the top-100 lists for BA, MLB, FG, and BP.

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

They did exactly what they were supposed to do-promote a top prospect.  Every team does this, as in 100% of them.  How did Dominguez and Spencer Jones work out for the NYY?  Jackson Holliday for the Orioles?  Keaschell for the Twins.  Crawford, Painter, Crews, House, Frelick, Turang, PCA....

Give me a team, and I can find at least 2-3 prospects that either never worked out, or that took 1-2 years before they worked out.

Dominguez and Jones spent a ton of time in AAA this season. Holliday was sent down to AAA after struggling. Something Marcelo probably needs to do as well!!! Sox didn't have that in their plans. Maybe they should see how other orgs are handling their players? 

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

This is just more of the same insanity as suggesting that the RS should've drafted Schlittler in the 1st round.

Should have grabbed him outta High School at the very least. 

[Hugh2]

6 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

It's actually worse than that.  There are people in here that think the Red Sox are the ones making up the top-100 lists for BA, MLB, FG, and BP.

I haven't heard that one, but I believe it.  I believe people think the Sox influence those lists.  

But, even so, Mayer was ranked high as a top draft prospect before he was ever in the Sox system.

[bkzwhitestrican]

55 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

This is just more of the same insanity as suggesting that the RS should've drafted Schlittler in the 1st round.

No team knew what Schlittler would become, not even the Yankees. He had a 90 MPH fastball at the time he was drafted. Scouting reports had his ceiling as a swingman/long reliever if everything worked out. But he put on some muscle and went from a skinny string bean to a lanky celery stalk (and also tweaked his delivery), and gained 10mph on his fastball over a couple of seasons. Nobody could've predicted that. 

[Old Red]

1 hour ago, JoeBrady said:

It's actually worse than that.  There are people in here that think the Red Sox are the ones making up the top-100 lists for BA, MLB, FG, and BP.

Who thinks that? As I’ve said many times not all ranked suspects turn out to be good prospects. 

[Old Red]

55 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

I haven't heard that one, but I believe it.  I believe people think the Sox influence those lists.  

But, even so, Mayer was ranked high as a top draft prospect before he was ever in the Sox system.

I know lots of fans, and posters cling to rankings, and projections like they are the be all, know all, but sometimes they don’t turn out in the end all.

[notin]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

Dominguez and Jones spent a ton of time in AAA this season. Holliday was sent down to AAA after struggling. Something Marcelo probably needs to do as well!!! Sox didn't have that in their plans. Maybe they should see how other orgs are handling their players? 

Do you really think the Orioles brought up Holliday wuth the intent of demoting him later?  Ditto the Cubs with Shaw and the Yankees with Dominguez?  Or the DBacks with Jordan “How The f*** Did I Become A Hot Topic On A Red Sox Message Board?” Lawlar?

Marcelo might be demoted at some point, too.  Just because it didn’t happen by June 1 doesn’t mean it’s too late…

[notin]

4 minutes ago, Old Red said:

I know lots of fans, and posters cling to rankings, and projections like they are the be all, know all, but sometimes they don’t turn out in the end all.

Yeah, nobody f***ing does that.  But people who don’t like them like to pretend that so they get to label folks they disagree with as irrational and stubborn.

They do get cited because they exist and actually do have value as they are a quick summary of the opinions of professionals that many of us acknowledge know more than we do…

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, notin said:

Do you really think the Orioles brought up Holliday wuth the intent of demoting him later?  Ditto the Cubs with Shaw and the Yankees with Dominguez?  Or the DBacks with Jordan “How The f*** Did I Become A Hot Topic On A Red Sox Message Board?” Lawlar?

Marcelo might be demoted at some point, too.  Just because it didn’t happen by June 1 doesn’t mean it’s too late…

Did I say they did it with the INTENT to do it later? No. The other teams did recognize that the player wasn't progressing and needed additional time in AAA though! 

[notin]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

Did I say they did it with the INTENT to do it later? No. The other teams did recognize that the player wasn't progressing and needed additional time in AAA though! 

And Mayer has 320 career PA over 2 seasons and does risk getting sent down at some point.  Boston clearly showed with Campbell they are not opposed to the idea.

And you did say other 1) orgs demote struggling players 2) that the Sox didn’t have that in their plans, and 3) they need to pay attention to how struggling orgs handle their prospects.  So that can be interpreted in you saying that Boston clearly doesn’t intend to demote players and act like other orgs…

[mvp 78]

5 minutes ago, notin said:

And Mayer has 320 career PA over 2 seasons and does risk getting sent down at some point.  Boston clearly showed with Campbell they are not opposed to the idea…

The knock on him going into 2025 was that he struggled against offspeed pitching.

Vs MLB Offspeed Pitching

2025 17.3% of pitches, 125 BA, 292 SLG, 214 wOBA

2026 27.7% of pitches, 116 BA, 140 SLG, 163 wOBA

He just wasn't ready for the pitching from day one.

[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

Dominguez and Jones spent a ton of time in AAA this season. Holliday was sent down to AAA after struggling. Something Marcelo probably needs to do as well!!! Sox didn't have that in their plans. Maybe they should see how other orgs are handling their players? 

But they are still promoting and playing their prospects.  There are some in here that think that is an uncommon practice.  My point being that, even if it doesn't work out as well as a team would like, there is/was nothing wrong with promoting Mayer.

[JoeBrady]

31 minutes ago, bkzwhitestrican said:

Nobody could've predicted that. 

Someone had earlier blamed the RS for not drafting him.

[notin]

11 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

The knock on him going into 2025 was that he struggled against offspeed pitching.

Vs MLB Offspeed Pitching

2025 17.3% of pitches, 125 BA, 292 SLG, 214 wOBA

2026 27.7% of pitches, 116 BA, 140 SLG, 163 wOBA

He just wasn't ready for the pitching from day one.

Yes he was pressed into duty by an injury to Bregman, and Hes not being helped now by injuries to Story, Romy and Sogard.  Some health there and maybe he gets demoted.

Right now they have a bit of a shortage of starting infielders..

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, notin said:

Yes he was pressed into duty by an injury to Bregman, and Hes not being helped now by injuries to Story, Romy and Sogard.  Some health there and maybe he gets demoted.

Right now they have a bit of a shortage of starting infielders..

They have had guys on the 40 man roster all season long they could have brought up. This team is out of contention. They are closer to last place in AL than a WC. Do what's right for the team. Just swap out Mayer with Cheng and move on with the season. 

[Hugh2]

36 minutes ago, Old Red said:

I know lots of fans, and posters cling to rankings, and projections like they are the be all, know all, but sometimes they don’t turn out in the end all.

I don't think anyone clings to them like the know all be all.  I'm very ingrained in the world of prospectum and everyone is very aware that prospects will break your heart. 

It feels more like the opposite to me, a prospect is ranked very highly and prospect people get excited knowing they can bust and people who aren't into prospects are the ones who get all pouty about it when they don't pan out.  Pure conjecture on my part, but that's what it looks like to me. 

[notin]

8 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

They have had guys on the 40 man roster all season long they could have brought up. This team is out of contention. They are closer to last place in AL than a WC. Do what's right for the team. Just swap out Mayer with Cheng and move on with the season. 

Yeah I thought about Cheng as well.

My guess is the Sox view Mayer as their best SS, especially with IKF as the only other candidate often starting elsewhere, they let Mayer start for now.  If nothing gets better and the Sox fall out of contention and start trading folks, we might see Mayer get demoted and someone like Cheng replace him, as the Sox shift from doing what’s best for the team short term to doing what’s best for the team longer term.

I suspect Boston will act like you said, but they haven’t run up the white flag just yet…

[notin]

28 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

Someone had earlier blamed the RS for not drafting him.

I think that was more related to geography than anything else. 

 

Schlitter is fine snd all, but if I’m going to be upset about the Sox letting some local kid go to the Yankees, Ben Rice is a much bigger catastrophe…

[mvp 78]

22 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

I don't think anyone clings to them like the know all be all.  I'm very ingrained in the world of prospectum and everyone is very aware that prospects will break your heart. 

It feels more like the opposite to me, a prospect is ranked very highly and prospect people get excited knowing they can bust and people who aren't into prospects are the ones who get all pouty about it when they don't pan out.  Pure conjecture on my part, but that's what it looks like to me. 

I think people get excited to see guys called up because you just want to see what it will look like at the MLB level. With Mayer, there wasn't a real long look at any level and it's not like he was busting down the door anyway. 

[mvp 78]

17 minutes ago, notin said:

Yeah I thought about Cheng as well.

My guess is the Sox view Mayer as their best SS, especially with IKF as the only other candidate often starting elsewhere, they let Mayer start for now.  If nothing gets better and the Sox fall out of contention and start trading folks, we might see Mayer get demoted and someone like Cheng replace him, as the Sox shift from doing what’s best for the team short term to doing what’s best for the team longer term.

I suspect Boston will act like you said, but they haven’t run up the white flag just yet…

Personally, I'd send him down sooner so that he'd have a chance to come back later in the year. If they wait too long, Mayer probably wouldn't make it back until mid September after AAA is done. 

[JoeBrady]

28 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Who thinks that? As I’ve said many times not all ranked suspects turn out to be good prospects. 

I cannot tell you how often fans say that the RS overrate their prospects.  

[notin]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

I think people get excited to see guys called up because you just want to see what it will look like at the MLB level. With Mayer, there wasn't a real long look at any level and it's not like he was busting down the door anyway. 

If Bregman never got hurt, I doubt he gets called up at all last year.

Given the infield injuries this year, I’d expect we saw him debut at some point…

[notin]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

Personally, I'd send him down sooner so that he'd have a chance to come back later in the year. If they wait too long, Mayer probably wouldn't make it back until mid September after AAA is done. 

It’s easy for us to throw around white flags.  I don’t blame the Sox to try for a few more weeks…