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26 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

That includes a whole bunch of AAA hitters. Who cares. 

If you look at guys above 50 PA:

20th is 397 SLG (Oswald Peraza)

Durbin isn't even top 30 and that includes his recent hot stretch. 

Well, if AAA hitters are batting that much as 3Bmen, then that is a reason 3B is in decline. More of one than Durbin.

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7 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

And just because a pitch is thrown very hard, doesn't mean it's a good pitch.

Sometimes a 101 mph fastball just means you walk the hitter quicker than the guy throwing 96 mph…

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On 6/22/2026 at 10:13 AM, notin said:

If Harrison was here, he’d probably be mediocre at best.  Not like he showed this kind of potential in 3 years at Oracle.  
 

I do think Harrison falls back a little bit and that trade winds up being fairly equal. (I assumed the  swap of middle infielders - Hamilton for Monasterio - was due to Romy’s injury coupled with Monasterio’s numbers vs LHP last year.)

I do agree dumping all of Dobbins, Fitts and Harrison felt like a depth killer, especially since i didn’t have the faith in Tyler Uberstine the Sox apparently had.  I still don’t have any, either…

When we traded Devers, I thought Harrison was the prize of the return, but they must not have liked what they saw of him while at AAA. They went and traded for May and Matz rather than call him up.

Trading him may not have been more about "giving up on him" as the need and or like of getting Durbin and infield depth with Monasterio & Seigler, but clearly they didn't value him as highly as Dustin May.

BTW, it's not like Kyle never got a look-see. He was called up in 2023 and started 7 games. He started 24 games in 2024 and saw less action in 2025 w SFG, too. They must have soured on something, too, even before they traded him. Maybe it was the fact that he just wasn't doing very well. He had a career 1.297 WHIP w SFG in 183 IP.

BOS+SFG> MIL

ERA: 4.39>2.50

ERA+: 91>167

FIP: 4.43>3.04

WHIP 1.315>1.056

BB/9: 3.1>2.3

K/9: 8.8>10.9

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3 minutes ago, notin said:

Sometimes a 101 mph fastball just means you walk the hitter quicker than the guy throwing 96 mph…

Or it's thrown with less movement than a pitch thrown 96.

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What teams would be top buyers for gray and Chapman? ATL? CHC? Brew Crew? cards?

what would be a realistic return with more than a couple teams that should be interested?

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My first ask to be in a deal from each team for either player (Gray/Chapman)

some prospects I’d keep, and some I’d flip this winter…

From the Cards - Catcher Rainiel Rodriguez 

Atlanta - SS/2b Tate Southisene

CHC - OF Ethan Conrad or SP Jaxon Wiggins

 Brewers - I’d ask for Made (probably get hung up on ) then promptly call back and settle on Jett or Pratt.

 

These are just some off the top suggestions. I want top 10 prospects that we can either flip or fill in somewhere.

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43 minutes ago, southpaw777 said:

My first ask to be in a deal from each team for either player (Gray/Chapman)

some prospects I’d keep, and some I’d flip this winter…

From the Cards - Catcher Rainiel Rodriguez 

Atlanta - SS/2b Tate Southisene

CHC - OF Ethan Conrad or SP Jaxon Wiggins

 Brewers - I’d ask for Made (probably get hung up on ) then promptly call back and settle on Jett or Pratt.

 

These are just some off the top suggestions. I want top 10 prospects that we can either flip or fill in somewhere.

I have a hard enough time placing correct value on our own prospects. I have no idea what the best return might be. I'd hope we get major league ready prospects, because we can't handle a long rebuild plan.

The theory is that teams in the chase will overpay to fill a position of greta need, in hopes it gets them over the hump. Almost every playoff contender could use Gray.

Many already have a good enough closer and wouldn't want to mess him up by moving them to set-up to make way for Chapman. Chapman could be a huge boost to a few teams,

In the AL, all but two teams are more than 5.5 GB the wild card slot. In the NL, only 3 teams are more than 4.5 GB. I doubt 25 teams will bid on Gray, but several teams will call.

Duran, Coulombe, IDK, a catcher and Guerrero will not bring back significant vale.

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1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

I have a hard enough time placing correct value on our own prospects. I have no idea what the best return might be. I'd hope we get major league ready prospects, because we can't handle a long rebuild plan.

The theory is that teams in the chase will overpay to fill a position of greta need, in hopes it gets them over the hump. Almost every playoff contender could use Gray.

Many already have a good enough closer and wouldn't want to mess him up by moving them to set-up to make way for Chapman. Chapman could be a huge boost to a few teams,

In the AL, all but two teams are more than 5.5 GB the wild card slot. In the NL, only 3 teams are more than 4.5 GB. I doubt 25 teams will bid on Gray, but several teams will call.

Duran, Coulombe, IDK, a catcher and Guerrero will not bring back significant vale.

Guerrero I disagree on. If he keeps rolling along someone will give up something good. Not top prospect good but better than the guys you listed him with. Late innings 103 with control is BIG at the deadline

duran seems better suited for an offseason trade. Breslow missed on trading him last year because he overvalued him. He’s not having a great year. We’ll see on him.

and as I write this, Guerrero, along with an error and excuse me hit gives up a couple runs…thanks Marcelo

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