Early Trade deadline deals the selling Sox should make

[notin]

1 hour ago, harmony said:

Would anyone trade reliever Garrett Whitock to the Mariners for two prospects -- shortstop Felnin Celesten and catcher Luke Stevenson -- as proposed by a Seattle podcaster?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdOOESluea4

... at about 23:00.

In his late May prospect list, Keith Law ranked the 20-year-old Celesten No. 17 overall and included the 21-year-old Stevenson among "other players who weren’t on my preseason top 100 ranking but are heading towards next winter’s list."

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7311086/2026/05/28/mlb-prospects-top-50-midseason-update/

Whitlock has a 2026 salary of $7.5 million with am $8.25 club option for 2027 and a $10.5 million club option for 2028.

Stevenson seems to be frequently linked to Boston in deadline deals amongst the Clickbait Correspondents, almost always in deals for Chapman..

Not entirely sure Boston is willing to move Whitlock just yet.  Chapman feels far more likely to move…

[moonslav59]

11 minutes ago, notin said:

Or Cora believed in catering to the whiny so as to keep the peace…

He thinks Cora would have moved Raffy back to 3B upong Breggie's departure. That's too funny, and would have been reason enough to fire Cora the day after opening day.

[moonslav59]

8 minutes ago, notin said:

Not entirely sure Boston is willing to move Whitlock just yet.  Chapman feels far more likely to move…

Even if Brez & Co want to move players under control after 2027, most notably Contreras & Whitlock, I'm not sure they can give the appearance this is a total tear-down rebuild to the fanbase. (Trading Duran is in a different category.)

[notin]

6 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

He thinks Cora would have moved Raffy back to 3B upong Breggie's departure. That's too funny, and would have been reason enough to fire Cora the day after opening day.

Cora clearly wanted Devers off third because Cora is and was all about metrics.  If Devers left third quietly, absolutely no way that upsets Cora and no way does he ever put him back…

[notin]

So I have been looking at the “predicted” deals amongst the Clickbait Crowd, where trades are often intentionally lop-sided so as to elicit guaranteed reactions from one fanbase or the other.

Best one to date - Sonny Gray to the Cubs for Matt Shaw and Jon Long.  Certainly the Cubs could use Gray, given that half their staff is injured.  But that’s a steep price for essentially a rental.  Don’t get me wrong; if the Sox can get Shaw for 2 months of Gray, I am obviously so behind that move.  I just think the Cubs aren’t that stupid.

I could see them parting with Long for Gray.  Hopefully Long plus.  But Long plus Shaw is beyond a stretch IMO…

[Old Red]

18 minutes ago, notin said:

Cora clearly wanted Devers off third because Cora is and was all about metrics.  If Devers left third quietly, absolutely no way that upsets Cora and no way does he ever put him back…

Cora is all about metrics.? What metrics told Cora to put Franchy on 1B, or Arroyo in RF, or keep Kike at SS as long as he did, or do a revolving door of 11 at 2B. Which metrics told Cora to do that? Your clearly is just like your so called proof on signing Raffy is doesn’t pass the smell test. If Brez doesn’t butt in last year Raffy would have stayed at 3B, and Cora would still be here, and so would Raffy at 3B IMO. Your clearly, and proof are just imaginary, and nothing else.

[Old Red]

35 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

He thinks Cora would have moved Raffy back to 3B upong Breggie's departure. That's too funny, and would have been reason enough to fire Cora the day after opening day.

Where did anyone say they thought Raffy would have moved back to 3B. Where, where, where. You know what thought did. Oops. You did it.

[vjcsmoke]

Anyone remember the Red Sox turning down this trade offer for Duran last year?

We would have received Dylan Cease, Ethan Salas, and a 2nd prospect.

Breslow should have been fired then. His failure to move Duran with a logjammed outfield is criminal negligence.

Now Duran is so bad nobody will offer anything of value for him. .194 BA .599 OPS 69 OPS+.

Dylan Cease this year: 2.79 ERA 90.1 IP 137 K 163 ERA+ 2.26 FIP and 1.185 WHIP. Those numbers are pretty darn good. He would have been a good arm to have in place when we lost Early to injury.

Again, someone explain to me why Breslow still has a job OR why he shouldn't be fired as soon as this season is up?

[moonslav59]

31 minutes ago, notin said:

Cora clearly wanted Devers off third because Cora is and was all about metrics.  If Devers left third quietly, absolutely no way that upsets Cora and no way does he ever put him back…

No way he'd put him back, but Cora was considering Bregman at 2B, so I'm not so sure how "clear" that idea was to him.

IMO, he didn't want to face Devers to tell him to move to DH or 1B. He must have valued "team peace" close to as highly as what the best defensive alignment was. He did ultimately decide on Bregman at 3B, so yes, he valued defense more than keeping Devers happy. Maybe he relented to Brez, and 'really want to do it, but I find it hard to imagine a defensive-minded player like Cora would not see what was best for the team defense.

Team harmony & peace are important, too, and keeping your  top stars happy is part of the job. Cora & Brez missed the boat on that one, and obviously handled the whole situation like a train wreck. The media didn't help either, and I do think some comments by Devers were taken out of context and nuance, but it ended up becoming a cluster you-know-what. Intentionally orchestrated or not, Nudges a little bit or not, just plain botched as more likely, we ended up losing a big bat we sorely needed, this year.

If we figure the money saved gained us Contreras and Suarez, then okay, but we still needed another bat. That makes losing Devers more painful.

[moonslav59]

5 minutes ago, vjcsmoke said:

Anyone remember the Red Sox turning down this trade offer for Duran last year?

We would have received Dylan Cease, Ethan Salas, and a 2nd prospect.

Breslow should have been fired then. His failure to move Duran with a logjammed outfield is criminal negligence.

Now Duran is so bad nobody will offer anything of value for him. .194 BA .599 OPS 69 OPS+.

Dylan Cease this year: 2.79 ERA 90.1 IP 137 K 163 ERA+ 2.26 FIP and 1.185 WHIP. Those numbers are pretty darn good. He would have been a good arm to have in place when we lost Early to injury.

Again, someone explain to me why Breslow still has a job OR why he shouldn't be fired as soon as this season is up?

Cease was just a rental, and Salas is under .700 in over 1000 minor league PAs. Had Duran done well this year, we'd be treating this like the Sale and Harrison trades.

[notin]

18 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Cora is all about metrics.? What metrics told Cora to put Franchy on 1B, or Arroyo in RF, or keep Kike at SS as long as he did, or do a revolving door of 11 at 2B. Which metrics told Cora to do that? Your clearly is just like your so called proof on signing Raffy is doesn’t pass the smell test. If Brez doesn’t butt in last year Raffy would have stayed at 3B, and Cora would still be here, and so would Raffy at 3B IMO. Your clearly, and proof are just imaginary, and nothing else.

No idea, but now you’re just being contrarian.  Cora was hired in Boston because of his metrics knowledge and usage in Houston.  Tjis has been established in numerous articles, books, etc. If your proof is “he played Franchy at 1b,” then no idea what to tell you.  That’s not a decision that was made by any method of baseball logic.

But yes, Cora has a strong reputation for metrics.  And you disputing this or not being convinced doesn’t change that fact…

[Old Red]

5 minutes ago, notin said:

No idea, but now you’re just being contrarian.  Cora was hired in Boston because of his metrics knowledge and usage in Houston.  Tjis has been established in numerous articles, books, etc. If your proof is “he played Franchy at 1b,” then no idea what to tell you.  That’s not a decision that was made by any method of baseball logic.

But yes, Cora has a strong reputation for metrics.  And you disputing this or not being convinced doesn’t change that fact…

Where did i dispute that Cora has a strong reputation for metrics? Where, where, where? I just asked what metrics told him to make all the moves I listed, or keep Raffy at 3B for that matter.  Your accusation I disputed Cora, and metrics is baseless, and faceless. 🤭

[notin]

48 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Where did i dispute that Cora has a strong reputation for metrics? Where, where, where? I just asked what metrics told him to make all the moves I listed, or keep Raffy at 3B for that matter.  Your accusation I disputed Cora, and metrics is baseless, and faceless. 🤭

“Cora is all about metrics.? What metrics told Cora to put Franchy on 1B, or Arroyo in RF, or keep Kike at SS as long as he did, or do a revolving door of 11 at 2B. Which metrics told Cora to do that?”

 

Do you think that comes across as:

1. Based on these decisions, I challenge your assertion that Cora uses metrics at all, let alone is one of MLB’s foremost experts.

Or 

2. I agree Cora uses metrics, but I do wonder which one lead to these questionable decisions.

i mean, you put a f***ing question mark after “Cora is all about metrics.”  And then followed it up.  In case you’re wondering, yes putting that question mark there absolutely signifies questioning the statement.  Don’t blame me for that.  I had no say in the rules of grammar.  But it does lock it down that choosing option 2 is tantamount to illiteracy.

Why not just challenge my sources anout Cora?  Much smarter play here. (Hint: Bear in mind they do exist.  I didn’t make that statement about him because I know him.)

Your best bet here is to confess you were indeed questioning and ask for sources…

[Old Red]

13 minutes ago, notin said:

“Cora is all about metrics.? What metrics told Cora to put Franchy on 1B, or Arroyo in RF, or keep Kike at SS as long as he did, or do a revolving door of 11 at 2B. Which metrics told Cora to do that?”

 

Do you think that comes across as:

1. Based on these decisions, I challenge your assertion that Cora uses metrics at all, let alone is one of MLB’s foremost experts.

Or 

2. I agree Cora uses metrics, but I do wonder which one lead to these questionable decisions.

i mean, you put a f***ing question mark after “Cora is all about metrics.”  And then followed it up.  In case you’re wondering, yes putting that question mark there absolutely signifies questioning the statement.  Don’t blame me for that.  I had no say in the rules of grammar.  But it does lock it down that choosing option 2 is tantamount to illiteracy.

Why not just challenge my sources anout Cora?  Much smarter play here. (Hint: Bear in mind they do exist.  I didn’t make that statement about him because I know him.)

Your best bet here is to confess you were indeed questioning and ask for sources…

Question marks? As usual over analyzing, seeing what you want to see, and getting it wrong. Iron Sheik to you. Imagine analyzing a question mark. Analyzing every letter of every word, and quotations is certainly not a gift.🙈🤮

[notin]

7 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Question marks? As usual over analyzing, seeing what you want to see, and getting it wrong. Iron Sheik to you. Imagine analyzing a question mark. Analyzing every letter of every word, and quotations is certainly not a gift.🙈🤮

Oh please.  You knew what you were saying, and it goes far beyond punctuation.  Well, at least I use people’s quotes and don’t make ones and assign them to people.

I also see you chose illiteracy.  And cowardice…  😉

[Old Red]

12 minutes ago, notin said:

Oh please.  You knew what you were saying, and it goes far beyond punctuation.  Well, at least I use people’s quotes and don’t make ones and assign them to people.

I also see you chose illiteracy.  And cowardice…  😉

Huh? Yes I KNOW what I’m doing, and saying, but you’ve proven time, and time again you DON’T know what I’m doing. Your analysis is second to none, and it’s definitely not top notch. You’re doing the Limbo. How Low Can You Go? NNN. 

[harmony]

4 hours ago, harmony said:

Would anyone trade reliever Garrett Whitock to the Mariners for two prospects -- shortstop Felnin Celesten and catcher Luke Stevenson -- as proposed by a Seattle podcaster?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdOOESluea4

... at about 23:00.

In his late May prospect list, Keith Law ranked the 20-year-old Celesten No. 17 overall and included the 21-year-old Stevenson among "other players who weren’t on my preseason top 100 ranking but are heading towards next winter’s list."

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7311086/2026/05/28/mlb-prospects-top-50-midseason-update/

Whitlock has a 2026 salary of $7.5 million with am $8.25 club option for 2027 and a $10.5 million club option for 2028.

Heathcliff Slocumb redux?😁😁😁

[moonslav59]

24 minutes ago, harmony said:

Heathcliff Slocumb redux?😁😁😁

How close to the bigs are the two prospects SEA sends to BOS?

[notin]

34 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Huh? Yes I KNOW what I’m doing, and saying, but you’ve proven time, and time again you DON’T know what I’m doing. Your analysis is second to none, and it’s definitely not top notch. You’re doing the Limbo. How Low Can You Go? NNN. 

Whatever.  Most (all?) people who read that thread will thinks “Is Old Red serious?  He thinks that was asking which metrics?  And more important, does he actually think that this new blatantly made up story still isnt challenging the assertion that Cora is dedicated to metrics? Or is that how he asks for things?  Like he’s just super rude?”

 

[Old Red]

4 minutes ago, notin said:

Whatever.  Most (all?) people who read that thread will thinks “Is Old Red serious?  He thinks that was asking which metrics?  And more important, does he actually think that this new blatantly made up story still isnt challenging the assertion that Cora is dedicated to metrics? Or is that how he asks for things?  Like he’s just super rude?”

 

Ah the more you roast, and the more you boast you just come out being wrong the most. That’s OK, because someone has to do it, and you’re good at it. Keep up the good work, and maybe someday you may actually get something right. NNN.🤔

[moonslav59]

6 minutes ago, notin said:

Whatever.  Most (all?) people who read that thread will thinks “Is Old Red serious?  He thinks that was asking which metrics?  And more important, does he actually think that this new blatantly made up story still isnt challenging the assertion that Cora is dedicated to metrics? Or is that how he asks for things?  Like he’s just super rude?”

 

He has his own meanings for words and apparently punctuation, now too.

If you call him out, you are "over analyzing." It's his fallback rather than adjusting or defending his comment.

He's not worth responding to. Look up the word "Churlish" and his picture is there.

 

[harmony]

10 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

How close to the bigs are the two prospects SEA sends to BOS?

Felnin Celesten and Luke Stevenson are curently with the Everett AquaSox of the High A Northwest League.

MLB Prospects gives Celesten and Stevenson ETAs of 2028.

https://www.mlb.com/milb/prospects/mariners/

[moonslav59]

Despite last nights win, I'm still in the "sell camp."

That could change with a sweep, but even then, I'd be on the fence.

[moonslav59]

Just now, harmony said:

Felnin Celesten and Luke Stevenson are curently with the Everett AquaSox of the High A Northwest League.

MLB Prospects gives Celesten and Stevenson ETAs of 2028.

https://www.mlb.com/milb/prospects/mariners/

Thanks. I still think this is a type of deal we might make, but the other "sells" would have to be more 2027-centric.

[Old Red]

11 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

He has his own meanings for words and apparently punctuation, now too.

If you call him out, you are "over analyzing." It's his fallback rather than adjusting or defending his comment.

He's not worth responding to. Look up the word "Churlish" and his picture is there.

 

Pay NO attention to the man behind the curtain where he hides, and resides. Phony, and a fraud is his game, but.he keeps posting just the same. Definitely not a Wizard, but maybe a wiz.🤫

[southpaw777]

15 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Pay NO attention to the man behind the curtain where he hides, and resides. Phony, and a fraud is his game, but.he keeps posting just the same. Definitely not a Wizard, but maybe a wiz.🤫

Reminds me of the old Boston.com days with y’all😅