Early Trade deadline deals the selling Sox should make

[Old Red]

49 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

He's also a supremely cooler ballplayer and more fun to watch.

That I’ll agree with.

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, Old Red said:

That I’ll agree with.

Just start agreeing with all my posts. It'd be easier on both of us. 

[Old Red]

20 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Just start agreeing with all my posts. It'd be easier on both of us. 

I’m not a SAM to JH.

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, Old Red said:

I’m not a SAM to JH.

Maybe you should be. 

 

[notin]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

I think Eyanson is probably undervalued ATM on BTV. I don't think they do a great job at valuing guys who don't already have established MLB careers. 

Who else? I'd go with any 2 guys from 15 and below. A lot less value now that this year is shot for both teams. 

I don’t disagree with their evaluations on minor leaguers.  So few of them carry much trade value.  And theyre not the site projecting future performance.

 

That said, still not giving up Eyanson (or Witherspoon) for Paredes…

 

[notin]

37 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Just start agreeing with all my posts. It'd be easier on both of us. 

I could say the same to you…

[mvp 78]

15 minutes ago, notin said:

I don’t disagree with their evaluations on minor leaguers.  So few of them carry much trade value.  And theyre not the site projecting future performance.

 

That said, still not giving up Eyanson (or Witherspoon) for Paredes…

They can have an injured Valera. 

[mvp 78]

15 minutes ago, notin said:

I could say the same to you…

You could, but I won't listen. 

[notin]

4 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

You could, but I won't listen. 

Just as well as this is not an audible medium…

[mvp 78]

12 minutes ago, notin said:

Just as well as this is not an audible medium…

My kids are already on break so I have them dictate all these posts to me. I'll have them skip over yours. 

[notin]

9 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

My kids are already on break so I have them dictate all these posts to me. I'll have them skip over yours. 

Am I correct in assuming they’re dictating the responses to you as well?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

2 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Parades for Eyanson? Pass. 

But aren't we a little more sober lately comparing minor league prospects to established big leaguers?

Paredes was an MLB All-Star the past two years. Eyanson is a good minor league pitcher... but so was Bryan Bello to some extent. 

When it comes to pitchers, though, I trust the prospects coming out of D1 and the SEC more than the DR summer league.

It may kill Brez to see so many of his traded pitchers succeed elsewhere, but someone as calculated as he must have known he was hoarding prospect capital when drafting all those big arms last summer.

Gotta give to get. If the Red Sox really want to turn this debacle around -- by next season -- they need to trade Eyanson, Witherspoon, Phillips and Holobetz for four Paredeseseses.

[notin]

9 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

 

It may kill Brez to see so many of his traded pitchers succeed elsewhere, but someone as calculated as he must have known he was hoarding prospect capital when drafting all those big arms last summer.

 

He’s probably traded away as many pitchers doing nothing, and most of them were pitchers he’s traded for at some point.

I think the only homegrown pitcher Hes traded away are Hunter Dobbins and Luis Perales.  Others like Harrison, Priester and Fitts just briefly passed through the Sox system, and only Harrison cost any quality to get.

He did give away Sale, but at the time Sale there was no reason to believe he was going to return to Elite Chris Sale…

[mvp 78]

35 minutes ago, notin said:

Am I correct in assuming they’re dictating the responses to you as well?

6-7-6-7-6-7-6-7

[notin]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

6-7-6-7-6-7-6-7

As Mets fans in the 80’s used to say before disembarking for home games -  “touché”

[mvp 78]

38 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

But aren't we a little more sober lately comparing minor league prospects to established big leaguers?

Paredes was an MLB All-Star the past two years. Eyanson is a good minor league pitcher... but so was Bryan Bello to some extent. 

When it comes to pitchers, though, I trust the prospects coming out of D1 and the SEC more than the DR summer league.

It may kill Brez to see so many of his traded pitchers succeed elsewhere, but someone as calculated as he must have known he was hoarding prospect capital when drafting all those big arms last summer.

Gotta give to get. If the Red Sox really want to turn this debacle around -- by next season -- they need to trade Eyanson, Witherspoon, Phillips and Holobetz for four Paredeseseses.

If Paredes had more than '27 left on his deal, it could be worth it to deal a big arm for him. This season is lost, there's no value to having him this year. One year of Paredes (3 fWAR maybe) vs 6 years of Eyanson? It's not even close IMO. 

If they want a bat, they can use Eyanson to get someone better than Paredes IMO. 

[Sthpaw777]

6 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Parades for Eyanson? Pass. 

Yeah, pass for sure. 

[vegasbob]

9 hours ago, notin said:

His contract limits his appeal.  But if the Sox could pry Sean Murphy (2yrs $30mill) from Atlanta where he is now the world’s most expensive backup catcher, it makes sense to add him as a RHH C/1b/DH bat. 
 

And Atlanta could stop activating Carlos Carrasco types.  Leave Carlos alone!! His right arm is attached by maybe 3-5 cells  at this point!! The man has had more surgeries than the entire cast of every “Real Housewives” program combined!!

Although if any team can do something with Bello (questionable), then his contract for a bulk innings pitcher or #5 starter is not terrible at about $9 million per.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

18 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

If Paredes had more than '27 left on his deal, it could be worth it to deal a big arm for him. This season is lost, there's no value to having him this year. One year of Paredes (3 fWAR maybe) vs 6 years of Eyanson? It's not even close IMO. 

If they want a bat, they can use Eyanson to get someone better than Paredes IMO. 

I wasn't considering years of control, because the Red Sox have no choice but to extend any decent bats they acquire if they don't want the batting order to keep sinking back into Breslow's Sargashole Sea.

Let's face it, there's no immediate big league punch coming from any Boston prospects -- even those recently graduated -- and there's not much available in coming free agency.

And I don't care about years of control for young pitchers, since they almost all get hurt and become unreliable. Teams that discover a rare Skenes or Miz will probably extend them anyway -- but even that's a Bello or Crochet risk... I wouldn't sniff a Boras demand for a guy like Skubal, who's been brittle and bitchy since he bailed on his teammates and country in the WBC.

[notin]

2 hours ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

I wasn't considering years of control, because the Red Sox have no choice but to extend any decent bats they acquire if they don't want the batting order to keep sinking back into Breslow's Sargashole Sea.

Let's face it, there's no immediate big league punch coming from any Boston prospects -- even those recently graduated -- and there's not much available in coming free agency.

And I don't care about years of control for young pitchers, since they almost all get hurt and become unreliable. Teams that discover a rare Skenes or Miz will probably extend them anyway -- but even that's a Bello or Crochet risk... I wouldn't sniff a Boras demand for a guy like Skubal, who's been brittle and bitchy since he bailed on his teammates and country in the WBC.

Which begs the question - is Paredes the bat worth extending?  Were he a capable 3b, thats different..  But he’s kind of shoddy there.  And while he represents an upgrade at DH, that isn’t exactly the toughest role to fill.  I mean, the long forgotten Triston Casas probably represents an upgrade at DH, once he figures out how to make routine baseball plays without maiming himself.

I think the DH position upgrades itself when Anthony returns.  Which begs the question, if you’re trading your top pitching prospect in this deal, where will Paredes play long term?

Edited 17 hours ago by notin

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

56 minutes ago, notin said:

Which begs the question - is Paredes the bat worth extending?  Were he a capable 3b, thats different..  But he’s kind of shoddy there.  And while he represents an upgrade at DH, that isn’t exactly the toughest role to fill.  I mean, the long forgotten Triston Casas probably represents an upgrade at DH, once he figures out how to make routine baseball plays without maiming himself.

I think the DH position upgrades itself when Anthony returns.  Which begs the question, if you’re trading your top pitching prospect in this deal, where will Paredes play long term?

All good questions, but remember I'm not obsessed with Paredes the player -- just that the Red Sox need about four MAJOR LEAGUE bats like his asap if they want to turn this debacle around and contend again, even by the next season (whenever that is).

And as I said, I have no problem trading Boston's top four pitching prospects for legitimate big league talent, because realistically, that's what it may take to make the impact changes the Sox need.

[notin]

1 hour ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

All good questions, but remember I'm not obsessed with Paredes the player -- just that the Red Sox need about four MAJOR LEAGUE bats like his asap if they want to turn this debacle around and contend again, even by the next season (whenever that is).

And as I said, I have no problem trading Boston's top four pitching prospects for legitimate big league talent, because realistically, that's what it may take to make the impact changes the Sox need.

Four major league bats? That number goes up daily.

Which four starting hitters would you replace? 

[vegasbob]

1 hour ago, notin said:

Four major league bats? That number goes up daily.

Which four starting hitters would you replace? 

Good question , hard to answer in reality but try this:    DFA ( assumes can't trade)  Yoshida for a RHH DH,  upgrade from Monasterio  ( use a possibly a refurbished Romy G.,),   ,  Move Wong  and go with Gasper/Narvaez behind the plate , ,add OF/1Bman to bench.    Still will need to make room for Story when/if he returns so maybe Mayer goes to AAA if his hitting stays cold .  

So Romy and OF/1B are 2 of the 4 bats , Story and Monasterio's replacement are the other 2.    This is not the result desired in terms of adding 4 real hitters but the team still needs to just play out this season .

Note that Casass could become the DH but I truly do not expect him on the team actively until rosters expand in September .