Another lost season

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

23 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

It needs to be a never ending cycle of adding young guys and complimenting them with veteran players. You just can't be wholly reliant on the young guys being ready in years 1 and 2. You have to live with a rollercoaster ride. Annointing them the saviors of the franchise is really dumb!

When I typed this over and over this winter I thought I was a voice of reason. 

Unfortunately, giving an opinion that disagrees with the ego in charge -- or even just reporting the facts -- may be called a voice of treason by the commander in grief.

[mvp 78]

 

[Duran Is The Man]

48 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

 

oh cool! another way to quantify how bad they suck.

[moonslav59]

On 5/18/2026 at 11:17 AM, mvp 78 said:

Nobody wants Duran right now. Have you watched this team in 2026? 

Nobody wanted him in January.

[vjcsmoke]

Caleb Durbin just got benched.

Going CHEAP to address replacing the loss of Devers and Bregman did not pay off.

Durbin is floundering with a .491 OPS.

Regardless if his defense is above average, he has made himself unplayable.

Red Sox front office should all be fired and replaced.

They changed all the coaches, but why is Breslow still there?

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, vjcsmoke said:

Going CHEAP to address replacing the loss of Devers and Bregman did not pay off.

We coulda, shoulda, musta spent more than we did, but...

New 2026 AAV/ New Money

$41M Gray ($20M by STL)

$28.3 Crochet (Ext)

$26.0M Suarez

$18.6M Contreras ($4M by STL)

$16.3M Anthony (Ext)

$7.5M Campbell (Ext)

$6M IKF

(I won't count the Chapman extension and Duran raise.)

I'm sure one poster will take this as "defending Brez," but it's just the facts.

Yes, Henry was cheap for way too long, and this is too late but hardy just a little.

 

[UtahSox]

52 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

We coulda, shoulda, musta spent more than we did, but...

New 2026 AAV/ New Money

$41M Gray ($20M by STL)

$28.3 Crochet (Ext)

$26.0M Suarez

$18.6M Contreras ($4M by STL)

$16.3M Anthony (Ext)

$7.5M Campbell (Ext)

$6M IKF

(I won't count the Chapman extension and Duran raise.)

I'm sure one poster will take this as "defending Brez," but it's just the facts.

Yes, Henry was cheap for way too long, and this is too late but hardy just a little.

 

Could have saved 26 million not signing weird crappy utility IF, and not paying guys we already have locked up for the next 6 years. Thats about what a Bregman deal would have been….. hmmmmmm 

[moonslav59]

7 hours ago, UtahSox said:

Could have saved 26 million not signing weird crappy utility IF, and not paying guys we already have locked up for the next 6 years. Thats about what a Bregman deal would have been….. hmmmmmm 

Just because many of the prospects haven't done well right out of the gate (plus Bello) doesn't make Bregman worth $21M let alone $26M x 5.

He's not worth it, now, and it will look even worse years 3 to 5.

[Old Red]

8 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

We coulda, shoulda, musta spent more than we did, but...

New 2026 AAV/ New Money

$41M Gray ($20M by STL)

$28.3 Crochet (Ext)

$26.0M Suarez

$18.6M Contreras ($4M by STL)

$16.3M Anthony (Ext)

$7.5M Campbell (Ext)

$6M IKF

(I won't count the Chapman extension and Duran raise.)

I'm sure one poster will take this as "defending Brez," but it's just the facts.

Yes, Henry was cheap for way too long, and this is too late but hardy just a little.

 

Just because you may be pointing out some facts DOESN’T mean your not Defending Brez.🤭

[notin]

7 hours ago, UtahSox said:

Could have saved 26 million not signing weird crappy utility IF, and not paying guys we already have locked up for the next 6 years. Thats about what a Bregman deal would have been….. hmmmmmm 

Huh?

Bregman signed a deal for $175million, slightly more than $26million.

Even if you mean AAV, his deal $35mill per year, it’s still more than $26mill.  If you disagree and think it’s not much more, can I borrow $9mill?

[mvp 78]

11 hours ago, vjcsmoke said:

They changed all the coaches, but why is Breslow still there?

Lots of coaches will take the gig. Nobody left to fill the CBO position if they fire Brez. 

[drewski6]

2 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Lots of coaches will take the gig. Nobody left to fill the CBO position if they fire Brez. 

Im pretty sure, they can find a guy who will take the job.  And its hard to be worse than Brez when you include the ugly divorces/treatment/drama and that stuff matters to me.  But I respect how to some , whatever just win.  But for me, as a guy who cares about things outside of baseball (e.g. firing Tek then lying about it), its hard to be worse than Brez.

Ill take last place but without hocking loogies on the face of my childhood heroes over last place and power tripping egomania.

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Im pretty sure, they can find a guy who will take the job.  

Brez was 12th in line last go around. It will be even further down the list of resumés this time. If you don't like Brez, just wait until the next even more inexperienced guy comes aboard. He may be even more impossible to communicate with. John Henry has created a FO atmosphere that is so toxic that it's not a serious job opportunity.

[drewski6]

2 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Brez was 12th in line last go around. It will be even further down the list of resumés this time. If you don't like Brez, just wait until the next even more inexperienced guy comes aboard. He may be even more impossible to communicate with. John Henry has created a FO atmosphere that is so toxic that it's not a serious job opportunity.

im ready to take my chances on the next guy.  Im done listening to Breslow go on and on about how he is the cbo.  He sounds like me when im pretending that Im trick williams.  Trick williams, I agree, isnt taking the job.  

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, drewski6 said:

im ready to take my chances on the next guy.  Im done listening to Breslow go on and on about how he is the cbo.  He sounds like me when im pretending that Im trick williams.  Trick williams, I agree, isnt taking the job.  

He won't be the CBO forever, but you're stuck with him for a while. 

[drewski6]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

He won't be the CBO forever, but you're stuck with him for a while. 

last place after yr 3 with a list of ugly fall-outs isnt the deathblow?  Not sure it will be , but im holding out hope.

[drewski6]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

He won't be the CBO forever, but you're stuck with him for a while. 

genuine q: you worried at all about the conflict of interest?  

LIke if Sox need a herculean lift and a longshot winning streak to make playoffs and prob math says better of selling but brez knows that the only way he keeps his job is to finish strong and climb out of gutter so he buys at deadline for selfish reasons

[Old Red]

2 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Brez was 12th in line last go around. It will be even further down the list of resumés this time. If you don't like Brez, just wait until the next even more inexperienced guy comes aboard. He may be even more impossible to communicate with. John Henry has created a FO atmosphere that is so toxic that it's not a serious job opportunity.

So when Sam said Boston is the place where everyone would want to be before Brez was hired was just spin, and grin?🤔

[mvp 78]

9 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

genuine q: you worried at all about the conflict of interest?  

LIke if Sox need a herculean lift and a longshot winning streak to make playoffs and prob math says better of selling but brez knows that the only way he keeps his job is to finish strong and climb out of gutter so he buys at deadline for selfish reasons

This dude has made bad trades when he's trying to do the RIGHT things. I'm not sure it's going to be worse when he's trying to make the wrong trades. I can't worry about him acting in bad faith two months from now. We're not there yet. 

John Henry painted himself into a corner by going 4 years with Ben (and a WS), 4 years with DD (and a WS) and 4 years with Bloom (and a completely rebuilt farm system 30th to 1st, which was the main goal). He can't have this job continue to be a turnstile. It's not a car dealership where he can find a general manager off the street. There are only so many people in the world that can do the job and he's running out of willing candidates. 

[mvp 78]

19 minutes ago, Old Red said:

So when Sam said Boston is the place where everyone would want to be before Brez was hired was just spin, and grin?🤔

You believe anything Sam says? Honestly? 

[Old Red]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

You believe anything Sam says? Honestly? 

I didn’t believe him when he said it, but it pretty funny that Sam says these things in the first place.

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, Old Red said:

I didn’t believe him when he said it, but it pretty funny that Sam says these things in the first place.

People in Brookline didn't slap him enough growing up. Gen X was too busy drinking water from the hose to do what needed to be done in the 1980's: bully Sam Kennedy. 

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Brez was 12th in line last go around. It will be even further down the list of resumés this time. If you don't like Brez, just wait until the next even more inexperienced guy comes aboard. He may be even more impossible to communicate with. John Henry has created a FO atmosphere that is so toxic that it's not a serious job opportunity.

This whole 12th in line thing is speculation, but it has been repeated so many times, it is viewed as fact, now.

Teams interview or ask people to be interviewed all the time and not necessarily in order of who they want. It is also now true that everyone they interview, they'd end up wanting after the interview.

One could argue some interviews are given for other reasons, besides a possible interest in hiring the chosen one. Maybe they wanted to pick their brain and get some ideas. (This is not to say it happened here.)

I'm not arguing the atmosphere is anything but toxic, but no way anyone knows if Brez was pick #12 or #2 or even #22.

[moonslav59]

22 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

This dude has made bad trades when he's trying to do the RIGHT things. I'm not sure it's going to be worse when he's trying to make the wrong trades. I can't worry about him acting in bad faith two months from now. We're not there yet. 

John Henry painted himself into a corner by going 4 years with Ben (and a WS), 4 years with DD (and a WS) and 4 years with Bloom (and a completely rebuilt farm system 30th to 1st, which was the main goal). He can't have this job continue to be a turnstile. It's not a car dealership where he can find a general manager off the street. There are only so many people in the world that can do the job and he's running out of willing candidates. 

Take Brez's 5, 6, 7...10, whatever you choose, biggest trades and grade them.

[Old Red]

28 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

This whole 12th in line thing is speculation, but it has been repeated so many times, it is viewed as fact, now.

Teams interview or ask people to be interviewed all the time and not necessarily in order of who they want. It is also now true that everyone they interview, they'd end up wanting after the interview.

One could argue some interviews are given for other reasons, besides a possible interest in hiring the chosen one. Maybe they wanted to pick their brain and get some ideas. (This is not to say it happened here.)

I'm not arguing the atmosphere is anything but toxic, but no way anyone knows if Brez was pick #12 or #2 or even #22.

The exact number might not be 12, but it’s pretty darn close.

NG

Falvey

Gomes

Fuld

Daniels

Hazen

Sawdaye

HILL

Raquel

These 9 all declined, and Click interviewed, and pulled himself out. I don’t know what point you were trying to conjure up, but you certainly DIDN’T have one. Come on man! I thought you were better than this..🙈

[moonslav59]

Nobody has any proof that 11 people were offered the job and said no. One was not allowed to interview by his current team. Some declined to interview for various reasons. How many were offered the job and declined?

I'll wait forever for the 11 links, but I know I will keep hearing "12th pick" again and again.

Like I said, maybe he was they 2nd choice- maybe the 22nd, and maybe the 12th, but nobody has the proof.

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2023/10/mlb-notebook-inside-the-job-search-that-landed-craig-breslow-with-red-sox-mcadam.html

[Old Red]

7 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Nobody has any proof that 11 people were offered the job and said no. One was not allowed to interview by his current team. Some declined to interview for various reasons. How many were offered the job and declined?

I'll wait forever for the 11 links, but I know I will keep hearing "12th pick" again and again.

Like I said, maybe he was they 2nd choice- maybe the 22nd, and maybe the 12th, but nobody has the proof.

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2023/10/mlb-notebook-inside-the-job-search-that-landed-craig-breslow-with-red-sox-mcadam.html

Whoever said 11 people were offered the job? Who said that? Kind of hard to offer the job to 11 people when you couldn’t even get 11 people to interview. That’s the MAIN point. Yes you will keep hearing like it, or not with the 12th pick in the 2023 HOBO draft the Red Sox selected Brez.😂

[mvp 78]

22 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Take Brez's 5, 6, 7...10, whatever you choose, biggest trades and grade them.

Campbell for Urias - C-

Fitts, Weissert, Judice for Verdugo - A

Slaten for Ammons/cash - B+

O'Neill for Santos and Robertson - B+

Grissom for Sale - F

Paxton for Bolivar - C-

Jansen for Paulin, Coffey, Batista - D+

Priester for Yorke - B

Sims for Portes - D

Garcia for Kavadas, Zeferjahn, Lugo and Vargas - D

Narvaez for Rodriguez - B+

Fajardo for Booser - A-

Moran for Gasper - B

Crochet for Teel, Montgomery, MEidroth, Gonzalez - A-

Aybar for Koss - D

Rodriguez, Holobetz, Comp A for Priester - C

Harrison, Hicks, Tibbs, Bello for Devers - C-

Tibbs and Ehrhard for May - F

Matz for Jordan - B

Heyman for Hoppe - C

Ward for Bernardino - C-

Hernandez for Murphy - C+

Gray for Guerrero - C

Gray for Clarke, Fitts and Galle - B+

Oviedo, Samaniego and Guzman for Garcia and Travieso - C-

Jackson for Grissom - C

Watson for Riemer - D+

Bennett for Perales - B-

Contreras for Dobbins, Fajardo and Aita - A-

Baez for Gray - C-

Ziehl and PTBNL for Hicks, 2 PTBNL and Sandlin - C-

Durbin, Monasterio, Seigler and Comp B for Harrison, Drohan and Hamilton - D-

[mvp 78]

29 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Nobody has any proof that 11 people were offered the job and said no. One was not allowed to interview by his current team. Some declined to interview for various reasons. How many were offered the job and declined?

I'll wait forever for the 11 links, but I know I will keep hearing "12th pick" again and again.

Like I said, maybe he was they 2nd choice- maybe the 22nd, and maybe the 12th, but nobody has the proof.

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2023/10/mlb-notebook-inside-the-job-search-that-landed-craig-breslow-with-red-sox-mcadam.html

How many were "offered" the job and declined. Now THAT is moving the goalposts. 

Might as well call Breslow the 13th candidate. The 12th candidate was the goalpost! 

[Old Red]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

How many were "offered" the job and declined. Now THAT is moving the goalposts. 

Might as well call Breslow the 13th candidate. The 12th candidate was the goalpost! 

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