Red Sox (Moran) vs Tigers (Valdez): 5/5/26, 6:40pm

[JoeBrady]

13 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

Baseball was a different game back when most players were on one year contracts. Batters almost expected to get hit when the preceding hitter launched a HR.

Which is fine by me, but he came in high.  That warrants a suspension.

[JoeBrady]

12 minutes ago, notin said:

At some point, it’s probably important to realize a major league fastball strikes with more force than a pellet fired from a riot gun.  You know, the weapon police use to subdue people that are out of control…

So you're saying that Story should've been strapped?

[moonslav59]

8 hours ago, iortiz said:

I don't think Bello is going to be starter again. 

Not so sure, now?

[illinoisredsox]

36 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

Valdez is being interviewed and when asked about hitting Story, he replied it wasn't intentional. I was just trying to throw strikes.

And he said all that BS with straight face.

He wanted out of the game and hitting Story was the way to do it.  Pretty obvious when it happened and even moreso when he just nodded to ump the after the ejection.

 

[notin]

1 hour ago, JoeBrady said:

So you're saying that Story should've been strapped?

That might be a dangerous precedent. Especially with some unpredictable types like Manny Machado, not to mention some of the immature types like Pete Crow-Armstrong and Alec Bohm…

[jad]

9 hours ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

Baseball was a different game back when most players were on one year contracts. Batters almost expected to get hit when the preceding hitter launched a HR.

Whoa.  What period are you talking about?  Pre-free agency?

 

[notin]

58 minutes ago, jad said:

Whoa.  What period are you talking about?  Pre-free agency?

 

I think he meant when Gibson played.

[notin]

9 hours ago, illinoisredsox said:

He wanted out of the game and hitting Story was the way to do it.  Pretty obvious when it happened and even moreso when he just nodded to ump the after the ejection.

 

Somehow I struggle with “his goal was to get out of the game” was higher on his priority list than “f*** these guys and their back-to-back home runs.”  Especially from a guy as mercurial and volatile as Valdez…

[moonslav59]

Framber was the guy that threw at his own catcher.

[mvp 78]

9 hours ago, illinoisredsox said:

He wanted out of the game and hitting Story was the way to do it.  Pretty obvious when it happened and even moreso when he just nodded to ump the after the ejection.

If the Tigers weren't logging multiple bullpen games and had a rotation that looked like the 2020 Sox, he wouldn't have been out there for the 4th. He was pissed that he had to give up those 10 runs and pouted by hitting Story. If he was just given a warning, he would have hit another batter that inning. 

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, notin said:

Somehow I struggle with “his goal was to get out of the game” was higher on his priority list than “f*** these guys and their back-to-back home runs.”  Especially from a guy as mercurial and volatile as Valdez…

Oh no, he REALLY wanted to stay in a game and finish out the 4th inning when he had already given up 10 runs and nobody was warming. 

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Framber was the guy that threw at his own catcher.

He's a manbaby. 

[mvp 78]

10 hours ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

Valdez is being interviewed and when asked about hitting Story, he replied it wasn't intentional. I was just trying to throw strikes.

And he said all that BS with straight face.

Hit Story with a 4 seamer. IT WAS THE ONLY 4 SEAMER HE'S THROWN ALL YEAR.

 

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

11 hours ago, JoeBrady said:

Just one of the best things in the world.  No matter what else happens, your son played pro baseball.

I was thinking that as I saw the family crying. No matter what happens they will always have this night.

What an enjoyable game.  I'm happy for Bryan Bello who was indeed pitching for his professional life.  I sure never expected that run total with the lineup they put out.  I also agree with the earlier post, this season for me is all about the young pitchers they now have.  If they have actually found 2-3 reliable young starters filling out a lineup is a lot easier than trying to find that.  This season is over, it's all about the future and the development of the young players.  

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

Oh no, he REALLY wanted to stay in a game and finish out the 4th inning when he had already given up 10 runs and nobody was warming. 

What a great teammate!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Hinch was in no hurry to relieve Framber, especially since the Tigers' bullpen was toast from choking the night before. Valdez knew there was only one way he could get off that mound. Hinch's afterwords also showed no support whatsoever for that cowardly act. Imagine if he drilled someone instead of a composed pro like Story... Contreras didn't get plunked but still almost tried to kill him.

Detroit's gonna have to eat a lot of dough to get rid of this pestilence.

[notin]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

Oh no, he REALLY wanted to stay in a game and finish out the 4th inning when he had already given up 10 runs and nobody was warming. 

So the home runs had nothing to do with throwing at Story and the timing was coincidental?

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

I enjoyed what we did to that punk Valdez and how he came off to everyone for doing that BS.  The announcer also speculated that he did it on purpose to get out of the game.  LOL.  

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, notin said:

So the home runs had nothing to do with throwing at Story and the timing was coincidental?

Yeah, he just gave up 10 runs. Had nothing left in the tank (effort wise). Gave up two bombs. He wanted out of there. Who is saying that's coincidental??? He stunk and wanted out of the game. 

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, Yaz Fan Since 67 said:

I enjoyed what we did to that punk Valdez and how he came off to everyone for doing that BS.  The announcer also speculated that he did it on purpose to get out of the game.  LOL.  

The only people who didn't are (a) the Tigers announcers and (b) notin. 

[moonslav59]

6 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

The only people who didn't are (a) the Tigers announcers and (b) notin. 

I think notin knew it was on purpose, but he feels it was about the homers and not "wanting out."

[Old Red]

4 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Oh no, he REALLY wanted to stay in a game and finish out the 4th inning when he had already given up 10 runs and nobody was warming. 

I think his frustration started in the 1st inning when an error led to a 3 run HR. The he continued to get knocked around, and was probably told he had to take one for the team. Giving up the back to backs was the final straw.

[Old Red]

15 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I think notin knew it was on purpose, but he feels it was about the homers and not "wanting out."

Pretty short sighted.🤭

[moonslav59]

18 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Pretty short sighted.🤭

You think had there not been homers hit, he'd still have plunked Story?

To me, that's short-sighted, too. (The inning might have been over... LOL.)

[Old Red]

3 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

You think had there not been homers hit, he'd still have plunked Story?

To me, that's short-sighted, too. (The inning might have been over... LOL.)

I already explained what I thought what led to the situation, so no further explanation needed IMO.

[JoeBrady]

34 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I think notin knew it was on purpose, but he feels it was about the homers and not "wanting out."

I agree with this.  I've probably seen 100 pitchers drill someone after B2B HRs.  While it's possible that a renowned hot-head didn't lose his temper, but instead logically thought "how do I get out of this game?', I usually go for the simpler answers.

$1M on the table and you have to guess right. I'm going with 'he lost it'.  No doubt in my mind.].

[mvp 78]

9 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

I agree with this.  I've probably seen 100 pitchers drill someone after B2B HRs.  While it's possible that a renowned hot-head didn't lose his temper, but instead logically thought "how do I get out of this game?', I usually go for the simpler answers.

$1M on the table and you have to guess right. I'm going with 'he lost it'.  No doubt in my mind.].

For a guy that intentionally crosses up his catcher, it makes perfect sense that he's throwing at a batter to get out of the game. 

[JoeBrady]

35 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

For a guy that intentionally crosses up his catcher, it makes perfect sense that he's throwing at a batter to get out of the game. 

I'd guess that it is just the opposite.  If a guy is so hot-headed that he will throw at a teammate, then I guarantee that he is hot-headed enough to throw at an opposing player after B2B HRs.

[mvp 78]

7 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

I'd guess that it is just the opposite.  If a guy is so hot-headed that he will throw at a teammate, then I guarantee that he is hot-headed enough to throw at an opposing player after B2B HRs.

Nope.

[Old Red]

20 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

I'd guess that it is just the opposite.  If a guy is so hot-headed that he will throw at a teammate, then I guarantee that he is hot-headed enough to throw at an opposing player after B2B HRs.

You don’t think that everything that led up to that had anything to do with it?🤔 Especially having to go back out there to start that inning in the first place to take one for the team?