Red Sox (Moran) vs Tigers (Valdez): 5/5/26, 6:40pm

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

I already explained what I thought what led to the situation, so no further explanation needed IMO.

I didn't ask for further explanation, and my post wasn't a reply to you.

[mvp 78]

Get me outta here.

 

[notin]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

You think had there not been homers hit, he'd still have plunked Story?

To me, that's short-sighted, too. (The inning might have been over... LOL.)

I’m willing to bet it wasn’t Valdez’ first time plunking someone after giving up a B2B home runs…

[moonslav59]

18 minutes ago, notin said:

I’m willing to bet it wasn’t Valdez’ first time plunking someone after giving up a B2B home runs…

It might be mor common than we think, and I certainly think it was a reason he did it.

Doing it to get yanked, possibly fined and suspended is a bit more speculative on the motive, but with him, it's possible or even probable.

[moonslav59]

22 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Get me outta here.

 

Are you assuming anybody thinks it was unintentional?

[mvp 78]

26 minutes ago, notin said:

I’m willing to bet it wasn’t Valdez’ first time plunking someone after giving up a B2B home runs…

It hasn't happened before in his MLB career per bref. I looked at every multiple HR start for him. Most of the time he gave up dingers, he didn't have HBP's. In games where he blew up and was a train wreck like yesterday, his HBP's happened before the HR's. 

[mvp 78]

8 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Are you assuming anybody thinks it was unintentional?

Most everyone who is thinking rationally thinks he did it specifically to get taken out of the game. 

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

7 hours ago, jad said:

Whoa.  What period are you talking about?  Pre-free agency?

 

Prior to 1975.

[moonslav59]

8 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Most everyone who is thinking rationally thinks he did it specifically to get taken out of the game. 

That wasnt my question.

I think it was also about the 2 HRs and maybe a little about Willson's slight pause while admiring his blast.

[Old Red]

11 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Most everyone who is thinking rationally thinks he did it specifically to get taken out of the game. 

👍👍👍👏. 

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

That wasnt my question.

I think it was also about the 2 HRs and maybe a little about Willson's slight pause while admiring his blast.

Then why not throw at Abreu who hit right after Contreras? Almost every slugger these days takes their time with the homerun trot and getting out of the box. This goes back 20+ years at this point. 

[Old Red]

3 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

That wasnt my question.

I think it was also about the 2 HRs and maybe a little about Willson's slight pause while admiring his blast.

Why don’t you comprehend that not everyone answers how you want them to, but how they want to answer? Holy Crap!🙈🤭

[moonslav59]

10 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Then why not throw at Abreu who hit right after Contreras? Almost every slugger these days takes their time with the homerun trot and getting out of the box. This goes back 20+ years at this point. 

I guess you won't answer.

Fine.

I do agree he wanted out, but I also think it's about the HRs, too.

It is possible to have multiple reasons.

[moonslav59]

10 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Why don’t you comprehend that not everyone answers how you want them to, but how they want to answer? Holy Crap!🙈🤭

Make no sense.

I fully understand MVPs point. I asked a question,and he answered with a question, much like you do.

[Old Red]

9 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Then why not throw at Abreu who hit right after Contreras? Almost every slugger these days takes their time with the homerun trot and getting out of the box. This goes back 20+ years at this point. 

Why is it that most on here are overlooking All the things that happened starting with the error in the first inning that led to 3 runs, and all the things that ensued before the BTB homers. You think Valdez voluntarily went out there to start that last inning, or was told to go out there, and take one for the team?

[moonslav59]

"Voluntarily went out there..."

Too funny.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

17 hours ago, notin said:

Yeah Valdez is a new breed of horrible.  Gibson is just another run-of-the-mill *******, like many other professional athletes only maybe a little more so.

I assumed Valdez’ anger issues contributed to his lack of interest this off-season.  But he got paid, so why learn?

Our own Jim Lonborg had a lot of Bob Gibson in him. Gentleman Jim wasn't exactly a gentle man on the mound.

[mvp 78]

13 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I guess you won't answer.

Fine.

I do agree he wanted out, but I also think it's about the HRs, too.

It is possible to have multiple reasons.

No. He threw at it because he wanted out. If he had given up two straight line drive doubles, it would have been the same thing. If Contreras hadn't pimped his HR, it wouldn't have mattered. 

[mvp 78]

48 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Are you assuming anybody thinks it was unintentional?

The Tigers announcers believe it was unintentional. Or at least believe he shouldn't have been tossed. 

[mvp 78]

13 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Why is it that most on here are overlooking All the things that happened starting with the error in the first inning that led to 3 runs, and all the things that ensued before the BTB homers. You think Valdez voluntarily went out there to start that last inning, or was told to go out there, and take one for the team?

Valdez knew there was no lifeline out there from his coach. He was left out there to dry due to the bullpen games and lack of rotation options. He probably thought he should have been done after the 8 runs. Going back out there for the 4th pushed him over the edge. He gave up the two HR's. He saw his coach had no intention of getting him out of there and decided to end his night right there. 

[mvp 78]

14 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

"Voluntarily went out there..."

Too funny.

Now who is the one ignoring questions? 😵

[Old Red]

12 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Valdez knew there was no lifeline out there from his coach. He was left out there to dry due to the bullpen games and lack of rotation options. He probably thought he should have been done after the 8 runs. Going back out there for the 4th pushed him over the edge. He gave up the two HR's. He saw his coach had no intention of getting him out of there and decided to end his night right there. 

 

15 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Valdez knew there was no lifeline out there from his coach. He was left out there to dry due to the bullpen games and lack of rotation options. He probably thought he should have been done after the 8 runs. Going back out there for the 4th pushed him over the edge. He gave up the two HR's. He saw his coach had no intention of getting him out of there and decided to end his night right there. 

Exactly it ALL added up, and he didn’t want to play anymore.

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, Old Red said:

 

Exactly it ALL added up, and he didn’t want to play anymore.

I guess some people just like to argue for the sake of arguing. Not me. 😇

[moonslav59]

20 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Now who is the one ignoring questions? 😵

Silly question that has no answer.

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I guess some people just like to argue for the sake of arguing. Not me. 😇

I think it's just notin, who disagree on him "wanting out" as the reason or sole reason.

Is notin plural? 

[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

You don’t think that everything that led up to that had anything to do with it?🤔 Especially having to go back out there to start that inning in the first place to take one for the team?

To be perfectly honest, I don't think that Valdez spends 5 minutes a day in logical thought.  The idea that he thought he wanted to get out of the game, and then devised a plan to allow B2B HRs, and then hit Story and get thrown out and likely suspended without pay?

10% chance, at tops.

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

I think he was pissed about 2 HRs and maybe Willson showboating a bit.

I'm not sure he knew he'd get booted for a HBP, but it's reasonable.

 

[JoeBrady]

2 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

I think he was pissed about 2 HRs and maybe Willson showboating a bit.

I forgot about that, but I did think about it at the time,  It was a pretty big shot, but he did linger a few seconds.