Sox Trade For Milwaukee 3B Caleb Durbin

[moonslav59]

Just now, Hugh2 said:

So, if Kyle Harrison gets 0 WAR and Durbin gets 12 WAR it's a bad trade if they never replace Devers?

So they trade Harrison for Durbin, and it can't be a good trade even if Durbin drastically outperforms Harrison?

Make it make sense. 

Well said.

There will always be a beef, if we keep trying to replace Devers' big bat with players like Contreras, though, but that's a separate issue.

This looks like a very good trade, as of now.

Now, maybe Harrison pulls a Priester on us, and Durbin becomes the next Grissom, but we'll see.

[Hugh2]

2 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Well said.

There will always be a beef, if we keep trying to replace Devers' big bat with players like Contreras, though, but that's a separate issue.

This looks like a very good trade, as of now.

Now, maybe Harrison pulls a Priester on us, and Durbin becomes the next Grissom, but we'll see.

That's just the thing, you can have beef with the Devers trade, you can hate that trade and recall it for as the long as ones little heart desires.  

But Durbin for Harrison should be evaluated based on the performances of Durbin for Harrison.  And them too alone. 

[Hugh2]

And I love how we also are getting the 67th pick in the MLB draft this year as well, on top of Durbin.  

It's not just the pick, but it's the $1.3 million that comes with it.  They can go with another pick there, or spread that money in another round. 

[moonslav59]

3 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

That's just the thing, you can have beef with the Devers trade, you can hate that trade and recall it for as the long as ones little heart desires.  

But Durbin for Harrison should be evaluated based on the performances of Durbin for Harrison.  And them too alone. 

Gotta count the side pieces, too, if they amount to anything, but yes, this was the basis of the trade.

I love the comp pick we got, too, and we've had great success with those picks, even if they are not our highest pick.

2025: Phillips (2nd pick Priester trade) & Godbout (3rd pick...Pivetta)

2023: K Campbell (our 5th pick... Bogey)

2022: Anthony (our 3rd pick... ERod)

[moonslav59]

8 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

And I love how we also are getting the 67th pick in the MLB draft this year as well, on top of Durbin.  

It's not just the pick, but it's the $1.3 million that comes with it.  They can go with another pick there, or spread that money in another round. 

It makes up for the 2nd round pick we lost signing Bregman.

[Old Red]

45 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

So, if Kyle Harrison gets 0 WAR and Durbin gets 12 WAR it's a bad trade if they never replace Devers?

So they trade Harrison for Durbin, and it can't be a good trade even if Durbin drastically outperforms Harrison?

Make it make sense. 

He already did, and quite nicely IMO.🤭

[Old Red]

1 hour ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

It will always be a good trade for fans to say good riddance to a selfish prima donna. 

It will always be a good trade for the owners and front office to say good riddance to a albatross contract.

It will never be a good trade for anyone who follows Boston until the Red Sox find another consistent 30-homer middle of the order bat.... if they ever do... and sign him through his prime... and don't dump him before his time.

Well said.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

46 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

So, if Kyle Harrison gets 0 WAR and Durbin gets 12 WAR it's a bad trade if they never replace Devers?

So they trade Harrison for Durbin, and it can't be a good trade even if Durbin drastically outperforms Harrison?

Make it make sense. 

Re-read my scenarios. They all make sense to the people listed -- who are not the same people in each scenario. 

Then re-read my earlier post where I give my own opinion of this trade: "I like everything about this trade."

And I still stand by my post from the weekend that we're going to need our starting rotation to throw shutouts for half the season just to keep us in games...

[Old Red]

42 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

That's just the thing, you can have beef with the Devers trade, you can hate that trade and recall it for as the long as ones little heart desires.  

But Durbin for Harrison should be evaluated based on the performances of Durbin for Harrison.  And them too alone. 

Whoever plays 3B for the Red Sox this year are going to be compared by some to what Bregman is doing, and what Raffy is doing, and yes even though Raffy is not playing 3B. Otherwise evaluate however, and whatever you want.

[Duran Is The Man]

7 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Re-read my scenarios. They all make sense to the people listed -- who are not the same people in each scenario. 

Then re-read my earlier post where I give my own opinion of this trade: "I like everything about this trade."

And I still stand by my post from the weekend that we're going to need our starting rotation to throw shutouts for half the season just to keep us in games...

wait til we start having problems scoring runs and lose a few games 1-0 or 2-1. the i told-you-so's will get louder each time. 

[moonslav59]

7 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

wait til we start having problems scoring runs and lose a few games 1-0 or 2-1. the i told-you-so's will get louder each time. 

That's for sure.

What will happen if Durbin out OPS Bregman, Nad Contreras out OPS Alonso?

[Old Red]

2 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

That's for sure.

What will happen if Durbin out OPS Bregman, Nad Contreras out OPS Alonso?

Then if by chance that happens it will be reported the same.

[moonslav59]

20 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Then if by chance that happens it will be reported the same.

By all the naysayers? 

I think not.

[Old Red]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

By all the naysayers? 

I think not.

I certainly don’t speak for others, but I know I will report it. Every move gets analyzed as it should, and does good, or bad.

[Duran Is The Man]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

That's for sure.

What will happen if Durbin out OPS Bregman, Nad Contreras out OPS Alonso?

if i had to guess.....some will call Brez a genius, some would say "it's still early", Fred would say Brez is an idiot and Henry is a cheapskate and Ol' Red will disagree with whatever you say.

[moonslav59]

50 minutes ago, Old Red said:

I certainly don’t speak for others, but I know I will report it. Every move gets analyzed as it should, and does good, or bad.

Report it? 

[moonslav59]

8 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

if i had to guess.....some will call Brez a genius, some would say "it's still early", Fred would say Brez is an idiot and Henry is a cheapskate and Ol' Red will disagree with whatever you say.

Now that is a projection that rings true!

🤣

[UtahSox]

3 hours ago, JoeBrady said:

Kurtz has not been extended so far as I know.  So do you think the A's were correct in waiting?  Or do you think they should've extended when he first came up?

Wilson signed extension… sorry got their rookies confused. 

[Old Red]

5 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Report it? 

If Durbin out performs Bregman, or Con Man out performs Alonso, and yes even if Raffy’s stats fall off a cliff.

[Hugh2]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

Whoever plays 3B for the Red Sox this year are going to be compared by some to what Bregman is doing, and what Raffy is doing, and yes even though Raffy is not playing 3B. Otherwise evaluate however, and whatever you want.

Probably Mayer, I think he plays third, or at least a lot of third.

Durbin to 2B

[Old Red]

1 minute ago, Hugh2 said:

Probably Mayer, I think he plays third, or at least a lot of third.

Durbin to 2B

Just going by what the Red Sox said that they would rather play Mayer at 3B I agree.

[JoeBrady]

5 hours ago, Kimmi said:

I am pleased with Breslow's work this offseason.

This looks like a very good team to me.

[moonslav59]

24 minutes ago, Old Red said:

If Durbin out performs Bregman, or Con Man out performs Alonso, and yes even if Raffy’s stats fall off a cliff.

It won't need reporting. 

 

[moonslav59]

12 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Just going by what the Red Sox said that they would rather play Mayer at 3B I agree.

He does have experience there.

[JoeBrady]

3 hours ago, Hugh2 said:

What if Devers performs 3X better than Durbin for the next several years but Durbin averages 2 WAR and Harrison never makes another MLB start/appearance.   Is that a good trade?

No, but Devers is highly unlikely to have 6 WAR per season.

[moonslav59]

19 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Just going by what the Red Sox said that they would rather play Mayer at 3B I agree.

They did sound like they weren't sure about where Durbin would play most.

[JoeBrady]

3 hours ago, Hugh2 said:

The Brewers are very good at taking guys like Harrison and getting them right E.G. Quinn Priester.  So we will see,

It's a bit of a moot point.  If Harrison starts for Mil, and does well, I don't care.  He would be unlikely to have gotten the same opportunity with us to prove himself..

[JoeBrady]

2 hours ago, Old Red said:

Whoever plays 3B for the Red Sox this year are going to be compared by some to what Bregman is doing, and what Raffy is doing, and yes even though Raffy is not playing 3B. Otherwise evaluate however, and whatever you want.

One might suggest that will be considered a bad trade by those who think every Red Sox trade is a bad trade.  That will never change.

[JoeBrady]

29 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Probably Mayer, I think he plays third, or at least a lot of third.

Durbin to 2B

As someone else suggested, I think I'd prefer to see Story at 2nd, Mayer at SS, and Durbin at 3rd.

[moonslav59]

21 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

No, but Devers is highly unlikely to have 6 WAR per season.

He hasnt been over 5 since 2019.