Sox Trade For Milwaukee 3B Caleb Durbin

[moonslav59]

10 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

If it doesn't work out and we do not compete for a ring THIS YEAR Breslow can start looking for a job selling used cars.

He'll be back even if we finish 4th.

[drewski6]

15 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

They weren't going to get Schwarber because they already had a LHB at DH, two in fact, three if you count Duran.

To me, this is efficiency chasing and "penciling in" getting in the way. Schwarber would have fixed this team but we couldnt bench an 18m Masa who is getting benched anyways.  And I dont care if Duran/Cedanne/Abreu/Anthony would have had to rotate.  Sounds like great depth.

[drewski6]

8 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

He'll be back even if we finish 4th.

When they fired Bloom, they said something like we generally give 4 yr contracts, and if after 3 yrs its not an easy decision to extend, we sack.  Not sure if Breslow got their typical 4 yr contract.  But why does breslow not need to be accountable to results after 3 yrs again?

[mvp 78]

Just now, drewski6 said:

When they fired Bloom, they said something like we generally give 4 yr contracts, and if after 3 yrs its not an easy decision to extend, we sack.  Not sure if Breslow got their typical 4 yr contract.  But why does breslow not need to be accountable to results after 3 yrs again?

If they let Breslow go early, they'll never get anyone to take the job. They had to settle for Breslow to begin with. It'll really be the dregs next time (Amaro, Van Wagenan, Wally, etc.). 

[Old Red]

31 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Why would you ever listen to what Breslow says? I thought this was covered already in the powerpoint?

I just stated what Breslow said. I think I already knew about HR long before Breslow came around.

[mvp 78]

9 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

To me, this is efficiency chasing and "penciling in" getting in the way. Schwarber would have fixed this team but we couldnt bench an 18m Masa who is getting benched anyways.  And I dont care if Duran/Cedanne/Abreu/Anthony would have had to rotate.  Sounds like great depth.

It has nothing to do with "efficiency" and everything to do with "building a ballclub" to not have 2 DH's sitting on the bench in mid July. 

[Old Red]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

If they let Breslow go early, they'll never get anyone to take the job. They had to settle for Breslow to begin with. It'll really be the dregs next time (Amaro, Van Wagenan, Wally, etc.). 

Maybe Cora?

[mvp 78]

16 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

He'll be back even if we finish 4th.

He'll be back if they finish 5th place. 

[mvp 78]

Just now, Old Red said:

Maybe Cora?

The real dregs IMO. Talk about running it back. A guy with no experience and is fine with being a yes man. Scary.

[drewski6]

14 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

If they let Breslow go early, they'll never get anyone to take the job. They had to settle for Breslow to begin with. It'll really be the dregs next time (Amaro, Van Wagenan, Wally, etc.). 

I think someone will take the job even if its someone young.  Its not like Breslow wasnt allowed to spend or anything like that.  

[mvp 78]

27 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

I think someone will take the job even if its someone young.  Its not like Breslow wasnt allowed to spend or anything like that.  

How many young guys interviewed last time? Not that many. Most were given raises/promotions and declined to interview.

[drewski6]

6 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

How many young guys interviewed last time? Not that many. Most were given raises/promotions and declined to interview.

Well, thanks for answering your own question, because I honestly didnt know.  But let me ask you a question.  With the farm system that Breslow inherited (tops and close to MLB ready) and hes had the green light to spend.  If after 3 years, we finish in 4th or 5th despite having dented the farm for like Gray.....

How much worse can it really get?

Saying he cant lose his job even if we finish 5th despite spending a lot and trading a lot and botching a lot out of fear over who would be willing to replace him - at that point, I dunno, one of your dogs?  A AI bot? Personally - id get the guy Breslow sacked for calling him a stiff.  I like that guys ability to assess.

My top choice would be 5GG, but only if he promised to not extend Masa.

[FredLynn]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

He'll be back even if we finish 4th.

No doubt! He won’t deserve it but his job is to fulfill Henry’s miserly policies. He’s good at that. I totally understand that Breslow works for the Cheapskate, not for me. If he had a spine he would stand up to his boss and tell him that unless the wallet opens up more we aren’t going to be winners. 
Of course he would be looking for a new job if he did that.

[FredLynn]

43 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

I think someone will take the job even if its someone young.  Its not like Breslow wasnt allowed to spend or anything like that.  

He was certainly allowed to spend! Just not nearly enough. No one is saying he didn’t spend. He hasn’t spent wisely or enough to make the team competitive. 

[drewski6]

6 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

He was certainly allowed to spend! Just not nearly enough. No one is saying he didn’t spend. He hasn’t spent wisely or enough to make the team competitive. 

I think its on him (Breslow) not JH.  JH didnt tell him to insult Bregman to his face and tell Bregman that it was just impossible that the cubs would give him an offer similar to what Alonso and Schwarber got.

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, drewski6 said:

I think its on him (Breslow) not JH.  JH didnt tell him to insult Bregman to his face and tell Bregman that it was just impossible that the cubs would give him an offer similar to what Alonso and Schwarber got.

I really don't see why getting Bregman was all that better than Suarez & Durbin.

I do feel we coulda/shoulda spent Gray's money or trade capital on a bat, but if he has a good year, it all may work out fine. It's not easy being a GM. The Gray deal might have been like say yes, now, or we're trading him somewhere else. Gray at the same cost as Buehler looks like a huge plus.

[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

He'll be back even if we finish 4th.

Pure speculation, but if the voting was held today, who would win the GM of the year award?

[drewski6]

4 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I really don't see why getting Bregman was all that better than Suarez & Durbin.

I do feel we coulda/shoulda spent Gray's money or trade capital on a bat, but if he has a good year, it all may work out fine. It's not easy being a GM. The Gray deal might have been like say yes, now, or we're trading him somewhere else. Gray at the same cost as Buehler looks like a huge plus.

PECOTA/Fangraphs/Zips/USA TODAY/MLB.COM power rankings all say step back. Thats a lot of money and prospects to be spent for a consensus step back.  Before injuries and breakouts and unforeseen twists and turns.  We have to gauge based on what we're seeing right now, because its unfair to use hindsight.

Im very surprised that so many sources are saying 4th in ALE. I find it sobering.  Find me one objective article / source that has us second in the AL East . Im hoping that you can (must be a source Ive heard of).  We're a good not great team, closer to middle of the pack than the top dogs, in year 3. We've spent and I dont see a lot of money coming off the books after this year. 

This is usually the put up or shut up year, and I believe in accountability.  

[FredLynn]

9 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I really don't see why getting Bregman was all that better than Suarez & Durbin.

I do feel we coulda/shoulda spent Gray's money or trade capital on a bat, but if he has a good year, it all may work out fine. It's not easy being a GM. The Gray deal might have been like say yes, now, or we're trading him somewhere else. Gray at the same cost as Buehler looks like a huge plus.

Getting Bregman (or Alonso or Schwarber) wasn’t mutually exclusive for getting Suarez. All it takes is reasonable spending.

[drewski6]

9 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

Pure speculation, but if the voting was held today, who would win the GM of the year award?

Mike Elias

[Old Red]

6 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I really don't see why getting Bregman was all that better than Suarez & Durbin.

I do feel we coulda/shoulda spent Gray's money or trade capital on a bat, but if he has a good year, it all may work out fine. It's not easy being a GM. The Gray deal might have been like say yes, now, or we're trading him somewhere else. Gray at the same cost as Buehler looks like a huge plus.

Gray’s money? I f you wanted to spend money on a bat you could have spent Ranger’s money on that. You only had Ranger money to spend, because they didn’t spend it on Bregman.

[mvp 78]

32 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

How much worse can it really get?

Saying he cant lose his job even if we finish 5th despite spending a lot and trading a lot and botching a lot out of fear over who would be willing to replace him - at that point, I dunno, one of your dogs?  A AI bot? Personally - id get the guy Breslow sacked for calling him a stiff.  I like that guys ability to assess.

For them to be a 78 win team, there'd have to be a significant injury in the rotation (I won't name names). It could get there. Breslow won't get fired if that happens. I don't see them getting worse than that. I think that's about as bad as it would get this year or next. 

I don't understand that second paragraph. There aren't any complete sentences included there. 

[drewski6]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

For them to be a 78 win team, there'd have to be a significant injury in the rotation (I won't name names). It could get there. Breslow won't get fired if that happens. I don't see them getting worse than that. I think that's about as bad as it would get this year or next. 

I don't understand that second paragraph. There aren't any complete sentences included there. 

If that injury happens, sure, thats the only way I can see us finishing in 5th (or 4th) without Breslow losing his job. I wont name that injury either.

Regarding my second paragraph, my top picks for new gm are 1. 5GG , 2. One of your dogs (you pick), 3. An AI Bot, 4. The guy who called Brez a stiff. I feel like maybe you could have gotten there, figured out what I meant, despite leaky sentence structure on my part.  But Ill give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were true to your word.

[mvp 78]

11 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

Pure speculation, but if the voting was held today, who would win the GM of the year award?

GM of the Offseason award? 

In the running: Dodgers, Orioles, White Sox

[drewski6]

Or Dan Duquette 

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

If that injury happens, sure, thats the only way I can see us finishing in 5th (or 4th) without Breslow losing his job. I wont name that injury either.

Regarding my second paragraph, my top picks for new gm are 1. 5GG , 2. One of your dogs (you pick), 3. An AI Bot, 4. The guy who called Brez a stiff. I feel like maybe you could have gotten there, figured out what I meant, despite leaky sentence structure on my part.  But Ill give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were true to your word.

Honestly, he's just not getting fired after year 4. He's getting through year 5 no matter what. 

The next hiring they do will most likely be internal (Eddie Romero Jr) just because the hiring process has been so toxic than I don't think people around the game will want to come here. 

[drewski6]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

GM of the Offseason award? 

In the running: Dodgers, Orioles, White Sox

Has Dodgers GM gotten it yet? Might be one of those things where if hes won 2 straight championships but hasnt gotten it yet, he'd prob get it. But I think if he won last year, thats working against him winning again this year (fair or unfair)

I also think the Mets could rebound, As could surprise, and some sources are telling me to look out for the Rangers (but I dont see it).  Cubs could be in consideration if they win their division (because they didnt last year)

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, drewski6 said:

Or Dan Duquette 

He was pretty good with the O's too. The wheels fell off with the Chris Davis contract and the owner not wanting to keep other players around. 

[moonslav59]

28 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

Pure speculation, but if the voting was held today, who would win the GM of the year award?

Not Brez.

Probably the TOR GM, but I'm not impressed with Cease and The Okomotive. They lost Bichette & Bassitt, plus a guy named Kiner-Falefa!

[drewski6]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

Honestly, he's just not getting fired after year 4. He's getting through year 5 no matter what. 

The next hiring they do will most likely be internal (Eddie Romero Jr) just because the hiring process has been so toxic than I don't think people around the game will want to come here. 

As a massive Eddie Guerrero fan (RIP), I would support Eddie Romero Jr