Sox Trade For Milwaukee 3B Caleb Durbin

[mvp 78]

9 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Can we please stop with the Devers talk, it's essentially rehashing the Devers trade when this is something entirely different. 

That trade is over, it's been over, whatever we did or did not get is a sunk cost.  This trade should be evaluated on the players involved and them alone.  That is a honest accounting. 

This MIL-BOS trade works for me. No complaints. 

[Old Red]

12 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Can we please stop with the Devers talk, it's essentially rehashing the Devers trade when this is something entirely different. 

That trade is over, it's been over, whatever we did or did not get is a sunk cost.  This trade should be evaluated on the players involved and them alone.  That is a honest accounting. 

There will be comparisons all year long on what Devers is doing, what Bregman is doing, and what Alonso is doing compared to Con Man.

[a700hitter]

Finally, Breslow made a trade that I like.  He’s a good young player and he was obtained for spare parts.  What does this mean for Campbell?

[iortiz]

21 minutes ago, notin said:

If Devers had just said “of course I will cover first base while Triston is out like a normal teammate would,” he’d still be in Boston…

 Bingo! 
 

They just wanted that prima donna gone regardless the return. They wouldn’t have traded Devers in the first place If he had shown some teammate attitude.  

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

1 minute ago, a700hitter said:

Finally, Breslow made a trade that I like.  He’s a good young player and he was obtained for spare parts.  What does this mean for Campbell?

Swing hard in case the ball hits your bat!

[mvp 78]

Just now, iortiz said:

 Bingo! 
 

They just wanted that prima donna gone regardless the return. They wouldn’t have traded Devers in the first place If he had shown some teammate attitude.  

They would have traded him anyway at some point. Breslow didn't like that contract based on the internal models. JH had buyer's remorse after the ink dried. 

[Old Red]

5 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

This MIL-BOS trade works for me. No complaints. 

It works as is, but was Durbin the best the Red Sox could have done? All the talking about trading with Arizona, Houston, or the Cubs, and to me Durbin was a settle at the very least. Cheap, and nothing substantial given up.

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, a700hitter said:

Finally, Breslow made a trade that I like.  He’s a good young player and he was obtained for spare parts.  What does this mean for Campbell?

Campbell is an OFer going forward. Or trade bait if he can recoup value. I think he's another case where internally he's valued higher than externally right now.

[mvp 78]

Just now, Old Red said:

It works as is, but was Durbin the best the Red Sox could have done? All the talking about trading with Arizona, Houston, or the Cubs, and to me Durbin was a settle at the very least. Cheap, and nothing substantial given up.

You can only make trades if the other teams are willing. That cost was very fair. The Marte cost was pretty high for a guy that is going to decline fast and move off 2b in a few years. HOU doesn't really need Paredes and was still trying to trade for Abreu, but the Sox were unwilling to move him. Abreu is probably the better player with more control. CHC trade seems like wishful thinking. Hoerner was going to cost too much for a one year guy who is a league average hitter. Matt Shaw is going to replace Hoerner next season at 2b. What's the play there? Trade Shaw and you don't have a 2b after this season. Trade Hoerner and you are taking a step back in a year you are trying to compete. 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

1 minute ago, Old Red said:

It works as is, but was Durbin the best the Red Sox could have done? All the talking about trading with Arizona, Houston, or the Cubs, and to me Durbin was a settle at the very least. Cheap, and nothing substantial given up.

I like everything about this trade. The guys we gave up were expendable, and Durbin is going to be a fan favorite: a short, scrappy guy who hustles is great, but here's the refreshing part for this line-up: he doesn't strike out and is a good bunter.

The batting order may be in shock... and that must be why the headline writer for Brandon's scoop called this "shocking."

[iortiz]

6 minutes ago, iortiz said:

 Bingo! 
 

They just wanted that prima donna gone regardless the return. They wouldn’t have traded Devers in the first place If he had shown some teammate attitude.  

Mmm IDK man. If you produce and you are not a cancer in the lockerroom it’s hard to justify that kind of trade based on financial operations. IMO this was nothing but a ego issue by both sides. Money was not the issue IMO, Devers was kind of earning his paycheck. 

[iortiz]

11 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

They would have traded him anyway at some point. Breslow didn't like that contract based on the internal models. JH had buyer's remorse after the ink dried. 

Mmm IDK man. If you produce and you are not a cancer in the lockerroom it’s hard to justify that kind of trade based on financial operations. IMO this was nothing but a ego issue by both sides. Money was not the issue IMO, Devers was kind of earning his paycheck. 

[mvp 78]

Just now, iortiz said:

Mmm IDK man. If you produce and you are not a cancer in the lockerroom it’s hard to justify that kind of trade based on financial operations. IMO this was nothing but a ego issue by both sides. Money was not the issue IMO, Devers was kind of earning his paycheck. 

Money has always been an issue since 2019. We can't ignore those constraints. They aren't a top 5 spender any longer. 

[iortiz]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

Money has always been an issue since 2019. We can't ignore those constraints. They aren't a top 5 spender any longer. 

Whata I read is that the meeting between Devers and John Henry didn’t go well in KC regarding the 1B drama. After that meeting John Henry wanted him gone and asked Breslow to trade his ass ASAP no matter what. 

We’ll never know for sure though. 
 

 

[iortiz]

18 minutes ago, a700hitter said:

Finally, Breslow made a trade that I like.  He’s a good young player and he was obtained for spare parts.  What does this mean for Campbell?

I want to see him play a full season with the ups and downs that it implies and see if the kid is legit. 

[mvp 78]

Anthony Seigler's prospect savant page (C, 1b, 2b)

Maybe good depth in WOO? 

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, iortiz said:

Whata I read is that the meeting between Devers and John Henry didn’t go well in KC regarding the 1B drama. After that meeting John Henry wanted him gone and asked Breslow to trade his ass ASAP no matter what. 

We’ll never know for sure though. 

I think after the meeting JH said that he would eat money in a trade after the meeting, that's how bad it went. 

IMO, a large part of moving on from Devers can still be about not being comfortable with that contract on the books. They probably were going to move on from him at some point, that discussion just moved up the timetable. 

[JoeBrady]

46 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

They'd "sacrifice" more in the sense that they'd try for a hit, with the fallback being a sacrifice if it didn't work.

I hate the sacrifice, but love bunting for a hit with 1st & 2nd with -0- outs, or just a guy on 1st.

[Bellhorn04]

Seems like a good trade.

Also seems like we're really trying to field a complete baseball team - it's been a while.

Nice work Craig.

 

[moonslav59]

41 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Duran might be a DH for about 2 weeks but he won't DH for anyone for 2 seasons. Wherever he ends up, management will make him play the field just so he won't drive them crazy doing sprints in the dugout, bench-pressing the bat rack and squawking their ears off.

This was part of why I was thinking he'd be traded. (I thought the same, last winter.)

[JoeBrady]

33 minutes ago, Old Red said:

It works as is, but was Durbin the best the Red Sox could have done? All the talking about trading with Arizona, Houston, or the Cubs, and to me Durbin was a settle at the very least. Cheap, and nothing substantial given up.

Sure, you almost always do better, but every trade has a cost.  I like the three guys we gave up, but they might never have been given a shot with us.  It's like Priester.  Even if you have talent, you have to have a path.  Hamilton had no path, and Harrison was at least two injuries away from getting regular starts.

[JoeBrady]

33 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

CHC trade seems like wishful thinking.

They also didn't have a huge need for another OF.  Happ, PCA, and Suzuki/Alcantara is good enough.

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

They also didn't have a huge need for another OF.  Happ, PCA, and Suzuki/Alcantara is good enough.

Pitching was likely the only thing that would have worked, and maybe tthey didn't like ours as much as Brez does.

Too bad they don't need a DH! LOL.

[JoeBrady]

19 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I think after the meeting JH said that he would eat money in a trade after the meeting, that's how bad it went. 

IMO, a large part of moving on from Devers can still be about not being comfortable with that contract on the books. They probably were going to move on from him at some point, that discussion just moved up the timetable. 

Yup, it wasn't the deciding factor, but $32M for a DH at age 29 is not a compelling asset.  He's not old, but he has 4 years age 32 and younger and 4 at 33+.

[JoeBrady]

15 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Seems like a good trade.

Also seems like we're really trying to field a complete baseball team - it's been a while.

Nice work Craig.

 

I'm always suspicious when things work out this well.  But if we get 6 seasons of the 2025 Durbin, I'm going to be a happy camper.

[Old Red]

20 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Seems like a good trade.

Also seems like we're really trying to field a complete baseball team - it's been a while.

Nice work Craig.

 

I would say now that going into ST this is the best the Nation has felt about things in a long time.

[drewski6]

Im getting Carlos Baerga vibes*

*not washed up carlos Baerga vibes who was on the sox but no hate to that version of carlos baerga, who had elite level rah-rah energy (just under Millar's GOAT level rah-rah energy)

[mvp 78]

HBP 2025

1. Randy Arozarena 27

2. Caleb Durbin 24

3. Willson Contreras 23

[drewski6]

Just now, mvp 78 said:

HBP 2025

1. Randy Arozarena 27

2. Caleb Durbin 24

3. Willson Contreras 23

Gritty (not the philly mascot)

[drewski6]

Im not over the moon, but Im pretty happy. My level.  I like that he has the bat control to mess with the infielders alignment and the grittiness at the plate, and Im a believer that compact body shrinks the strike zone.