Bregman signs with the Cubs

[moonslav59]

52 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Why not just say Cora said it, which is what I’ve said since it happened? That only leaves the question of why, and there are enough theories on that as it is.

I said i saw the interview. I need to spell it out for you?

Talk about overanalyzing.

[Old Red]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

Huh?

Devers was our DH not 3Bman.

Huh? What’s that got to do with SF agreeing with you?

 

 

[Old Red]

Just now, moonslav59 said:

I said i saw the interview. I need to spell it out for you?

Not everyone did.

[Old Red]

13 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

me and you both. 

i miss Dave.

I wonder how Theo would have handled the whole situation.? I can’t believe he’s giving Brez advice on how to handle things.

[JoeBrady]

8 minutes ago, Old Red said:

I wonder how Theo would have handled the whole situation.? I can’t believe he’s giving Brez advice on how to handle things.

The problem is, we don't really know how Breslow is handling things.  He might have a chess board on his wall with 20 different possible moves, and only 2-3 are gone.  He might like Bichette as move 1B after Bregman, or he might not like him at all.  We're not going to really know until ST, if then.

[Old Red]

4 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

The problem is, we don't really know how Breslow is handling things.  He might have a chess board on his wall with 20 different possible moves, and only 2-3 are gone.  He might like Bichette as move 1B after Bregman, or he might not like him at all.  We're not going to really know until ST, if then.

And even worse would be Brez trying to explain it all to everyone.

[moonslav59]

29 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Huh? What’s that got to do with SF agreeing with you?

I just mentioned SFG thought playing 1B made sense and he agreed to for them, not BOS.

[moonslav59]

33 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Not everyone did.

But I told you I did.

[Old Red]

2 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I just mentioned SFG thought playing 1B made sense and he agreed to for them, not BOS.

Like I mentioned before SF already has an excellent 3B, so Raffy wasn’t going to play there, and often when you go to a new team just like Story did you play another position. Maybe the SF MANAGER asked Raffy to play 1B, and the Red SOX MANAGER didn’t. Raffy had NO team seniority moving to SF.

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, Old Red said:

Like I mentioned before SF already has an excellent 3B, so Raffy wasn’t going to play there, and often when you go to a new team just like Story did you play another position. Maybe the SF MANAGER asked Raffy to play 1B, and the Red SOX MANAGER didn’t. Raffy had NO team seniority moving to SF.

Yes, probably or certainly so. Not maybe so.

This all has nothing to do with my opinion having merit, just as yours does.

I'm not sure why you obsess with trying to say I'm wrong on everything, even when I say word is Cora did not ask Devers to play 1B.

I'm just giving my opinion on Devers probably being a better 1Bman than Casas. It's not some earth-shattering or absurd position.

[Old Red]

7 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Yes, probably or certainly so. Not maybe so.

This all has nothing to do with my opinion having merit, just as yours does.

I'm not sure why you obsess with trying to say I'm wrong on everything, even when I say word is Cora did not ask Devers to play 1B.

I'm just giving my opinion on Devers probably being a better 1Bman than Casas. It's not some earth-shattering or absurd position.

Cora knows Raffy better than anyone, so the Fact that he did not even talk to him let alone try to make Raffy a 1B gives me all the merit I need, and why I have the opinion I do on the Raffy situation.

[moonslav59]

4 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Cora knows Raffy better than anyone, so the Fact that he did not even talk to him let alone try to make Raffy a 1B gives me all the merit I need, and why I have the opinion I do on the Raffy situation.

I'm fine with your opinion, and it has merit.

My position as merit, too, and it does not matter if Cora agrees with it or not. I mean, it matters, because that's who counts, but in the realm of ideas, it matters not.

It doesn't change the fact that thinking Devers would be better at 1B than the worst defensive 1Bman in my memory is not unreasonable.

For all we know, Cora might agree Devers would likely be better on D, just as he might agree Story is better at SS than Bogey, but he has and had his own reasons for choosing not to. That does not invalidate my opinion or make it meritless. I wasn't predicting Cora would do it. I was suggesting it be done.

[Old Red]

It’s like the old adage actions speak louder than words, but in this case Cora’s words, and actions all said the same things.🤓

[Old Red]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

I'm fine with your opinion, and it has merit.

My position as merit, too, and it does not matter if Cora agrees with it or not. I mean, it matters, because that's who counts, but in the realm of ideas, it matters not.

It doesn't change the fact that thinking Devers would be better at 1B than the worst defensive 1Bman in my memory is not unreasonable.

For all we know, Cora might agree Devers would likely be better on D, just as he might agree Story is better at SS than Bogey, but he has and had his own reasons for choosing not to. That does not invalidate my opinion or make it meritless. I wasn't predicting Cora would do it. I was suggesting it be done.

Both Dick Stuart, and Franchy Strange Glove were worse 1B than Casas is.

[Duran Is The Man]

1 hour ago, JoeBrady said:

The problem is, we don't really know how Breslow is handling things.  He might have a chess board on his wall with 20 different possible moves, and only 2-3 are gone.  He might like Bichette as move 1B after Bregman, or he might not like him at all.  We're not going to really know until ST, if then.

i know exactly how Bresloverpay is handling things: poorly.

[moonslav59]

32 minutes ago, Old Red said:

It’s like the old adage actions speak louder than words, but in this case Cora’s words, and actions all said the same things.🤓

Just because Cora chose to not even ask Devers to play 1B does not mean my position has no merit or basis for being valid.

Giving my suggestion was not meant as a prediction, and I fully understand Cora sees things differently than I do- and you too, at times, but so what?

I'm not denying what Cora said and did. He did what he thought was best, and it wasn't what I would have done. That is not proof my opinion has no merit.

[moonslav59]

32 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Both Dick Stuart, and Franchy Strange Glove were worse 1B than Casas is.

I didn't see Stuart, but you might have got me on Franchy.

Good pull.

[notin]

11 hours ago, UtahSox said:

I think Dave actually pushed JH. I think Breslow is such a beta, he can’t sell that at all. Also lost Bregman by 2m a year because Breslow refused to include no trade clause. Most vets with options like him demand that. Seems like common sense Bregman has a family, craves stability, Breslow wife talked about this exact topic in the Netflix show. Crazy he couldn’t be empathetic and let that slide…. Plus Bregman saw what just happened to Devers, this shows how far from reality Breslow is. What a terrible closer, he could be selling glacier water in the Sahara and still get a “well think about it”

Can’t stand that guy. 

Youre working in the realm of theory, and not even supported theory, on the role of thr CBO/GM, and not only holding these theories against Breslow, but pretending the playing field is equal.

When the Sox fired Dombrowski and hired Bloom, they did so to create a sustainable pipeline of minor league talent aka make the team cheaper.

If Dombrowski was all about talking Henry into spending more money, why didn’t he 1) get enough money to keep Betts or 2) buy a closer to replace Kimbrel for 2019?

[jad]

8 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

I didn't see Stuart, but you might have got me on Franchy.

Good pull.

anyone who did not experience the Dick Stuart years (or was it year?) has NO grounds for talking about bad fielding.  (I can't remember, but was Don Buddin still at SS when Stuart came over?  What a combination!)

[mvp 78]

10 hours ago, JoeBrady said:

The problem is, we don't really know how Breslow is handling things.  He might have a chess board on his wall with 20 different possible moves, and only 2-3 are gone.  He might like Bichette as move 1B after Bregman, or he might not like him at all.  We're not going to really know until ST, if then.

There are only so many moves that are available to him. It has been reported that he's not able to work with very many teams which is why he keeps going back to the Cardinals to make deals. He is financially strung by the models and/or JH so the best FA's will never come here long term. At some point, he'll run out of prospects to deal (Sox already ranked 14th on BA). 

If there's a plan B, it probably isn't as good for 2026-7 as Bregman would have been. I don't think the Bregman deal would have been a slam dunk to work out, but we were told that the Sox are in a WS contention window right now. If so, they aren't acting like it. 

[mvp 78]

9 hours ago, Old Red said:

It’s like the old adage actions speak louder than words, but in this case Cora’s words, and actions all said the same things.🤓

Cora wanted to move on from Devers and have his buddy Bregman around. He just didn't realize that Breslow wouldn't be able to get a contract across the finish line. I wonder if he's having second thoughts now with that big hole at the top of the lineup? 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

9 hours ago, Duran Is The Man said:

i know exactly how Bresloverpay is handling things: poorly.

Some here and in the media say the Red Sox have made improvements.

I see these swap-outs : Contreras for Devers, Gray for Giolito, Oviedo for Buehler, Nobody for Bregman... or even Refsnyder. 

Yes, WiLL will play 1B where Raffy refused, but his real position is batting clean-up. We'd all be happy if Gray could duplicate Gio's '25, and Oviedo better be better than Buehler.

But even if Crochet and Chapman don't regress too much and are still All-Stars, a lot seems to depend on the progress of four unproven youngsters: Anthony, Mayer, Early, Tolle. 

Making postseason predictions on potential is folly. The only guarantees are Rafaela will dive, and Duran will sprint -- if they're both back in Boston.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

9 hours ago, Duran Is The Man said:

i know exactly how Bresloverpay is handling things: poorly.

Meanwhile, for all we know, Brez may be doing exactly what Henry wanted, and the owner may be so overjoyed he hasn't signed one single free agent that he'll give Craig an extension.

[Hugh2]

I thought my earlier off season projection of Bo for 240/8 might have been a little too high, now I'm thinking it might even be a little too light.  I don't think he's getting anything out of the 200's but he's going to push high into the 200 million mark.  If Bregman can get 175, Bo will command more. 

[notin]

3 hours ago, jad said:

anyone who did not experience the Dick Stuart years (or was it year?) has NO grounds for talking about bad fielding.  (I can't remember, but was Don Buddin still at SS when Stuart came over?  What a combination!)

Dr. Strangeglove played 2 years in Boston and was charged with an unfathomable 53 errors in that time.

 

But he also did become the first first baseman in MLB history to get 3 assists in one inning.  Of course, it’s entirely possible he also got 3 errors in that same inning..

 

(Buddin played for Boston from ‘56 to ‘61.  Stuart was from ‘63 to ‘64.  So no overlap, plus a potentially relaxing 1962 for the official scorer..)

[mvp 78]

11 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Meanwhile, for all we know, Brez may be doing exactly what Henry wanted, and the owner may be so overjoyed he hasn't signed one single free agent that he'll give Craig an extension.

It's year 3 of Breslow, we may start to hear murmurs around the trade deadline like we did in year 3 of Bloom. 

[mvp 78]

8 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

I thought my earlier off season projection of Bo for 240/8 might have been a little too high, now I'm thinking it might even be a little too light.  I don't think he's getting anything out of the 200's but he's going to push high into the 200 million mark.  If Bregman can get 175, Bo will command more. 

Sox aren't paying that. 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

9 minutes ago, notin said:

Dr. Strangeglove played 2 years in Boston and was charged with an infathomable 53 errors in that time.

 

But he also did become the first first baseman in MLB history to get 3 assists in one inning.  Of course, it’s entirely possible he also got 3 errors in that same inning..

 

(Buddin played for Boston from ‘56 to ‘61.  Stuart was from ‘63 to ‘64.  So no overlap, plus a potentially relaxing 1962 for the official scorer..)

I once tied an all-time record in baseball history for making three put-outs in one inning at first base.

[Hugh2]

18 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Sox aren't paying that. 

That would be a wise bet

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, jad said:

anyone who did not experience the Dick Stuart years (or was it year?) has NO grounds for talking about bad fielding.  (I can't remember, but was Don Buddin still at SS when Stuart came over?  What a combination!)

I was like 3 years old and living out of New England.

When I said "worst I've ever seen," I didn't need to include unseen players.