Bregman signs with the Cubs

[moonslav59]

13 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

Being on a 1 year deal, he had incentive to excel!!  
if early and/or Tolle step forward big time, gray could also be tremendous trade bait for prospects come July for some nl contender 

Breggie had incentive his last year with HOU, too.

His failures that year forced the pillow contract.

[moonslav59]

5 hours ago, Old Red said:

As it turned out? Y E S! One, and done.🤮

I thought it was all about winning and making the playoffs to you.

No Breggie- no playoffs in 2025.

You doubt that?

You wish we did not sign him and miss the playoffs?

I love it, love it, love it!

[Randy Red Sox]

2 hours ago, JoeBrady said:

Yup, I still remember the cries of 'cheap' when we signed Beltre.

how many years ago was that?

[Randy Red Sox]

2 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I thought it was all about winning and making the playoffs to you.

No Breggie- no playoffs in 2025.

You doubt that?

You wish we did not sign him and miss the playoffs?

I love it, love it, love it!

had we of just kept Devers we probably still made the post season PLUS the fact we would have had 40 million to spend on other areas so I don't agree with your point.

[Bellhorn04]

45 minutes ago, Tedballgame said:

If the Red Sox offered 5/150 would that be lowballing? I don't think so. The Cubs over paid.

And the other remaining free agent bats will likely be overpaid too.  Sometimes it comes down to good old supply and demand, and the supply is pretty small. 

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, Randy Red Sox said:

Not me. Bregman is all about the $$ and I would have not matched that. 

I would not have come close to matching the Cubs, but if a player being all about money is the reason to not sign a FA, be prepared to never sign any,

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

1 minute ago, Bellhorn04 said:

And the other remaining free agent bats will likely be overpaid too.  Sometimes it comes down to good old supply and demand, and the supply is pretty small. 

The Cubs may regret the Bregman deal but their fans won't. 

Chicago's front office knew that once Bregman signed with someone, that Bichette's pricetag would then be even higher.

[moonslav59]

Just now, Bellhorn04 said:

And the other remaining free agent bats will likely be overpaid too.  Sometimes it comes down to good old supply and demand, and the supply is pretty small. 

They key to JH seems to be more about the years than the AAV, so maybe we can win the Suarez sweepstakes. If he gets 3 years, maybe not.

We haven't signed a FA player to 3 years or more since Masas and Story. Before that it was re-signing Nate (2019.) That's 2 players in 7 year- neither one being a mega AAV. 

The last real large and long FA signing was Price back in 2016- fully 10 YEARS AGO!!!

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

The Cubs may regret the Bregman deal but their fans won't. 

Chicago's front office knew that once Bregman signed with someone, that Bichette's pricetag would then be even higher.

Why won't the fans, if he gets hurt like Story or underperforms like Masa?

[moonslav59]

Anyone wish we signed Bogey to $175M/5 back in spring 2022? (2023-2027)

We never hear about him, anymore. It used to be "Betts and Bogey...."

[ThisSox]

14 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Sign Suarez and trade an OF'er for a #2.

Exactly.  Live with his defense at 3rd I guess. Mayer at second and Suarez at 3rd isn't a disaster at all and Suarez can situationally protect Roman. 

[Bellhorn04]

19 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Why won't the fans, if he gets hurt like Story or underperforms like Masa?

Fans are jerks LOL.  If Crochet or Anthony get hurt this year we'll be bitching about them too.  It's pretty hard to find a beloved player who isn't playing or performing up to their contract.

[moonslav59]

10 minutes ago, ThisSox said:

Exactly.  Live with his defense at 3rd I guess. Mayer at second and Suarez at 3rd isn't a disaster at all and Suarez can situationally protect Roman. 

I think we see Anthony leading off. Maybe Duran 3rd and Suarez 4th.

Contreras has a nice OBP, so maybe we bat him in the key #2 slot.

1. L Anthony LF

2. R Contreras 1B/C

3. L Duran DH/LF/CF

4. R Suarez 3B/1B

5. L Abreu RF (full time)

6. R Story SS

7. L Mayer 2B/3B &  R Romy 2B/1B (platoon)

8. R Narvaez C or L Masa DH (if Contreras is at C and Duran in LF or on bench v L)

9. R Rafaela CF

[moonslav59]

8 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Fans are jerks LOL.  If Crochet or Anthony get hurt this year we'll be bitching about them too.  It's pretty hard to find a beloved player who isn't playing or performing up to their contract.

I'm not thrilled with the idea of praying for plus health and significant upticks from our pre-prime and peak prime players, but it's not something outlandish.

I'm no fan of Vientos or Donovan, but if we could get one without losing Duran, and or trade Duran for Lodolo, I think we'd have a pretty decent shot at being significantly better in 2026.

Add Suarez and Lodolo/Bubic/Peralta or even Keller/Singer/Gore/Alcantara/Lopez/Castillo and maybe we can reach top 6 projections.

Fangraph's has us ranked 9th in projected fWAR, now...

0.2 from #8 PHI

0.3 from BAL (I think we are already better than BAL, but the Cubs might have passed us, so call this even)

0.5 from #6 NYM

2.1 from #5 SEA

Getting to #5 will be hard, especially if SEA or NYY add someone this winter.

[UtahSox]

1 hour ago, Tedballgame said:

If the Red Sox offered 5/150 would that be lowballing? I don't think so. The Cubs over paid.

70 million deferred. This was not a deal that would have harmed the Red Sox in any way, shape, or form. Maybe dipped net profit of team for 2-3 years by 20-30m deck chairs for JH’s new yacht. Those that are always risk-averse, never do anything ever they can talk themselves out of everything, sounds familiar? “Scared money don’t make money” as the kids say. Beta Breslow has no plan.
 

[UtahSox]

48 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Anyone wish we signed Bogey to $175M/5 back in spring 2022? (2023-2027)

We never hear about him, anymore. It used to be "Betts and Bogey...."

True 11 years slightly different than 5 tho. 

[UtahSox]

46 minutes ago, ThisSox said:

Exactly.  Live with his defense at 3rd I guess. Mayer at second and Suarez at 3rd isn't a disaster at all and Suarez can situationally protect Roman. 

So now the after thought of Seattle offseason is our prized addition? Sad deal

Crazy how hard we are coping with an owner, who has radically pivoted his business model. 

[Bellhorn04]

18 minutes ago, UtahSox said:

70 million deferred. This was not a deal that would have harmed the Red Sox in any way, shape, or form. Maybe dipped net profit of team for 2-3 years by 20-30m deck chairs for JH’s new yacht. Those that are always risk-averse, never do anything ever they can talk themselves out of everything, sounds familiar? “Scared money don’t make money” as the kids say. Beta Breslow has no plan.
 

Seems more likely ownership and not Breslow is the problem.    

[UtahSox]

3 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Seems more likely ownership and not Breslow is the problem.    

No, I hundred percent agree, but I think it’s the GM’s job or whatever the hell made up title he has (CBO). GM must have a pulse of the product, fans, and push ownership to do the right thing. which is put the best product on the field, get a deep October run. This is what I think Dave Dombrowski did freaking miss that guy.

[Bellhorn04]

4 minutes ago, UtahSox said:

No, I hundred percent agree, but I think it’s the GM’s job or whatever the hell made up title he has (CBO). GM must have a pulse of the product, fans, and push ownership to do the right thing. which is put the best product on the field, get a deep October run. This is what I think Dave Dombrowski did freaking miss that guy.

Yeah, it seems pretty obvious Henry just didn't want the Dombrowski all-in approach any more.    

[a700hitter]

15 hours ago, Randy Red Sox said:

they didn't lose them for nothing.  JH just saved himself over 70 million and the park will still be full. The man is no fool.

They may not even sell out Opening Day.

[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

The Cubs may regret the Bregman deal but their fans won't. 

They won't until they do.  Every FA looks good, until they don't.  I still remember the rejoicing in Colorado over signed Bryant, while I was telling them, before he even stepped on the field, that they should trade him to the RS, along with $51M.  That's how overpaid he was, even on the first day.

Bregman is better than that, but the number I came up with to Kimmi was $125M/5 based on his projected WAR and decline.

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, UtahSox said:

True 11 years slightly different than 5 tho. 

Of course, but many mentioned $200M/6, and we are not sure Bogey would have taken that, anyway.

It might not turn out to be be bad, but nobody is crying about losing him, anymore. We may view the loss of Breggie in a similar light, 4-5 years from now. 

Remember the uproar after losing Ellsbury? And to the Yanks!

Cricketts...

[notin]

4 hours ago, Randy Red Sox said:

in hindsigt YES.  I certainly don't think he was worth 40 million.  I also think it was badly handled with Devers. Yes Devers overreacted after he ALLEGEDLY refused to play 1B but I am pretty sure that I read/heard somewhere that Cora said he never asked him. to play 1B.

I am not defending Devers at all but I don't really recall being a bad team-mate BEFORE Bregman arrived. Terrible defensive 3B yes but not a real bad team-mate. And now we have neither and your hope is to sign Suarez who overall is not as good a player as Devers and will cost close to the same $$.

So YES in hindsight signing Bregman was a mistake and not even getting a comp pick makes it even worse.

Devers openly refused to play 1b in multiple interviews, unless you think his interpreter is a blatant liar…

[moonslav59]

We dropped the ball replacing Devers at the deadline.

The ball is still on the ground. The Bregman loss only highlights the need to add some serious O.

[Randy Red Sox]

19 minutes ago, notin said:

Devers openly refused to play 1b in multiple interviews, unless you think his interpreter is a blatant liar…

i guess Cora was just sticking up for him then?

[notin]

2 hours ago, Bellhorn04 said:

And the other remaining free agent bats will likely be overpaid too.  Sometimes it comes down to good old supply and demand, and the supply is pretty small. 

Whats the demand for Bichette?

Tucker snd Bellinger are still on the market as well…

[notin]

1 minute ago, Randy Red Sox said:

i guess Cora was just sticking up for him then?

Or accurately recounting a situation.  Devers allegedly refused before Cora asked him, so Cora is just recanting a timeline..

[Randy Red Sox]

6 minutes ago, notin said:

Whats the demand for Bichette?

Tucker snd Bellinger are still on the market as well…

just what we need-another OFer

[moonslav59]

8 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

i guess Cora was just sticking up for him then?

He is known as THE "player's manager" for good reason.

Word is, he did not even personally ask Devers to play 1B.