Why sign Houck and Casas?

[drewski6]

5 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Earth to Craig!!!

I would pay money to see gary sanchez footrace triston casas.  In a 40 yrd dash, we'd prob have time to watch the beginning, go get a beer, and make it back for the end.

[mvp 78]

37 minutes ago, Old Red said:

I don’t think Cora has committed to Mayer at 3B at all. It was just said the Red Sox would rather have Mayer play 3B than 2B.

We got a quote from Cora about Story, but just hearsay about Mayer. I couldn't find anything more than "Red Sox would be fine with Mayer at 3b," "prefer him at 3b over 3b" and "are expecting to have Mayer replace Bregman at 3b" are "looking for options at 2b." 

This doesn't necessarily rule out them moving him over. 

Why can't they move the guy who Cora once called the best 2b in the AL over to that position? It would be "a tough move" to shift Story off of SS as his bad defense down the stretch was due to "a long season." 

[mvp 78]

10 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

I would pay money to see gary sanchez footrace triston casas.  In a 40 yrd dash, we'd prob have time to watch the beginning, go get a beer, and make it back for the end.

Casas is the only guy 25 or younger in the bottom 20 in sprint speed. 

[Old Red]

17 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

We got a quote from Cora about Story, but just hearsay about Mayer. I couldn't find anything more than "Red Sox would be fine with Mayer at 3b," "prefer him at 3b over 3b" and "are expecting to have Mayer replace Bregman at 3b" are "looking for options at 2b." 

This doesn't necessarily rule out them moving him over. 

Why can't they move the guy who Cora once called the best 2b in the AL over to that position? It would be "a tough move" to shift Story off of SS as his bad defense down the stretch was due to "a long season." 

That was the theory that Story wore down at the end of the season. I don’t think they think Mayer is ready yet to play a FT SS. Story on the other hand wouldn’t have the range he did the last time he played 2B, because he wouldn’t be able to play short RF like he did before they changed the shift rules.

[Hugh2]

1 hour ago, notin said:

The point was Cora spoke too quickly commiting Mayer as his 3b.  It’s really no big deal…

I'm sure I lost something in the conversation, but I think everyone knows Mayer is playing an infield position.  Which one? could change between now and ST. 

[notin]

Just now, Hugh2 said:

I'm sure I lost something in the conversation, but I think everyone knows Mayer is playing an infield position.  Which one? could change between now and ST. 

My point.  Cora verbally said Mayer was his 3b, but that means nothing now…

[Hugh2]

8 minutes ago, notin said:

My point.  Cora verbally said Mayer was his 3b, but that means nothing now…

He very well may be, but I'm sure the Sox are very comfortable moving him to 2B if the right guy comes along who can play 3B. 

[JoeBrady]

2 hours ago, FredLynn said:

We all know what the Cheapskate

Do you have a quota on how many times a day you write 'cheapskate'?

[drewski6]

11 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

Do you have a quota on how many times a day you write 'cheapskate'?

Careful. He will punt on the season.

[JoeBrady]

13 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Careful. He will punt on the season.

It's a long year.  He only has to repeat it 365 times, and he's probably up to 35-40 already.  He needs to pace himself.

[drewski6]

1 minute ago, JoeBrady said:

It's a long year.  He only has to repeat it 365 times, and he's probably up to 35-40 already.  He needs to pace himself.

And do you think youre helping that by needling him?

[notin]

2 hours ago, drewski6 said:

I would pay money to see gary sanchez footrace triston casas.  In a 40 yrd dash, we'd prob have time to watch the beginning, go get a beer, and make it back for the end.

… and get another Master’s degree…

[notin]

48 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

Do you have a quota on how many times a day you write 'cheapskate'?

He bought the trademark.  Every time he types it, he has to pay himself a penny.

 

”Tightwad” and “Scrooge” are still public domain…

[Hugh2]

IDK $268.9 million committed payroll.  Which they will pay an additional $8 million.  SO in a sense they're paying 276 million in payroll. 

He ain't LA.....but he ain't cheap. 

[Kimmi]

14 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

IDK $268.9 million committed payroll.  Which they will pay an additional $8 million.  SO in a sense they're paying 276 million in payroll. 

He ain't LA.....but he ain't cheap. 

I just don't understand the sentiment that Henry is cheap.  I guess until he spends like the Dodgers, he will be considered cheap by some.

Breslow, and thereby Henry, said he would repurpose the money from Devers contract.  He has done that.  He said he would get us a #2 pitcher.  He has done that.  And then some.

The only thing remaining on his to do list is adding a big bat.  He somewhat did that with Contreras, but not enough.  We need another infielder.  I am very confident that one is coming.  At this point, I'd be just as good adding a strong defensive 2B or 3B over an offensive one.

[Hugh2]

Just now, Kimmi said:

I just don't understand the sentiment that Henry is cheap.  I guess until he spends like the Dodgers, he will be considered cheap by some.

Breslow, and thereby Henry, said he would repurpose the money from Devers contract.  He has done that.  He said he would get us a #2 pitcher.  He has done that.  And then some.

The only thing remaining on his to do list is adding a big bat.  He somewhat did that with Contreras, but not enough.  We need another infielder.  I am very confident that one is coming.  At this point, I'd be just as good adding a strong defensive 2B or 3B over an offensive one.

Yeah, I mean I get it, people want the big names, but the reality is they're pretty much going to LA or NY and that's it.  But I think it's about how they spend it.  The Dodgers might go out and get the nice shiny toy everyone wants for $50 million, while the Red Sox will go out and get two $20 million dollar men instead.  When one of those guys falters....it looks bad. 

But calling them cheap is just a lazy argument. 

I can't throw too much shade, as I've been very critical of the front office at various times this offseasons. To SOME extent I think that's just the length of the mlb offseason.  It's absurdly slow, much unlike the other sports where free agency is pretty much one week.  MLB should try to do the same thing. 

But if they go out and add a good infielder, I'd have a hard time criticizing this offseason. 

[Kimmi]

4 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

Yeah, I mean I get it, people want the big names, but the reality is they're pretty much going to LA or NY and that's it.  But I think it's about how they spend it.  The Dodgers might go out and get the nice shiny toy everyone wants for $50 million, while the Red Sox will go out and get two $20 million dollar men instead.  When one of those guys falters....it looks bad. 

But calling them cheap is just a lazy argument. 

I can't throw too much shade, as I've been very critical of the front office at various times this offseasons. To SOME extent I think that's just the length of the mlb offseason.  It's absurdly slow, much unlike the other sports where free agency is pretty much one week.  MLB should try to do the same thing. 

But if they go out and add a good infielder, I'd have a hard time criticizing this offseason. 

I am not a fan of signing the shiny toy for an outrageous contract.  I'd much prefer to get the two "2nd tier" players for $20M each on shorter terms.  IMO, it's a better value.

Breslow has done quite a bit this offseason.  I am very pleased with his work so far this offseason.  We need that one remaining piece...

[JoeBrady]

36 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

The Dodgers might go out and get the nice shiny toy everyone wants for $50 million, while the Red Sox will go out and get two $20 million dollar men instead. 

I've been saying that since it was just us and the NYY.  Trying to outbid the NYY would almost certainly result in a bad contract.  Now it's LA and the NYMs.  The rest of the league is going to bid like us.

[moonslav59]

12 hours ago, Old Red said:

Oh no another I’m not defending, or apologizing for JH piece. Where have I seen that before?🤔

You should be asking who keeps misrepresenting my views and motives as being apologetic, so I have to keep saying this as a disclaimer.

BTW, the answer is you and a few others.

[FredLynn]

3 hours ago, JoeBrady said:

Do you have a quota on how many times a day you write 'cheapskate'?

Does the term bother you? I could use other words. 
“Miserly”

”Tightwad”

”Penny pincher”

You choose

[moonslav59]

10 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Does the term bother you? I could use other words. 
“Miserly”

”Tightwad”

”Penny pincher”

You choose

Add two more choices:

All of the above (2019-2024, yes, as well as sporadic times beforehand.)

None of the above (2025-2026 yes, none of the above applies.)

[Old Red]

48 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

You should be asking who keeps misrepresenting my views and motives as being apologetic, so I have to keep saying this as a disclaimer.

BTW, the answer is you and a few others.

The funny part is whether you say you are not apologizing, or defending JH you really are just like you did with Bloom no matter how many times you say you are not. There is nothing wrong with that, so I don’t know why you try so hard to deny it,🙈

[Old Red]

13 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Add two more choices:

All of the above (2019-2024, yes, as well as sporadic times beforehand.)

None of the above (2025-2026 yes, none of the above applies.)

I all depends on what is meant by cheap. It does seem though that the Red Sox are usually talking cheaper options just like Con Man instead of Alonso, and Ranger instead of Bregman this year. Bregman was plan A was he not?

[moonslav59]

Just now, Old Red said:

I all depends on what is meant by cheap. It does seem though that the Red Sox are usually talking cheaper options just like Con Man instead of Alonso, and Ranger instead of Bregman this year. Bregman was plan A was he not?

Yes, that's my point. 

We can argue that Brez messed up, if we want, but Ranger cost about the same as Bregman (after deferrals) and Contreras + Gray cost about as much as Alonso.

How can we not be cheap, if we signed Alonso & Bregman but are cheap for paying the same for Ranger, Contreras & Gray?

Were we cheap, last winter, because our $21M picther sucked? We spent over $40M on pitching: Buehler, Sandoval, Chapman & Wilson and $40M on Bregman.

JH has been a miser, and probably will be again. I was not happy with that. He just has not been one for two winters.

[moonslav59]

40 minutes ago, Old Red said:

The funny part is whether you say you are not apologizing, or defending JH you really are just like you did with Bloom no matter how many times you say you are not. There is nothing wrong with that, so I don’t know why you try so hard to deny it,🙈

Stating facts that counter someone's point made, while saying I'm pissed at JH, too is not apologizing.

When I respond to posts like this, you accuse me of repeating the same thing over and over, and it's precisely because of you I have to repeat myself.

No, there is nothing wrong with defending JH, and some do. If some of my statements sound like I am, so be it. I don't see it that way. I am glad he took over the team and brought us 4 rings, but I'm not happy with the major cutbacks on spending- sometimes when it looks like the window is wide open.

I'm not trying hard to deny something I don't believe, but go on pretending you know my beliefs all you want. It's what you do best.

[JoeBrady]

2 hours ago, FredLynn said:

Does the term bother you? I could use other words. 
“Miserly”

”Tightwad”

”Penny pincher”

You choose

The first two are fine.

Now that we've worked on your words, I want you to start referring to JH himself by different names.

[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

just like Con Man

Who is the Con Man?

[notin]

3 hours ago, JoeBrady said:

I've been saying that since it was just us and the NYY.  Trying to outbid the NYY would almost certainly result in a bad contract.  Now it's LA and the NYMs.  The rest of the league is going to bid like us.

And the Mets are a laughingstock.  They might represent the worst use of $350 million dollars since Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny.

And for what it costs to fix that pitching staff, I’m going to have to start making expensive bad movie titles up, like Sharkzilla vs the Little Mermaid or Avatar IV - Bloodsucking Needles…

[moonslav59]

25 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

Who is the Con Man?

Maybe Contreras, one of the most honest men in MLB.

Very fitting nickname! LOL.

[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, notin said:

Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny

I never heard of it.  Until I Wiki'd it and realized I had seen it.  I think DoD is still more logical than the Mets.