Red Sox 2025 Season Review/Offseason Preview Thread

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

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This sounds like a joke. I know he fits the age criteria, as the Sox have extended players near that age for many years, but I just can't see it happening.

I also do not think Bichette fill the power void we have. I've also learned that decent to okay defensive SSs may not be decent on defense at 2B.

Please pass on Bichette.

Go for Paredes and maybe a #2 SP.

Bichette might get $230/8 or more.

I'm not a fan of Framber after his 2025 antics, but he might go for $160M/5.

I'd rather have Ranger Suarez at $125M/5 or so.

I'd rather have E Suarez at $50M/2 or $70M/3. Hell, both Suarezes cost less than Bichette.

I don't think adding Gallen (Cost too much for me) or Gio ($35M/2?)would help, unless one allows us to trade Crawford, Sandoval or Harrison with others for a big add at 3B or 2B.

Don't be surprised if we sign Realmuto ($32M/2) and Nick Martinez. ($28M/2) which is about the same AAV as our Bregman offer.

[notin]

3 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

This sounds like a joke. I know he fits the age criteria, as the Sox have extended players near that age for many years, but I just can't see it happening.

I also do not think Bichette fill the power void we have. I've also learned that decent to okay defensive SSs may not be decent on defense at 2B.

Please pass on Bichette.

Go for Paredes and maybe a #2 SP.

Bichette might get $230/8 or more.

I'm not a fan of Framber after his 2025 antics, but he might go for $160M/5.

I'd rather have Ranger Suarez at $125M/5 or so.

I'd rather have E Suarez at $50M/2 or $70M/3. Hell, both Suarezes cost less than Bichette.

I don't think adding Gallen (Cost too much for me) or Gio ($35M/2?)would help, unless one allows us to trade Crawford, Sandoval or Harrison with others for a big add at 3B or 2B.

Don't be surprised if we sign Realmuto ($32M/2) and Nick Martinez. ($28M/2) which is about the same AAV as our Bregman offer.

Gallen might not be worth giving up a draft pick for, unless he has a Chris Sale-esque comeback…

[moonslav59]

3 minutes ago, notin said:

Gallen might not be worth giving up a draft pick for, unless he has a Chris Sale-esque comeback…

Aren't we all tired of banking on a comeback?

Richards

Kluber

Paxton

Wacha & Hill (did okay)

Giolito (did fine year 2)

Hendriks

Sandoval (TBD)

Buehler

 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

8 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

This sounds like a joke. I know he fits the age criteria, as the Sox have extended players near that age for many years, but I just can't see it happening.

I also do not think Bichette fill the power void we have. I've also learned that decent to okay defensive SSs may not be decent on defense at 2B.

Please pass on Bichette.

Go for Paredes and maybe a #2 SP.

Bichette might get $230/8 or more.

I'm not a fan of Framber after his 2025 antics, but he might go for $160M/5.

I'd rather have Ranger Suarez at $125M/5 or so.

I'd rather have E Suarez at $50M/2 or $70M/3. Hell, both Suarezes cost less than Bichette.

I don't think adding Gallen (Cost too much for me) or Gio ($35M/2?)would help, unless one allows us to trade Crawford, Sandoval or Harrison with others for a big add at 3B or 2B.

Don't be surprised if we sign Realmuto ($32M/2) and Nick Martinez. ($28M/2) which is about the same AAV as our Bregman offer.

FROM NOW ON:

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I'm no longer interested in wasting time clicking any Red Sox headlines with "interested" in them.

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[notin]

4 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Aren't we all tired of banking on a comeback?

Richards

Kluber

Paxton

Wacha & Hill (did okay)

Giolito (did fine year 2)

Hendriks

Sandoval (TBD)

Buehler

 

I’m not worried.  I don’t think Gallen is on their radar, if only because of the QO…

[moonslav59]

Just now, notin said:

I’m not worried.  I don’t think Gallen is on their radar, if only because of the QO…

Thank God for that QO!!!!

[notin]

Just now, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

FROM NOW ON:

I aggressively refuse to click any Red Sox report with "aggressively" in the headline.

I'm no longer interested in wasting time clicking any Red Sox headlines with "interested" in them.

And I predict I won't click any more Red Sox news with "predict" in the headline.

I will, however, only agree to click articles that state the Red Sox and a free agent or trade partner "agree" on a contract or deal...

And I’m predicting you won’t abide by this prediction…

[moonslav59]

Read this on MLBTR about the Skankees...

Weathers should fortify the rotation with Gerrit Cole, Carlos Rodon and Clarke Schmidt all opening the season on the injured list.

[notin]

8 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Thank God for that QO!!!!

Gallen isn’t horrible.  
 

I wouldn’t put him in the same class as Richard, Kluber, etc.  Hes not coming off injury and he was worth over 12 fWAR from 2022-2024.  He just had a rough 2025.

He’s also somehow still only 30 and he looks like a high school chemistry teacher.

His 1.1 fWAR in 2025 wasn’t that much worse than Bello (1.9 fWAR).  Of course it’s also equal to what Early gave Boston in a microscopic 14 IP.

I get why he rejected the QO. But the combination makes him much less desirable…

[mvp 78]

28 minutes ago, notin said:

Gallen might not be worth giving up a draft pick for, unless he has a Chris Sale-esque comeback…

Doesn't seem likely. Not worth the QO.

[moonslav59]

7 minutes ago, notin said:

Gallen isn’t horrible.  
 

I wouldn’t put him in the same class as Richard, Kluber, etc.  Hes not coming off injury and he was worth over 12 fWAR from 2022-2024.  He just had a rough 2025.

He’s also somehow still only 30 and he looks like a high school chemistry teacher.

His 1.1 fWAR in 2025 wasn’t that much worse than Bello (1.9 fWAR).  Of course it’s also equal to what Early gave Boston in a microscopic 14 IP.

I get why he rejected the QO. But the combination makes him much less desirable…

He showed some serious decline in 2024, too, so I don't see it as a one year possible blip. Maybe he can rebound, but it would be a rebound.

BTW, Buehler wasn't injured either. Neither was Gio, when we signed him. Kluber had pitched a full season before we signed him. Those "hopes for rebounds" were based more in return to glory hopes than come back from injury to prior form hopes.

Galen fWAR

4.2 '22> 5.2 '23 (the guy we want to see again)> 2.8 '24> 1.1 '25

xFIP: 3.31>3.49>3.62>4.12

ERA-: 62>79>88>114

No thanks. If we did sign him, I'm not pencilling him in above Gray in the #2 slot. I doubt I'd slot him above Bello either.

[mvp 78]

15 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Read this on MLBTR about the Skankees...

Weathers should fortify the rotation with Gerrit Cole, Carlos Rodon and Clarke Schmidt all opening the season on the injured list.

Rodon is expected back mid-April to early-May. Hard to say what Cole will be be. 

[notin]

9 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

He showed some serious decline in 2024, too, so I don't see it as a one year possible blip. Maybe he can rebound, but it would be a rebound.

BTW, Buehler wasn't injured either. Neither was Gio, when we signed him. Kluber had pitched a full season before we signed him. Those "hopes for rebounds" were based more in return to glory hopes than come back from injury to prior form hopes.

Galen fWAR

4.2 '22> 5.2 '23 (the guy we want to see again)> 2.8 '24> 1.1 '25

xFIP: 3.31>3.49>3.62>4.12

ERA-: 62>79>88>114

No thanks. If we did sign him, I'm not pencilling him in above Gray in the #2 slot. I doubt I'd slot him above Bello either.

I’d just assume go with Early.  Focus on 3b/2b (or SS if an opportunity arises) and bullpen…

[notin]

37 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Aren't we all tired of banking on a comeback?

Richards

Kluber

Paxton

Wacha & Hill (did okay)

Giolito (did fine year 2)

Hendriks

Sandoval (TBD)

Buehler

 

No.  What people are tired of is waiting on comebacks that don’t pan out.

I don’t recall anyone being upset with Aroldis Chapman last year…

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

Rodon is expected back mid-April to early-May. Hard to say what Cole will be be. 

I know I've said this before, but if we had these same 3 pitchers topping our rotation and beginning the year on the IL, the sky would be falling.

Yet, most here, including myself, have the Yanks projected with more wins than BOS in 2026.

[moonslav59]

50 minutes ago, notin said:

No.  What people are tired of is waiting on comebacks that don’t pan out.

That was implied.

Only Wacha and Hill kinda worked out. Gio gave us 1 good year.

[moonslav59]

51 minutes ago, notin said:

I don’t recall anyone being upset with Aroldis Chapman last year…

Most felt we needed to add more than Chapman and Wilson.

Some viewed Hendriks as the most likely closer, if healthy.

[Old Red]

7 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Most felt we needed to add more than Chapman and Wilson.

Some viewed Hendriks as the most likely closer, if healthy.

Chapman was more than a pleasant surprise. When he was signed I don’t think the Red Sox had nothing more than a 7-8 inning guy planned for him with Hendricks as the closer. Chapman said himself that a role wasn’t even discussed with him when he signed.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

31 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I know I've said this before, but if we had these same 3 pitchers topping our rotation and beginning the year on the IL, the sky would be falling.

Yet, most here, including myself, have the Yanks projected with more wins than BOS in 2026.

But we have 12 Number Fives!

The one reason anyone rates New York over Boston is because the Yankees have a Hall of Famer.

The Red Sox have some Hall of Gamers.

[Duran Is The Man]

2 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

This sounds like a joke. I know he fits the age criteria, as the Sox have extended players near that age for many years, but I just can't see it happening.

I also do not think Bichette fill the power void we have. I've also learned that decent to okay defensive SSs may not be decent on defense at 2B.

Please pass on Bichette.

Go for Paredes and maybe a #2 SP.

Bichette might get $230/8 or more.

I'm not a fan of Framber after his 2025 antics, but he might go for $160M/5.

I'd rather have Ranger Suarez at $125M/5 or so.

I'd rather have E Suarez at $50M/2 or $70M/3. Hell, both Suarezes cost less than Bichette.

I don't think adding Gallen (Cost too much for me) or Gio ($35M/2?)would help, unless one allows us to trade Crawford, Sandoval or Harrison with others for a big add at 3B or 2B.

Don't be surprised if we sign Realmuto ($32M/2) and Nick Martinez. ($28M/2) which is about the same AAV as our Bregman offer.

i'd do both Suarezeseseses for what you proposed. but Henry would have to spend money for them, so i don't see it happening.

[JoeBrady]

2 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Doesn't seem likely. Not worth the QO.

Pass.  He didn't pitch well after his injury in 2024, and was weak in 2025.

[drewski6]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

I know I've said this before, but if we had these same 3 pitchers topping our rotation and beginning the year on the IL, the sky would be falling.

Yet, most here, including myself, have the Yanks projected with more wins than BOS in 2026.

Funny what having elite hitting can do

[drewski6]

Bo was unstoppable last year before he got hurt, he came back for the world series, played hurt, and you still couldnt get him out. He was beating elite pitchers hurt.  He was on absolute fire. Granted its baseball, and streaky in general.  But I think you have to put a little extra weight on what youve seen most recently.  Which makes Bo look 10x better than Geno.

Im certainly NOT over here hoping we dont move on Bo.  

The pitching is already elite close to elite as well.

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

But we have 12 Number Fives!

Depends how you rate SP'ers. If you go by the idea that a #1 is a top 3 SP'er, and a #2 is 31-60 and so on, then fWAR would score them this way from 2025's numbers:

#1 Crochet (4th ranked)

#1 Gray (20th)

#2 Bello (60th)

#5 Oviedo & Harrison

NR Sandoval & Crawford

We lost a #3 Giolito (65th) and maybe a #3 in Dobbins (#114th in a half season) plus #5s Buehler, Fitts & Houck.

 

[notin]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

Chapman said himself that a role wasn’t even discussed with him when he signed.

He was out in the garage peppering the wall with bullets…

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, Duran Is The Man said:

i'd do both Suarezeseseses for what you proposed. but Henry would have to spend money for them, so i don't see it happening.

I guess you didn't see the 2025 Bregman, Buehler and Chapman signings coming, either.

[notin]

1 hour ago, Duran Is The Man said:

i'd do both Suarezeseseses for what you proposed. but Henry would have to spend money for them, so i don't see it happening.

I never knew the plural of Suarez.  Thank you…

[Duran Is The Man]

6 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I guess you didn't see the 2025 Bregman, Buehler and Chapman signings coming, either.

[notin]

5 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I guess you didn't see the 2025 Bregman, Buehler and Chapman signings coming, either.

3 one year deals…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

4 hours ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

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