Red Sox 2025 Trade Deadline Thread

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

26 minutes ago, sk7326 said:

As far as October goes they need one of these #4/#5 guys to get hot.  Fortunately the Top 3 looks solid.  

There's talk Tolle will be brought up sooner rather than later.

[sk7326]

28 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

There's talk Tolle will be brought up sooner rather than later.

Maybe.  I think Sandlin is at least as plausible.  While the Sox lack a solid #4/#5, they have a TON of Fitts-like randos they can throw at the problem and see what sticks.  

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, sk7326 said:

Maybe.  I think Sandlin is at least as plausible.  While the Sox lack a solid #4/#5, they have a TON of Fitts-like randos they can throw at the problem and see what sticks.  

With 4-5 guys on the IL, it is kind of amazing we still have choices.

Buehler & May

Criswell & Fitts

Harrison & Sandlin

[Hitch]

10 hours ago, FredLynn said:

I very much doubt that May will be an improvement over Dobbins/Fitts. We needed a Ferrari and Breslow got us a Ford.

The problem being of course, is that they were selling Ferraris at Formula 1 car prices. 

[cp176]

Big difference I think between a healthy Dobbins and Fitts.  I’m hoping that a healthy Dobbins is going to be a major player next season.

[Bellhorn04]

9 hours ago, sk7326 said:

Maybe.  I think Sandlin is at least as plausible.  While the Sox lack a solid #4/#5, they have a TON of Fitts-like randos they can throw at the problem and see what sticks.  

"Fitts-like randos" LOL.  The way we talk about these guys.

[Bellhorn04]

12 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

We actually needed 2 starters better than Buehler, unless you think Criswell is for real.

Jeez moon, one would think you're condemning Breslow for not emptying the farm at the deadline.

[mvp 78]

9 hours ago, sk7326 said:

Maybe.  I think Sandlin is at least as plausible.  While the Sox lack a solid #4/#5, they have a TON of Fitts-like randos they can throw at the problem and see what sticks.  

Sandlin is being primed for a relief role right now. 

[notin]

38 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

"Fitts-like randos" LOL.  The way we talk about these guys.

No kidding.

Only 780 humans are talented enough to suit up for MLB games on any given day, yet some folks act like half of them got there via the same process as jury duty…

[mvp 78]

11 minutes ago, notin said:

No kidding.

Only 780 humans are talented enough to suit up for MLB games on any given day, yet some folks act like half of them got there via the same process as jury duty…

I'd say it's a little less than half. 

[moonslav59]

34 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Jeez moon, one would think you're condemning Breslow for not emptying the farm at the deadline.

I've never been for emptying the farm. 

I do think he could have offered a little more and gotten a little better. 

I hope May shuts me up, just like Chapman did.

[moonslav59]

35 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Sandlin is being primed for a relief role right now. 

Will Sandlin be added to the 40, soon?

[drewski6]

13 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Don’t need Ryan, but someone better than Buehler

Yeah, I feel we should have pulled the trigger on someone between Ryan and May, and I would have PREFERRED it be a rental vs include Duran or Abreu

But we're rolling so Im not as concerned about it as I was immediately after deadline.

At risk of sounding repetitive, I think we hung around negotiating for Joe Ryan for too long, and by the time we came out of that, we had to act quick, so we overpaid for a guy the Dodgers promised to help find a new home cuz he got kicked out of their rotation

[drewski6]

13 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

We actually needed 2 starters better than Buehler, unless you think Criswell is for real.

I wasnt aware of these 5 man playoff rotations

[Bellhorn04]

1 minute ago, drewski6 said:

Yeah, I feel we should have pulled the trigger on someone between Ryan and May, and I would have PREFERRED it be a rental vs include Duran or Abreu

But we're rolling so Im not as concerned about it as I was immediately after deadline.

At risk of sounding repetitive, I think we hung around negotiating for Joe Ryan for too long, and by the time we came out of that, we had to act quick, so we overpaid for a guy the Dodgers promised to help find a new home cuz he got kicked out of their rotation

What evidence is there that they were seriously negotiating on Ryan?  What I heard was that their offer wasn't close and that they balked at the Twins insistence on Duran or Abreu being part of the package.    

[moonslav59]

27 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

I wasnt aware of these 5 man playoff rotations

We haven't made the playoffs, yet, and someone can get hurt, right?

[drewski6]

3 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

We haven't made the playoffs, yet, and someone can get hurt, right?

Right, but you said needed 2 starters

I would say needed 1 starter, could have used another.  

But I throw Tolle out there, personally.  Or Sandlin.  These dudes are 22, 24 and are doing fine in the minors.  Plus, Im a believer that the more a batter faces a pitcher, the more that favors the batter.  A new arm who bats havent seen can play up and if you give that edge to Sandlin or Tolle, I think they'll be fine at starter #5

But to you directly, my issue with you calling for 2 starters is knowing that you would rather trade Duran than from the farm, and its that which bugs me.

I dont think this team rolls like this if you trade Duran.  I think HE (not a like outfielder) is the reason the team is playing loose and confident. I think if you trade him, the team is let down. I think hes their emotional leader, their rally cryer, dare I say their "heart".

[notin]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

I'd say it's a little less than half. 

I think it’s really just Zack Kelly…

[notin]

25 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Right, but you said needed 2 starters

I would say needed 1 starter, could have used another.  

But I throw Tolle out there, personally.  Or Sandlin.  These dudes are 22, 24 and are doing fine in the minors.  Plus, Im a believer that the more a batter faces a pitcher, the more that favors the batter.  A new arm who bats havent seen can play up and if you give that edge to Sandlin or Tolle, I think they'll be fine at starter #5

But to you directly, my issue with you calling for 2 starters is knowing that you would rather trade Duran than from the farm, and its that which bugs me.

I dont think this team rolls like this if you trade Duran.  I think HE (not a like outfielder) is the reason the team is playing loose and confident. I think if you trade him, the team is let down. I think hes their emotional leader, their rally cryer, dare I say their "heart".

Really they should have dealt Password.  BA Top 100 prospect who, if the Sox don’t trade an outfielder, finds himself peaking at fifth outfielder on the depth charts until 2029, when he can jump to 4th outfielder, assuming no one catches him from behind..  He could have been dealt for a rental better than May.  Cease? Maybe?

[Hitch]

11 minutes ago, notin said:

Really they should have dealt Password.  BA Top 100 prospect who, if the Sox don’t trade an outfielder, finds himself peaking at fifth outfielder on the depth charts until 2029, when he can jump to 4th outfielder, assuming no one catches him from behind..  He could have been dealt for a rental better than May.  Cease? Maybe?

No way I'm dealing him for Cease, or any rental. 

If the deal isn't there, just wait until the winter when prices are more reasonable. Which is what it looks like Breslow has done. 

[Bellhorn04]

45 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

I dont think this team rolls like this if you trade Duran.  I think HE (not a like outfielder) is the reason the team is playing loose and confident. I think if you trade him, the team is let down. I think hes their emotional leader, their rally cryer, dare I say their "heart".

Not only that, but he's pounding the living crap out of the baseball. 😄

[notin]

1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

What evidence is there that they were seriously negotiating on Ryan?  What I heard was that their offer wasn't close and that they balked at the Twins insistence on Duran or Abreu being part of the package.    

Stories were all over the place.  Some outlets even reported they acquired Ryan…

[Jasonbay44]

I’m a firm believer that if this team traded Duran for a Cease rental that it would’ve gone down as one of worst trades in team history. Would’ve been absolutely idiotic to trade Duran during a pennant race. 

[notin]

19 minutes ago, Hitch said:

No way I'm dealing him for Cease, or any rental. 

If the deal isn't there, just wait until the winter when prices are more reasonable. Which is what it looks like Breslow has done. 

It’s actually a fair price.  It’s a deal I’d make. Garcia isnt headlining a package for anyone significantly better…

[drewski6]

1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

What evidence is there that they were seriously negotiating on Ryan?  What I heard was that their offer wasn't close and that they balked at the Twins insistence on Duran or Abreu being part of the package.    

I had heard late in the day "still actively pursuing Ryan" and NESN trade deadline special was focused on him. Im theorizing, Im not trying to submit it as fact.  Additional evidence is that we didnt get anybody else save for a late trade for a guy who the dodgers were actively trying to move

[drewski6]

38 minutes ago, notin said:

Really they should have dealt Password.  BA Top 100 prospect who, if the Sox don’t trade an outfielder, finds himself peaking at fifth outfielder on the depth charts until 2029, when he can jump to 4th outfielder, assuming no one catches him from behind..  He could have been dealt for a rental better than May.  Cease? Maybe?

I wanted to deal with Pirates because they had Keller who is signed to three more years at an AAV of like 17m, which is high for them, so I thought they might get him (put their money where their mouth is to replace Devers $$, but funny how that didnt happen) and Bednar (having a great year, and signed to next but got shelled first outing for yankees so maybe im glad that didnt happen, i remember you saying you werent sold on bednar and I might have been too focused on a misleading RP ERA).

But thats the deal i wanted because i didnt think it would cost duran, abreu, cedanne

Right now, we dont have the best offensive options at 2b, dh, 1b .... so i wasnt trying to make another hole for a pitcher when we had bello and gio complimenting crochet.  

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

27 minutes ago, notin said:

Really they should have dealt Password.  BA Top 100 prospect who, if the Sox don’t trade an outfielder, finds himself peaking at fifth outfielder on the depth charts until 2029, when he can jump to 4th outfielder, assuming no one catches him from behind..  He could have been dealt for a rental better than May.  Cease? Maybe?

Garcia is a good outfielder with right-handed power. As much as we like the current outfield crew, it makes more sense to give the Password the opportunity to become part of the core of Boston's next sustained contenders.

[drewski6]

5 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

I wanted to deal with Pirates because they had Keller who is signed to three more years at an AAV of like 17m, which is high for them, so I thought they might get him (put their money where their mouth is to replace Devers $$, but funny how that didnt happen) and Bednar (having a great year, and signed to next but got shelled first outing for yankees so maybe im glad that didnt happen, i remember you saying you werent sold on bednar and I might have been too focused on a misleading RP ERA).

But thats the deal i wanted because i didnt think it would cost duran, abreu, cedanne

Right now, we dont have the best offensive options at 2b, dh, 1b .... so i wasnt trying to make another hole for a pitcher when we had bello and gio complimenting crochet.  

Plus you get a #3 starter at a rate that is affordable to us, but high for Pitt so maybe they would have not asked for too much and a good set-up man

Now what I dont know - May makes peanuts, and were they actually NOT trying to replace the Devers $$.  DId they only go after SP making 5m or less. I hope not, but you never know with these guys.  Should this be the case, then ppl prob being a little hard on breslow.

Im not a guy who happens to think all cheapness comes from Henry. I think Bloom and Breslow both have egos and may get in their own way at times.  But if Bres was told not to bring on salary, that obviously restricts his options 

But the whole ' "were gonna buy and/or were gonna spend!!" and they are 0 for like the last 3 times theyve said that, which has me being like "this team talks to us like we're idiots" and is a big problem in recent history.  Its all management speak.  Ive quit jobs over that.  Dont sit there and give me management speak, come straight or shut up.

[FredLynn]

6 hours ago, Hitch said:

The problem being of course, is that they were selling Ferraris at Formula 1 car prices. 

Yup. You have to overpay to go for it, don't you. The bottom line, as I keep writing, is that Breslow again FAILED miserably to address the needs of the club. Everyone knows what they are; they haven't gone away. Too late now to do anything about them other than hope the M&Ms perform.

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, drewski6 said:

Right, but you said needed 2 starters

I would say needed 1 starter, could have used another.  

But I throw Tolle out there, personally.  Or Sandlin.  These dudes are 22, 24 and are doing fine in the minors.  Plus, Im a believer that the more a batter faces a pitcher, the more that favors the batter.  A new arm who bats havent seen can play up and if you give that edge to Sandlin or Tolle, I think they'll be fine at starter #5

But to you directly, my issue with you calling for 2 starters is knowing that you would rather trade Duran than from the farm, and its that which bugs me.

I dont think this team rolls like this if you trade Duran.  I think HE (not a like outfielder) is the reason the team is playing loose and confident. I think if you trade him, the team is let down. I think hes their emotional leader, their rally cryer, dare I say their "heart".

Yes, we need 2 SP'ers, but one really good one would have been fine.

I love Duran, and mentioned with Rafaela needed at 2B, the need to keep him is higher, but I still see the drop off from Duran to Anthony as less than from Ryan to Criswell/Harrison/Fitts or even Buehler.

I'd have been fine trading one or two more mid level prospects to improve upon the May trade.