Article: Red Sox Rumors: Duran-Padres Link Grows Stronger, Bregman Trade Rumor Shot Down

[TedYazPapiMookie]

20 hours ago, sk7326 said:

It's also incorrect.  The premise that teams are backing away from data is completely wrong.  Hell, the team this forum was built to argue about just had a big purge of its scouting department!  The Astros killed their pro scouting staff.  Other teams are doing that and leaning more into StatCast.  Other teams that use lots of scouting aren't skimping on the data necessarily - heck the Rays of all teams have been on the forefront of big spending on scouts as well as the analytics.

Now he is right that "how do you turn data into performance" is the most important thing - but yes, teams are showing players what their launch angle is and measuring their adjustments accordingly.  It'd be stupid not to.  Also, the assertion that teams use data for things other than something like WAR is kind of a tautology.  He seems particularly mad at WAR, though not even the companies that calculate it would tell you that it is like 0.1th of a win accurate or anything when assessing player value.  

That said, he has also explicitly blamed DEI for Alex Cora being the Red Sox manager - so I kind of know how much faith to put into his analysis.

Based on what you wrote, you aren't keeping up with the industry trends and clearly you don't understand the breakout of analytics.  FYI... the Cora issue has been beaten to death.  It's a fact.  Go look up the documented interviews with Ownership after Farrell was fired.  They specifically state they were going to address the diversity issue and then hired Cora within two weeks. 

For the record, your information is very weak, so I don't consider anything you write worthy of consideration.  Call that a mutual insult since you can't seem to get through a comment without one.  It's all part of the group think mentality of the website.  An entire generation of fans that are clueless about the past and willing to insult anyone who doesn't agree with them.   You should be so proud of yourselves!!! hahaha  WOW

[drewski6]

2 hours ago, notin said:

It will take a lot more than Mayer.

Would you trade Mayer, Campbell and Tolle?

F yes!

[mvp 78]

14 minutes ago, Shoeless Joe said:

Prospect pitching isn't a figment of your imaginations.
Tolle, Valera, Clarke, Early and Connelly are all legit.  There are several others with intriguing tools though as pitchers are challenged at each level their warts become more evident. Tolle is a beast and seems mentally strong to handle the crush that comes with rising expectations. Trade him could be regrettable. 
Same, too, with Anthony., a potential marquee performer capable one day of putting the team on his back, especially with the supporting cast Bloom assembled. I've seen all these guys, and there should be more optimism than I'm reading here.

Welcome to TalkSox!

100% agree on Tolle! 

[drewski6]

2 hours ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

I wouldn't trade Anthony for Skenes straight up.

Teams simply cannot afford to swap a top-rated position player who can impact every game for at least the next six years for a guy who might play once a week during that time -- if that pitcher doesn't suffer one season-ending elbow surgery or several shorter IL stints that are now typical of virtually every modern arm.

Anthony may be the Red Sox best offensive player by the end of this season, and for years to come. His plate discipline and hard hit rate are already a combination that promises stardom... 

Mayer looks like a future Gold Glover somewhere with decent pop; The Password could supply power but have holes in his swing; Campbell may figure it out in the box, but never find a position on the field -- but of all them, Roman looks like the real deal... in every sample size he's had as a pro so far.

Skenes is a generational talent, I make the Anthony for Skenes swap.

[Bellhorn04]

6 minutes ago, TedYazPapiMookie said:

Based on what you wrote, you aren't keeping up with the industry trends and clearly you don't understand the breakout of analytics.  FYI... the Cora issue has been beaten to death.  It's a fact.  Go look up the documented interviews with Ownership after Farrell was fired.  They specifically state they were going to address the diversity issue and then hired Cora within two weeks. 

For the record, your information is very weak, so I don't consider anything you write worthy of consideration.  Call that a mutual insult since you can't seem to get through a comment without one.  It's all part of the group think mentality of the website.  An entire generation of fans that are clueless about the past and willing to insult anyone who doesn't agree with them.   You should be so proud of yourselves!!! hahaha  WOW

sk7326 is one of the most reasonable and well informed posters on this site.  

[moonslav59]

11 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

It's just swung too far in the other direction IMO. After Jhostynxon and Arias, there really isn't anything to brag about on the offensive side of things on the farm. It's very, very light. 

You can tell by looking at how SP projects their '26 rosters. SAL will have 9 college graduated pitchers, the majority of whom should probably be in GRE to start the season. The SAL offense is probably going to be putrid if the reports out of the FCL and DSL are correct. 

It's been one season, but counting it as two is fine, since we traded Monty and Teel from previous drafts for Crochet.

If we end up with a surplus of good pitching and face roster and Rule 5 crunches, years from now, we can trade some of them at premium prices.

I do agree that our 2026 A- and A+ teams may look weaker on O than previous seasons, but I am not so worried, because we have a young core at the ML level that is under control for 3-5+ yrs. Only 3B and SS have vets with 0-2 more years of control.

4-6+ Years from now, we will see some of the top farm guys in the bigs.

C: Jo Garcia, Brannon and holes (Salazar and Jo Rod)

1B: Jordan and maybe Tibbs or Gonzales? Encarnacion

2B: Romero (Cespedes?) Zanetello

SS: Arias, Soto, Ramos, Nunez

3B: Cason, Alcantara, Anderson

LF: Gonzales or Ehrhard(Castro/Rosier?) Riemer

CF: Garcia, Azocar, Rivas, Fermin

RF: Bleis or Taylor, YRod

I'm not sure this looks all that badly, after we will have just graduated Anthony, Mayer, Narvaez and Campbell (Rafaela in '24, Casas in '23, Duran & Wong in '22)

[drewski6]

13 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

It's been one season, but counting it as two is fine, since we traded Monty and Teel from previous drafts for Crochet.

If we end up with a surplus of good pitching and face roster and Rule 5 crunches, years from now, we can trade some of them at premium prices.

I do agree that our 2026 A- and A+ teams may look weaker on O than previous seasons, but I am not so worried, because we have a young core at the ML level that is under control for 3-5+ yrs. Only 3B and SS have vets with 0-2 more years of control.

4-6+ Years from now, we will see some of the top farm guys in the bigs.

C: Jo Garcia, Brannon and holes (Salazar and Jo Rod)

1B: Jordan and maybe Tibbs or Gonzales? Encarnacion

2B: Romero (Cespedes?) Zanetello

SS: Arias, Soto, Ramos, Nunez

3B: Cason, Alcantara, Anderson

LF: Gonzales or Ehrhard(Castro/Rosier?) Riemer

CF: Garcia, Azocar, Rivas, Fermin

RF: Bleis or Taylor, YRod

I'm not sure this looks all that badly, after we will have just graduated Anthony, Mayer, Narvaez and Campbell (Rafaela in '24, Casas in '23, Duran & Wong in '22)

Stop prioritizing 5 years from now when we are in the playoff race.  This awesome team you are envisioning 5 years from now will be weakened as you trade the players that were making that team better in order to keep guys who would help us 5 years from then (10 years from now)

If you are always planning for the future, the future never comes.

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Stop prioritizing 5 years from now when we are in the playoff race.  This awesome team you are envisioning 5 years from now will be weakened as you trade the players that were making that team better in order to keep guys who would help us 5 years from then (10 years from now)

If you are always planning for the future, the future never comes.

I think you missed my point. I want to trade away depth from 5 years away for Skenes or Ryan, so we can win in 2025 AND be better in 2026 until Ryan's control ends and 4 years, if Skenes.

I was responding to MVPs concern about losing everyday player value on the farm and being overwhelmed by too many pitching prospects as Brez has shifted farm focus towards pitching.

My top priority in 2020 was the farm and 40 man roster depth. After 21, I wanted more of the "now," but at the '22 and '23 deadlines I was for selling. Last year I wanted to buy, but not by trading a big 3 prospect.

I think I have a balanced approach, but see a window open wide, right now.

I'm not for trading top prospects for rentals. I want the here and now, but also a 2-3 year window enhanced.

I'm okay with a big trade for a controlled #2, but also a couple rental deals that upgrade us where needed for just 2025.

We have some logjams and roster crunches coming up, so we can afford some 3 for one rental deals, and hopefully they work out better than the Luis Garcia and Hosmer deals.

[Hitch]

2 hours ago, notin said:

BTV gives Skenes a surplus value of $133mill.

The Sox players have the following surplus values:

Mayer: $54mill

Campbell: $46mill

Password: $12 mill

Total is roughly $112mill, some $21mill short.

For the record, Payton Tolle has a surplus value of $20mill.  Perfect fit.  And we both know Pitt NEEDS to get at least one pitcher back in any Skenes trade…

Okay, you've won me over. Pick up the phone and make it happen! 

[mvp 78]

16 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

It's been one season, but counting it as two is fine, since we traded Monty and Teel from previous drafts for Crochet.

If we end up with a surplus of good pitching and face roster and Rule 5 crunches, years from now, we can trade some of them at premium prices.

I do agree that our 2026 A- and A+ teams may look weaker on O than previous seasons, but I am not so worried, because we have a young core at the ML level that is under control for 3-5+ yrs. Only 3B and SS have vets with 0-2 more years of control.

4-6+ Years from now, we will see some of the top farm guys in the bigs.

C: Jo Garcia, Brannon and holes (Salazar and Jo Rod)

1B: Jordan and maybe Tibbs or Gonzales? Encarnacion

2B: Romero (Cespedes?) Zanetello

SS: Arias, Soto, Ramos, Nunez

3B: Cason, Alcantara, Anderson

LF: Gonzales or Ehrhard(Castro/Rosier?) Riemer

CF: Garcia, Azocar, Rivas, Fermin

RF: Bleis or Taylor, YRod

I'm not sure this looks all that badly, after we will have just graduated Anthony, Mayer, Narvaez and Campbell (Rafaela in '24, Casas in '23, Duran & Wong in '22)

Maybe I'm crying wolf, but I'm not the only one (just the only one on here).

C - none of those guys have a future as MLB C

1b - Jordan should be given a shot in BOS, but won't be. No idea on Tibbs. Justin Gonzales has played 0 Innings at 1b this year. He's OF only going forward apparently.

2b - Romero is maybe a future UTIL guy, but has an extensive injury history and is most likely going to be traded

SS - Arias is a decent prospect and I've said as much. Soto is just too far away to know.

3b - a list of guys just to list guys

LF - Ehrhard is interesting, but maybe a bench piece at best. If Riemer is LF going forward, he's toast. 

CF - Garcia is another very good prospect. Worried he'll be dealt. Sox see him as a platoon guy. Azocar has some buzz, the others don't and are very far away. As we saw with Yuten, these guys can drop off fast

RF - Of the three guys listed, the guy with the highest likelihood of getting to MLB is Taylor. He's a strong defender and should get up for a cup of coffee. Bleis is a five tool prospect, but never shows well when I watch him in games. 

The only guys to get excited over are Arias and Jhostynxon. There are some other fair prospects. Some guys to watch and a lot of filler, including guys you mentioned (Zanetello). 

[Hitch]

56 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

it's not a video game where you pick the player you want and get him. 

The difference being, I'm not suggesting we just go and make the above happen. If you'd read on a little further before posting you'd have seen the conversation about how much more it would take.

[mvp 78]

16 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Stop prioritizing 5 years from now when we are in the playoff race.  This awesome team you are envisioning 5 years from now will be weakened as you trade the players that were making that team better in order to keep guys who would help us 5 years from then (10 years from now)

If you are always planning for the future, the future never comes.

The Red Sox are planning on doing both. Win now. Win later. What's the point in having a farm system if not to develop guys then? The Dodgers are always bringing up guys. The Sox should too. 

[Hitch]

52 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

It's just swung too far in the other direction IMO. After Jhostynxon and Arias, there really isn't anything to brag about on the offensive side of things on the farm. It's very, very light. 

You can tell by looking at how SP projects their '26 rosters. SAL will have 9 college graduated pitchers, the majority of whom should probably be in GRE to start the season. The SAL offense is probably going to be putrid if the reports out of the FCL and DSL are correct. 

Agreed - was thinking similar earlier. Though, we've seen how much it costs to get young controllable arms, so maybe the thinking has shifted to - get enough of these guys developed and we can trade for position players much easier than we can pitchers.

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, Hitch said:

Agreed - was thinking similar earlier. Though, we've seen how much it costs to get young controllable arms, so maybe the thinking has shifted to - get enough of these guys developed and we can trade for position players much easier than we can pitchers.

In theory, it's fine. In practice, you have to develop these guys and actually fit them into the org. They will have pitchers pitching at the wrong level and run out of spots for them to play, unless they will start flipping them.

They also need to actively acquire MiLB offensive talent via trades/FA. 

[moonslav59]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Maybe I'm crying wolf, but I'm not the only one (just the only one on here).

C - none of those guys have a future as MLB C

1b - Jordan should be given a shot in BOS, but won't be. No idea on Tibbs. Justin Gonzales has played 0 Innings at 1b this year. He's OF only going forward apparently.

2b - Romero is maybe a future UTIL guy, but has an extensive injury history and is most likely going to be traded

SS - Arias is a decent prospect and I've said as much. Soto is just too far away to know.

3b - a list of guys just to list guys

LF - Ehrhard is interesting, but maybe a bench piece at best. If Riemer is LF going forward, he's toast. 

CF - Garcia is another very good prospect. Worried he'll be dealt. Sox see him as a platoon guy. Azocar has some buzz, the others don't and are very far away. As we saw with Yuten, these guys can drop off fast

RF - Of the three guys listed, the guy with the highest likelihood of getting to MLB is Taylor. He's a strong defender and should get up for a cup of coffee. Bleis is a five tool prospect, but never shows well when I watch him in games. 

The only guys to get excited over are Arias and Jhostynxon. There are some other fair prospects. Some guys to watch and a lot of filler, including guys you mentioned (Zanetello). 

I thought your main point was about how weak Salem and I'm assuming GRE, too, next year.

The worry is about 4-6 years away, not the next 2-4 years, except corner IF and back-up C.

If we were an aging vet team, I'd be more worried than you are, but look at the years of control of our young everyday players in the bigs, plus the ones that just arrived and are pre arbs.

I agree that only Arias & Garcia look like solid bets, but I am certain that at least 3-4 from the long list I provided will jump up.

Most of the positions I listed went 4 deep. Maybe the A- and A+ teams might be weaker than we would like, but having extra pitchers to rise or trade can help keep the balance, years from now.

[Hitch]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

In theory, it's fine. In practice, you have to develop these guys and actually fit them into the org. They will have pitchers pitching at the wrong level and run out of spots for them to play, unless they will start flipping them.

They also need to actively acquire MiLB offensive talent via trades/FA. 

I don't disagree with that. I think we need to cut 7 from the whole org just to fit in this latest draft class within 2 weeks, so worth looking at who they're cutting. But also there was a dearth or pitching from before these past 12 and a bit months, so maybe lots of weak arms to cut. 

I do trust this set up to develop arms now. If it works out we're going to be in rude health. 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

30 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Skenes is a generational talent, I make the Anthony for Skenes swap.

Anthony might be, too, according to most evaluators. He's not Betts in the field or on the bases, but his low K-rate and high Hard Hit % are the closest we've seen in the batter's box since Mookie made the majors. 

Roman's early combination of plate discipline and barreling his pitch have already outperformed the last two Red Sox players to reach #1 overall prospect status: Yoan Moncada and Andrew Benintendi.

 

 

[Hitch]

14 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

 

1b - Jordan should be given a shot in BOS, but won't be. No idea on Tibbs. Justin Gonzales has played 0 Innings at 1b this year. He's OF only going forward apparently.

I'd also like to see this. Will be taken in the Rule 5 if we don't protect, too.

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I thought your main point was about how weak Salem and I'm assuming GRE, too, next year.

The worry is about 4-6 years away, not the next 2-4 years, except corner IF and back-up C.

If we were an aging vet team, I'd be more worried than you are, but look at the years of control of our young everyday players in the bigs, plus the ones that just arrived and are pre arbs.

I agree that only Arias & Garcia look like solid bets, but I am certain that at least 3-4 from the long list I provided will jump up.

Most of the positions I listed went 4 deep. Maybe the A- and A+ teams might be weaker than we would like, but having extra pitchers to rise or trade can help keep the balance, years from now.

They are only "4 deep" because you are just listing guys whether they are decent prospects or not. It doesn't make it a good offensive farm system or deep.

My main point was that after Garcia and Arias, there isn't a whole much to really write home about. The system is light on upper end talent. It will be evident in how the lower levels will start to look offensively in the near future. 

Only relying on IFA's is not a great idea. Just look at the top of the 24's IFA (Asencio, Carrasquel, Brito) signings and you'll see that it's not an exact science. 

[mvp 78]

4 minutes ago, Hitch said:

I'd also like to see this. Will be taken in the Rule 5 if we don't protect, too.

With Toro struggling, I'd 100% give him a shot. 

[moonslav59]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

In theory, it's fine. In practice, you have to develop these guys and actually fit them into the org. They will have pitchers pitching at the wrong level and run out of spots for them to play, unless they will start flipping them.

They also need to actively acquire MiLB offensive talent via trades/FA. 

We have plenty of slots opening up at the ML level, next year. Some will be filled by returning injured pitchers, but we all know, someone else will be on the IL in '26, '27...

Our current AAA rotation is not great. If Harrison and Criswell are not on the ML roster, we'll have those two plus Uberstine. Stock & Coffey can go to make room for Tolle and Early/Sandlin. (Sandlin to the pen?)

The AA rotation would still have Mullins, if not traded. Rogers is fungible. Rivera stays. That leaves room for Clarke, Aita and Holobetz to be promoted. Dean is fungible, as is Sprague.

Maybe Fajardo or 3-4 college arms fill the rest of the Salem rotation, but we do have Brooks, Ehrlicher, Futrel, Gartell and Cohen there, now. (Some to the pen earlier than we normally do?)

You raise some good points. Maybe we start trading away guys like Kelly, Guerrero, Bernardino, Coffey, Mullins, Monegro, Uberstine, Rodgers, Dean and others to make room.

Maybe we now see why Brez traded Priester for an everyday prospect and farther away pitching prospect. Maybe see more deals like that.

[Hitch]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

With Toro struggling, I'd 100% give him a shot. 

Yup, agreed again. 

[moonslav59]

sxoprospects,com has these projected 2026 rotations:

MLB: Crochet, Gio (option) Bello, Sandoval, Harrison (Houck, Crawford, Dobbins on IL/inactive)

AAA: Tolle, Early, Uberstine, Wehunt, Drohan (Perales/Sandlin swing)

AA: Rivera, Clarke, Paez, Valera, Holobetz, Rodgers

A+ Witherspoon, Phillips, Eyanson, Aita, Tygart, Neely

A- Fajardo, Travieso, Ruiz, Patton, Brown, Mayers

FCL: Cason, Delzine, Reyes, Zink, Frias, B Morgan

Guys like Mullins, Song, Ingrassia, Dean, Rodgers, Futrell, Cohen, Brooks, J Bello, Gartrell and some draftees are listed in the pen.

[moonslav59]

9 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

They are only "4 deep" because you are just listing guys whether they are decent prospects or not. It doesn't make it a good offensive farm system or deep.

My main point was that after Garcia and Arias, there isn't a whole much to really write home about. The system is light on upper end talent. It will be evident in how the lower levels will start to look offensively in the near future. 

Only relying on IFA's is not a great idea. Just look at the top of the 24's IFA (Asencio, Carrasquel, Brito) signings and you'll see that it's not an exact science. 

I listed guys from the top 60 prospect list, and maybe I like many more than you.

I think it looks decent- 4 teams deep with a few holes, here and there.

The pitching staffs do look better and slightly overloaded, but I see some trades coming, maybe some, this month. (Mullins, Paez, Wehunt and maybe Sandlin, Kelly, Guerrero and otehrs.)

[drewski6]

15 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I listed guys from the top 60 prospect list, and maybe I like many more than you.

I think it looks decent- 4 teams deep with a few holes, here and there.

The pitching staffs do look better and slightly overloaded, but I see some trades coming, maybe some, this month. (Mullins, Paez, Wehunt and maybe Sandlin, Kelly, Guerrero and otehrs.)

To me the age/contracts of your big club matter when assessing farm strength.  If we had a struggling team filled with 34 yr old dudes struggling to hold on and on short deals, we'd need a very strong farm and absolutely should be selling off.

But Duran/Abreu/Mayer/Anthony/Cedanne/Nav all have control beyond this year. And between Bregman, Romy, Toro, Casas, Yoshida, and even Grissom (who is looking good in Worcester btw) - some of them are going to occupy positional player slots and fill those spots well.  So on the positional player side, we dont need as much from the next group up.  Not saying we should gut it, but I move for Campbell for Keller if it gets it done.

[mvp 78]

22 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I listed guys from the top 60 prospect list, and maybe I like many more than you.

I think it looks decent- 4 teams deep with a few holes, here and there.

The pitching staffs do look better and slightly overloaded, but I see some trades coming, maybe some, this month. (Mullins, Paez, Wehunt and maybe Sandlin, Kelly, Guerrero and otehrs.)

Again, maybe I'm just crying wolf. We'll have to see how it shakes out. I just hope they don't ignore the offensive side of things. They've put a lot of work into pitching dev, but still need to keep churning out hitters the way they've been able to over the years. 

[Soxlover]

4 hours ago, notin said:

It will take a lot more than Mayer.

Would you trade Mayer, Campbell and Tolle?

Yikes! Even I have to say no, but with arm twisted. 
I know I’m guilty of just throwing out more names, but I’d really try to find a way to keep Mayer and Anthony.

giving them the next best 4 or 5 of the next best 7 probably gets a no.

im off to Maine now

[TedYazPapiMookie]

7 hours ago, Bellhorn04 said:

sk7326 is one of the most reasonable and well informed posters on this site.  

I completely trust that the two moderators believe that.  No better reason than that for me to question it.  He's a group think guy.  That's ok, I have eliminated him so it won't be an issue going forward. 

I have no interest in entry level knowledge and frankly if I could eliminate you two moderators I would.  Your contribution to me has been nothing but insults.

I'm really only seeking knowledgeable baseball fans to discuss baseball with.  I read the comments and just laugh at how it sounds like a discussion my sons would have had in grade school.  And for the record if sk7326 was reasonable he wouldn't have to insult someone because he disagrees with him.  It's called maturity and it's severely lacking in 12 people on this site.  The good news is the rest of site seems to be filled with knowledgeable baseball people so I'm simply fencing off the minor league team and speaking only with the major league team. 

No insults and knowledgeable comments with be a refreshing change.  Everyone can live happily in this space if they mind their own business and comment only in their click/club.   

Ironically, in most industries people would be more aware of the lack of experience and have greater understanding of all they don't know so the guy who is an apprentice mechanic wouldn't be crapping of the mechanic with 40- or 50-years' experience he would be seeking knowledge.  Pick an industry where the minimally experienced people disrespect the experienced people. 

Sports seems to be the only industry where the latest generations seem to think they know more than the previous generations who have followed and played the game for decades.  Sports fans from this generation lack hubris.  They have no idea what they don't know but are willing to voice their narrow opinions as if they are all knowing.  Discounting experience shows a huge lack of maturity.

[Duran Is The Man]

8 hours ago, Hitch said:

The difference being, I'm not suggesting we just go and make the above happen. If you'd read on a little further before posting you'd have seen the conversation about how much more it would take.

damn....neither was i. my point was Breslow traded Devers for a grab bag of s*** instead of a decent pitcher -like Ryan.

[notin]

8 hours ago, drewski6 said:

To me the age/contracts of your big club matter when assessing farm strength.  If we had a struggling team filled with 34 yr old dudes struggling to hold on and on short deals, we'd need a very strong farm and absolutely should be selling off.

But Duran/Abreu/Mayer/Anthony/Cedanne/Nav all have control beyond this year. And between Bregman, Romy, Toro, Casas, Yoshida, and even Grissom (who is looking good in Worcester btw) - some of them are going to occupy positional player slots and fill those spots well.  So on the positional player side, we dont need as much from the next group up.  Not saying we should gut it, but I move for Campbell for Keller if it gets it done.

On BTV, Campbell for Keller is a huge overpay.  But I’d be shocked if Pitt didnt go for it.

i wouldn’t do I it myself.  Campbell is owed $60mill over 8 years.  Keller is owed roughly $60mill over the next 3 yrs and 2 months.

With Kelley’s raises coming (25mill in 2026, $18mill in 2027, $20mill in 20/8), I think Oitt might be eager to move their biggest contact…