Trades?

[mvp 78]

Why trade Mayer at the deadline, when maybe he gets you Lucas Erceg, when you can wait until the off-season and he can headline a deal for Garret Crochet?

 

Would Crochet pitch in next year's postseason?

[notin]

Would Crochet pitch in next year's postseason?

 

Not if he stays in Chicago…

[mvp 78]

Not if he stays in Chicago…

 

Cubbies could be a surprise for the WC.

[notin]

Cubbies could be a surprise for the WC.

 

 

Not after trading Morel!!

[mvp 78]

Not after trading Morel!!

 

Add him to the edible names list.

[notin]

Add him to the edible names list.

 

Hey that trade was DEVASTATING to my daughter. I thought she was going to quit watching baseball forever.

 

I was half ass watching the game, and she came up to me upset and said “I think Morel just got traded.” No mention yet on MLBTR, but Michael Busch came up to hit for him, and they cut to the dugout and Chris was hugging everyone.

 

The best I could say was “I hope he’s just hurt.”

[moonslav59]

This is the fuzzy math George W Bush warned us about.

 

Only if you don't use stratigery.

[moonslav59]

We can argue all day about what Brez did at this deadline. It is likely we argue for weeks and months- maybe longer. Let's take a look at what our closest competitors did at the deadline:

 

How did these teams improve their 2024 outlook?

 

TEX may not be a competitor and they did next to nothing to improve their 2024 team.

 

TBR sold more than bought, so I will skip them.

 

CLE made a couple moves, which is kind of rare, for them:

Lane Thomas

Alex Cobb

(They will likely win the division, so are not really going against us for a WC slot)

 

To the real competitors:

 

MIN

Trevor Richards (no big add) Did less than BOS

 

KCR

Lucas Erceg

Michael Lorenzen

Paul DeJong

I'd say this is pretty close to what BOS did.

 

HOU

Yusei Kikuchi

Caleb Ferguson

A lot depends on Kikuchi, but I'd say the Astros did slightly better than BOS. (Close call)

 

SEA looks like the did a lot to improve. They certainly DID A LOT!

Randy Arozarena

Yimi Garcia

Justin Turner

JT Chargois

I'd say they did better than BOS for 2024.

 

NYY

Jazz Chisholm

Mark Leiter Jr

Looks better than BOS

 

BAL

Zach Eflin

Trevor Rogers

Seranthony Dominguez (for Austin Hays)

Austin Slater

Eloy Jimenez

Gregory Soto

 

The O's look like they did the most to improve and way more than BOS, but of course all of this is just on paper.

[Maxbialystock]

We can argue all day about what Brez did at this deadline. It is likely we argue for weeks and months- maybe longer. Let's take a look at what our closest competitors did at the deadline:

 

How did these teams improve their 2024 outlook?

 

TEX may not be a competitor and they did next to nothing to improve their 2024 team.

 

TBR sold more than bought, so I will skip them.

 

CLE made a couple moves, which is kind of rare, for them:

Lane Thomas

Alex Cobb

(They will likely win the division, so are not really going against us for a WC slot)

 

To the real competitors:

 

MIN

Trevor Richards (no big add) Did less than BOS

 

KCR

Lucas Erceg

Michael Lorenzen

Paul DeJong

I'd say this is pretty close to what BOS did.

 

HOU

Yusei Kikuchi

Caleb Ferguson

A lot depends on Kikuchi, but I'd say the Astros did slightly better than BOS. (Close call)

 

SEA looks like the did a lot to improve. They certainly DID A LOT!

Randy Arozarena

Yimi Garcia

Justin Turner

JT Chargois

I'd say they did better than BOS for 2024.

 

NYY

Jazz Chisholm

Mark Leiter Jr

Looks better than BOS

 

BAL

Zach Eflin

Trevor Rogers

Seranthony Dominguez (for Austin Hays)

Austin Slater

Eloy Jimenez

Gregory Soto

 

The O's look like they did the most to improve and way more than BOS, but of course all of this is just on paper.

 

As you know, I prefer to hammer Brez, but this time no complaints. The Sox pitching nosedived after the ASG and gave him every reason to do the minimum. He did more than that.

[Larry Cook]

At the end of the year, we have 8 free agents

 

Jansen (catcher) - replace by gasper or teel

 

O’Neil (outfielder) - replace by Anthony????

 

Pivetta (starter) - replace by gioletta

 

Paxton (starter) - replace by prieter?????

 

Jansen (closer) - replace by Hendricks

 

Martin (set up) - replace by slaten

 

Sims (reliever) - replace by fulmer or free agent

 

Garcia (reliever ) - replace by luetge????

[moonslav59]

As you know, I prefer to hammer Brez, but this time no complaints. The Sox pitching nosedived after the ASG and gave him every reason to do the minimum. He did more than that.

 

He gave up nothing I will fret about and got something useful, including a pitcher with 6 years of control (Priester.) I like the overall moves. I wish we had done more, but I don't know what teams were asking for what was out there.

 

I can't help but think we could have offered more that what Fedde got, without going top 8 or 9, but who knows.

 

We still have the same long term hopes and are better off in 2024.

 

[moonslav59]

At the end of the year, we have 8 free agents

 

Jansen (catcher) - replace by gasper or teel

 

O’Neil (outfielder) - replace by Anthony????

 

Pivetta (starter) - replace by gioletta

 

Paxton (starter) - replace by prieter?????

 

Jansen (closer) - replace by Hendricks

 

Martin (set up) - replace by slaten

 

Sims (reliever) - replace by fulmer or free agent

 

Garcia (reliever ) - replace by luetge????

 

This could all happen by mid or late season '25.

 

I do think replacing RHB O'Neill with LHB Anthony would necessitate a trade of LHB Abreu for pitching, and we'd have to add a big RHB, somewhere. We are loaded, everywhere but 2B/SS, unless you think Story will rebound or Campbell jumps the LHB Mayer.

 

I'm not sure they view Gasper as being the back-up, or they would be playing him at catcher, now, more than Heineman.

 

I'm not sure Luetge is all that good, and I still have hopes ICampbell or Weissert. We might also see Sandlin, Fitts, Dobbins or Murphy rise up and win a slot on the 26, at some point in '25.

[notin]

We can argue all day about what Brez did at this deadline. It is likely we argue for weeks and months- maybe longer. Let's take a look at what our closest competitors did at the deadline:

 

How did these teams improve their 2024 outlook?

 

TEX may not be a competitor and they did next to nothing to improve their 2024 team.

 

TBR sold more than bought, so I will skip them.

 

CLE made a couple moves, which is kind of rare, for them:

Lane Thomas

Alex Cobb

(They will likely win the division, so are not really going against us for a WC slot)

 

To the real competitors:

 

MIN

Trevor Richards (no big add) Did less than BOS

 

KCR

Lucas Erceg

Michael Lorenzen

Paul DeJong

I'd say this is pretty close to what BOS did.

 

HOU

Yusei Kikuchi

Caleb Ferguson

A lot depends on Kikuchi, but I'd say the Astros did slightly better than BOS. (Close call)

 

SEA looks like the did a lot to improve. They certainly DID A LOT!

Randy Arozarena

Yimi Garcia

Justin Turner

JT Chargois

I'd say they did better than BOS for 2024.

 

NYY

Jazz Chisholm

Mark Leiter Jr

Looks better than BOS

 

BAL

Zach Eflin

Trevor Rogers

Seranthony Dominguez (for Austin Hays)

Austin Slater

Eloy Jimenez

Gregory Soto

 

The O's look like they did the most to improve and way more than BOS, but of course all of this is just on paper.

 

 

At some point, just because you added someone doesn’t make it an improvement. Just ask Eric Gagne…

[moonslav59]

At some point, just because you added someone doesn’t make it an improvement. Just ask Eric Gagne…

 

Indeed, and I did not mention anything given up, unless it was a 2024 player in return.

[mvp 78]

He gave up nothing I will fret about and got something useful, including a pitcher with 6 years of control (Priester.) I like the overall moves. I wish we had done more, but I don't know what teams were asking for what was out there.

 

I can't help but think we could have offered more that what Fedde got, without going top 8 or 9, but who knows.

 

We still have the same long term hopes and are better off in 2024.

 

 

We know that the prices were outrageously high. I think the Sox did fine if the best prospect they let go was Nick Yorke.

[mvp 78]

This could all happen by mid or late season '25.

 

I do think replacing RHB O'Neill with LHB Anthony would necessitate a trade of LHB Abreu for pitching, and we'd have to add a big RHB, somewhere. We are loaded, everywhere but 2B/SS, unless you think Story will rebound or Campbell jumps the LHB Mayer.

 

I'm not sure they view Gasper as being the back-up, or they would be playing him at catcher, now, more than Heineman.

 

I'm not sure Luetge is all that good, and I still have hopes ICampbell or Weissert. We might also see Sandlin, Fitts, Dobbins or Murphy rise up and win a slot on the 26, at some point in '25.

 

Gasper is an ok catcher, but he's played almost as many games at 1B as C this year. He's just a nice AAA guy. If he gets a cup of coffee, great.

[moonslav59]

We know that the prices were outrageously high. I think the Sox did fine if the best prospect they let go was Nick Yorke.

 

Was the price even mildly high on Fedde?

[moonslav59]

Gasper is an ok catcher, but he's played almost as many games at 1B as C this year. He's just a nice AAA guy. If he gets a cup of coffee, great.

 

I can see why we kept Heineman on the 40 and Gasper as further non 40 depth. That's what team's do. We might get another Heineman, next year and keep gasper where he is.

 

If they think Teel will be ML ready by opening day, they won't add him to the 40 until the day before he will be promoted, as they should,

[Bellhorn04]

Was the price even mildly high on Fedde?

 

There always seems to be an outlier bargain or two, kind of inexplicable.

[mvp 78]

Was the price even mildly high on Fedde?

 

Tommy Edman put up 6.2 bWAR last year. Then Kopech and a bunch of prospects were thrown in.

 

Sox would have had to trade O'Neilll plus prospects to get Fedde. His metrics aren't that great. He's put up numbers, but his xERA and FIP point to regression. Last 5 games: 4.55 FIP.

 

I'm not really excited about trading for guys that are having career years like Fedde or Pomeranz.

[mvp 78]

There always seems to be an outlier bargain or two, kind of inexplicable.

 

A 31 year old pitcher who is having his first stretch of good MLB baseball ever. I don't think that deal was a bargain.

[moonslav59]

Tommy Edman put up 6.2 bWAR last year. Then Kopech and a bunch of prospects were thrown in.

 

Sox would have had to trade O'Neilll plus prospects to get Fedde. His metrics aren't that great. He's put up numbers, but his xERA and FIP point to regression. Last 5 games: 4.55 FIP.

 

I'm not really excited about trading for guys that are having career years like Fedde or Pomeranz.

 

What I liked most about Fedde was his team control though 2025 at just $7.5M. (To b e fair, Edam was under control through 2025, too, so O'Neill was not really a good comp.)

[moonslav59]

A 31 year old pitcher who is having his first stretch of good MLB baseball ever. I don't think that deal was a bargain.

 

Was it an "overpay?"

 

That was the question.

[mvp 78]

Was it an "overpay?"

 

That was the question.

 

I'd rather have Edman and prospects than Fedde.

[notin]

A 31 year old pitcher who is having his first stretch of good MLB baseball ever. I don't think that deal was a bargain.

 

If Fedde re-invented himself in KBO, he wouldn’t be the first. No one heard of Merrill Kelly before he came back from Korea…

[notin]

I'd rather have Edman and prospects than Fedde.

 

If I ever get control of Edman and prospects I’ll call you and we can deal…

[mvp 78]

If Fedde re-invented himself in KBO, he wouldn’t be the first. No one heard of Merrill Kelly before he came back from Korea…

 

Kelly was gone for 5 years. Fedde just one.

 

Kelly also wasn't that great over there. His numbers didn't really pop until he was back here for a few years.

[mvp 78]

If I ever get control of Edman and prospects I’ll call you and we can deal…

 

Sox would love a switch hitting 2B like him (and he hits LHP better too).

[notin]

Sox would love a switch hitting 2B like him (and he hits LHP better too).

 

Sox really do need an actual 2b. I’m hoping Grissom can rebound. Hamilton has some pros but also some cons. Valdez is a one dimensional player who should never have even purchased a glove.

 

Westbrook lived his childhood dream. But he wasn’t the answer to anything…

[mvp 78]

Sox really do need an actual 2b. I’m hoping Grissom can rebound. Hamilton has some pros but also some cons. Valdez is a one dimensional player who should never have even purchased a glove.

 

Westbrook lived his childhood dream. But he wasn’t the answer to anything…

 

Sogard can field and had a decent OBP in AAA. Maybe he can be a decent stopgap until something better comes along?