Trades?

[moonslav59]

This team does not want to try to make the playoffs. They want to sell off, save a few bucks and add some prospects.

 

Bloom got fired for his deadline confusion. They don't want any of that this year.

 

...and the anger was more about him not selling.

 

I'm pretty sure we will be sellers, even if we are within 3-5 games of the WC slots.

[moonslav59]

The Phillies may be shopping for a catcher, since Realmutto needs surgery. Thier 5th starter sucks (Walker) and they might want a closer.

 

What could we get from them for Pivetta (reunites w PHI), McGuire and Jansen?

[moonslav59]

Bichette makes $18M, next year. Even if he was worth that, JH ain't paying it.

 

I would not trade DHam for Bichett, and certainly not Abreu. Both is a joke.

 

It would be Brez who hangs up the phone.

[mvp 78]

Bichette makes $18M, next year. Even if he was worth that, JH ain't paying it.

 

I would not trade DHam for Bichett, and certainly not Abreu. Both is a joke.

 

It would be Brez who hangs up the phone.

 

Hamilton for Bichette is an easy yes.

[jacksonianmarch]

You will sell off Pivetta, O'Neill, and Jansen. Maybe will dangle Crawford too

[mvp 78]

You will sell off Pivetta, O'Neill, and Jansen. Maybe will dangle Crawford too

 

Crawford has a lot of CONTROL and is cheap. I don't see them moving him with how little Henry wants to spend. It's not like they are loaded with pitching prospects breaking the door down.

[Bellhorn04]

The Phillies may be shopping for a catcher, since Realmutto needs surgery. Thier 5th starter sucks (Walker) and they might want a closer.

 

What could we get from them for Pivetta (reunites w PHI), McGuire and Jansen?

 

That sounds like it could be real.

[moonslav59]

Hamilton for Bichette is an easy yes.

 

Not at that money.

[moonslav59]

Crawford has a lot of CONTROL and is cheap. I don't see them moving him with how little Henry wants to spend. It's not like they are loaded with pitching prospects breaking the door down.

 

Agreed, unless we get a better pitcher (in a package deal) with equal years of control.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Then they would never know what a great deal they were being offered, according to BTV.

 

Per that site, Bo Bichette (21.8) isn’t enough to get Wilyer Abreu (29.8) alone, let alone with David Hamilton (11.8)…

 

I intentionally stayed off BTV, since it's now a pay site. Plus, we all know the Sox will never take any former All-Stars whose salaries are at actual market value at this point, so we might as well just start proposing trades that will never happen in a patient rebuild (because we are the patients of Dr. Henry).

[mvp 78]

Not at that money.

 

21 5.8 bWAR

22 3.7 bWAR

23 4.9 bWAR

 

He has a 276 BABIP this season which is much lower than his career 341 mark.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Bichette makes $18M, next year. Even if he was worth that, JH ain't paying it.

 

I would not trade DHam for Bichett, and certainly not Abreu. Both is a joke.

 

It would be Brez who hangs up the phone.

 

What's worth it to fill one of Boston's biggest needs -- a right-handed power bat? I don't know if Toronto would trade Bichette to the Red Sox, but are we really going to just wait and hope Lugo and Yorke are ready by the end of the year, or Campbell and Bleis in two years, or just keep recycling through the Duvalls and O'Neills of the world until someday we're good enough again to add some serious pieces to the roster?

 

Bichette is still only 26, already led the league in hits twice, and could be a change-of-scenery guy that becomes part of the next core. And he's not a prospect, but a legitimate big leaguer.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

21 5.8 bWAR

22 3.7 bWAR

23 4.9 bWAR

 

He has a 276 BABIP this season which is much lower than his career 341 mark.

 

All Bichette's numbers are down, which could mean something physical is affecting his swing. You don't suddenly forget how to hit after three straight years getting MVP votes.

 

At age 26, could be a good buy-low guy. At 36, maybe not so much.

[notin]

Hamilton for Bichette is an easy yes.

 

For Toronto? Because if it isn’t, why bother?

 

The Jays would save a lot, as his $12.8mill salary bumps to $17.5mill next season. But I doubt they think of Hamilton any different than we do - that’s he’s more of a “sell high” player right now.

 

I’m sure the Jays would love to move Bichette. Not sure for what?

 

Also with Bichette in Boston - where would he play? He is a s***** shortstop, but he still might be the best one they have while Story is out. Of course, when Stiry comes back, then what?

[moonslav59]

For Toronto? Because if it isn’t, why bother?

 

The Jays would save a lot, as his $12.8mill salary bumps to $17.5mill next season. But I doubt they think of Hamilton any different than we do - that’s he’s more of a “sell high” player right now.

 

I’m sure the Jays would love to move Bichette. Not sure for what?

 

Also with Bichette in Boston - where would he play? He is a s***** shortstop, but he still might be the best one they have while Story is out. Of course, when Stiry comes back, then what?

 

I think the idea is that some have given up on Grissom at 2B, and Bichette would play there, if and when Story returns.

[moonslav59]

What's worth it to fill one of Boston's biggest needs -- a right-handed power bat? I don't know if Toronto would trade Bichette to the Red Sox, but are we really going to just wait and hope Lugo and Yorke are ready by the end of the year, or Campbell and Bleis in two years, or just keep recycling through the Duvalls and O'Neills of the world until someday we're good enough again to add some serious pieces to the roster?

 

Bichette is still only 26, already led the league in hits twice, and could be a change-of-scenery guy that becomes part of the next core. And he's not a prospect, but a legitimate big leaguer.

 

,744 from June 29, 2023 to the end of the season.

.635 this season.

 

.687 in his last 513 PAs

 

I'm not convinced a turnaround is all that possible.

 

DHam for Bichette plus $10M, yes. We aren't adding $18M for Bichette.

[mvp 78]

For Toronto? Because if it isn’t, why bother?

 

The Jays would save a lot, as his $12.8mill salary bumps to $17.5mill next season. But I doubt they think of Hamilton any different than we do - that’s he’s more of a “sell high” player right now.

 

I’m sure the Jays would love to move Bichette. Not sure for what?

 

Also with Bichette in Boston - where would he play? He is a s***** shortstop, but he still might be the best one they have while Story is out. Of course, when Stiry comes back, then what?

 

moon wouldn't do the trade. I think it would be an easy yes for the Sox. Jays wouldn't do that deal. For Abreu? Maybe.

[mvp 78]

All Bichette's numbers are down, which could mean something physical is affecting his swing. You don't suddenly forget how to hit after three straight years getting MVP votes.

 

At age 26, could be a good buy-low guy. At 36, maybe not so much.

 

It's not the first time Bichette has had an extended slump. For 1.5 years, I'd take the risk.

[Duran Is The Man]

Bichette makes $18M, next year. Even if he was worth that, JH ain't paying it.

 

I would not trade DHam for Bichett, and certainly not Abreu. Both is a joke.

 

It would be Brez who hangs up the phone.

 

same amount he's payin Noshida right now. maybe they'd take Yoshi for Bo. LOLOLOLOLOL

[mvp 78]

same amount he's payin Noshida right now. maybe they'd take Yoshi for Bo. LOLOLOLOLOL

 

Throw in Wikleman and a bunch of other prospects I don't believe in.

[moonslav59]

moon wouldn't do the trade. I think it would be an easy yes for the Sox. Jays wouldn't do that deal. For Abreu? Maybe.

 

It's more about the $18M than anything else, but I would not give Abreu for Bichetts plus $8M, either. It's just 1 year of Bichette vs 4 more of Abreu.

 

If we don't spend more in '25, it could be another wasted year, so why add a 1 year guy?

[notin]

moon wouldn't do the trade. I think it would be an easy yes for the Sox. Jays wouldn't do that deal. For Abreu? Maybe.

 

I don’t touch that deal for Abreu. Especially given the Sox shortstop and RF situations…

[mvp 78]

I don’t touch that deal for Abreu. Especially given the Sox shortstop and RF situations…

 

Not sure I would do the deal, but would consider it. The Jays would consider it too.

[notin]

Not sure I would do the deal, but would consider it. The Jays would consider it too.

 

They walk from Hamilton, however…

[mvp 78]

They walk from Hamilton, however…

 

Yes. Sox would trade Hamilton for Bichette. Jays would say no almost 100% of the time unless they know something we don't. Abreu and Bichette are closer to a fair swap, but what each player brings to the respective teams may not work for the trade itself.

[moonslav59]

I think the Jays would take 4 years of Abreu for 1 of Bichette and save millions of dollars in 2025.

[notin]

Yes. Sox would trade Hamilton for Bichette. Jays would say no almost 100% of the time unless they know something we don't. Abreu and Bichette are closer to a fair swap, but what each player brings to the respective teams may not work for the trade itself.

 

And given the Sox would only control Bichette for 1.5 years, is it worth it? Also who takes over right field? Refsnyder is really not a guy we want to see getting 450-500 PA in a season…

[moonslav59]

And given the Sox would only control Bichette for 1.5 years, is it worth it? Also who takes over right field? Refsnyder is really not a guy we want to see getting 450-500 PA in a season…

 

I think the idea is that Anthony is up in 2025.

 

(I would not trade Abreu for Bichette. We all know there will be a tight budget, again, so $18M on Abreu means that much less spent on pitching.

 

Also, are we so sure he'd be that big RHB we need?

[mvp 78]

I think the idea is that Anthony is up in 2025.

 

(I would not trade Abreu for Bichette. We all know there will be a tight budget, again, so $18M on Abreu means that much less spent on pitching.

 

Also, are we so sure he'd be that big RHB we need?

 

Assuming Story is healthy, you'd have Story, Mayer, Bichette, Casas and Devers for 4 IF spots. That's probably the bigger issue at play.

[Hugh2]

Imagine if the Sox were buyers in 2022 and we missed the wildcard by one game by being that much better and we had a lot less of Duran/Abreu/Wong/Casas/Bello/Houck/Mayer/Bleis/Anthony/Perales????

 

Just freaking sell. This team stinks.