Red SOX 2025 Opewning day roster.

[Bellhorn04]

"Horse" was not a good choice of words, but he has been our top SP'er since 2021, in terms of staying off the IL the most.

 

Horsier than all others?

 

Muscular pony.

[vegasbob]

The Sox 2025 bullpen should be easy to predict, since Breslow already starting building it. Liam Hendriks and Michael Fulmer are already signed. Hopefully the Sox finally learn their lesson about Whitlock. We could also very likely see the returns of any or all of Josh Winckowski, Zack Kelly, Isaiah Kennedy, Brennan Bernardino, Greg Weissert, Cam Booser, and Justin Slaten….

 

Just happened to be watching the pregame Sunday, where a young girl got to toss the first pitch out to none other than Liam Hendricks. I was surprised to see a fat boy stuffed in Sox uniform doing the only squat he may have done in 3 months. This guy would need 3 months of serious conditioning to come back.

 

The young girls throw was not great either.

[moonslav59]

Muscular pony.

 

You are on a roll.

 

Skinny Horse.

[vegasbob]

I was a season ticket holder for 4 years while living in NY!

 

When did you come to your senses on both counts ?

[Larry Cook]

I do not anticipate any extension for pivetta, therefore we should trade him at the deadline and get some value for him.

[moonslav59]

I do not anticipate any extension for pivetta, therefore we should trade him at the deadline and get some value for him.

 

A significant likelihood.

 

Same with Jansen, Martin & O'Neill.

[Randy Red Sox]

A significant likelihood.

 

Same with Jansen, Martin & O'Neill.

 

i agree with trading all 4 but with the way we have been flirting with a .500 record to date the FO will likely feel we are still in a battle for a W/C spot and stand pat.

[moonslav59]

i agree with trading all 4 but with the way we have been flirting with a .500 record to date the FO will likely feel we are still in a battle for a W/C spot and stand pat.

 

I do not see Brez as a hand sitter on-er.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

the FO will likely feel we are still in a battle for a W/C spot and stand pat.

 

Not mocking this statement, but bitter customers charged among the highest prices in fandom by the third richest franchise in baseball have seen the blatant hypocrisy of paralysis for years now.

[Bellhorn04]

Not mocking this statement, but bitter customers charged among the highest prices in fandom by the third richest franchise in baseball have seen the blatant hypocrisy of paralysis for years now.

 

I for one will be somewhat amused if they get put in the same "should we buy or should we sell" position this year. I agree that Breslow is more likely to be bold and sell whatever he can. It'll probably be the right thing to do, but it'll be another firestorm for the front office, after the full throttle, our mission is to compete ********.

[moonslav59]

I for one will be somewhat amused if they get put in the same "should we buy or should we sell" position this year. I agree that Breslow is more likely to be bold and sell whatever he can. It'll probably be the right thing to do, but it'll be another firestorm for the front office, after the full throttle, our mission is to compete ********.

 

Bold could also be to buy, but he'd need a green light from the higher-up to do that, and there is no indication he'll get it, even if we are 8 games over .500 as we near the deadline.

 

I think he will choose to sell, and will trade all of the 4, assuming they have value in July.

 

There will be no, "I didn't get an offer worth taking." He will take the best offers- liking them or not.

 

Just my opinion.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Bold could also be to buy, but he'd need a green light from the higher-up to do that, and there is no indication he'll get it, even if we are 8 games over .500 as we near the deadline.

 

I think he will choose to sell, and will trade all of the 4, assuming they have value in July.

 

There will be no, "I didn't get an offer worth taking." He will take the best offers- liking them or not.

 

Just my opinion.

 

Still waiting for one of those "painful decisions" that means trading someone who might be good someday for someone else who might already be.

[moonslav59]

Still waiting for one of those "painful decisions" that means trading someone who might be good someday for someone else who might already be.

 

I could see Brez going beyond just trading the "big" 4: Jansen, Martin, Pivetta and O'Neill.

 

When he got here, he very quickly determined who to trade and some were big names or had more than a year of control:

 

Sale & Verdugo

Urias and Schreiber

Some younger players like Ammons, Robertson & Santos

 

I realize this might not have meant he disliked any of those guys, but rather liked the return better, but I think he has now had time to determine who he might not think is in his longer term plans.

 

I could see him not only looking very closely at McGuire, with team control that ends after 2025, but also others. I'm not an expert on what Brez likes and dislikes about players, but we might be surprised at a player or two he traded, this summer or winter.

 

I don't think anyone was shocked he traded Sale, Verdugo and Urias. The returns upset, some, but those 3 were thought to be trade targets. The Schreiber deal was a little surprising, but it was not a major deal. The prospects given up for O'Neill and Slaten were not major gives.

 

In short, I could see him trade more than just the 4.

McGuire

[mvp 78]

I for one will be somewhat amused if they get put in the same "should we buy or should we sell" position this year. I agree that Breslow is more likely to be bold and sell whatever he can. It'll probably be the right thing to do, but it'll be another firestorm for the front office, after the full throttle, our mission is to compete ********.

 

If they are 2 games over .500, they shouldn't buy. I think that's about the high watermark for them. They will either be treading water or selling. My guess is that Jansen and Martin are gone pending health. O'Neilll will play out the string as he will be on the IL or have no buyers. Unsure what they will do about Pivetta. Off chance they keep him for QO? IDK.

[Bellhorn04]

I read somewhere that the Red Sox have already as much as said they're trading Jansen no matter what. Makes sense with the Hendriks signing.

 

Kenley should fetch something half decent.

[Old Red]

If they are 2 games over .500, they shouldn't buy. I think that's about the high watermark for them. They will either be treading water or selling. My guess is that Jansen and Martin are gone pending health. O'Neilll will play out the string as he will be on the IL or have no buyers. Unsure what they will do about Pivetta. Off chance they keep him for QO? IDK.

 

It’s not so much what their record is come deadline time, but where they are in the standings, and how close they are to a WC spot. Also the health of the ball club at that time. Anyone you get rid of you’ll have to replace at some time, and what will the cost be.

[mvp 78]

Still waiting for one of those "painful decisions" that means trading someone who might be good someday for someone else who might already be.

 

Why do that for a team that isn't very good right now. Put them over the hump to become an 86 win team? Whoopdeedoo... Aside from Anthony, Mayer and Teel, they don't have guys that would bring much back. Perales and Fitts have some value, but it's much lesser. Trade Guerrero, Jordan, Hickey, Yorke, Bastardo, Castro, Kavadas, Lugo, Paulino, Zeferjahn or other potential Rule 5 guys but you won't get much back. Hell, throw Wikelman in there and you aren't really moving the needle.

[mvp 78]

It’s not so much what their record is come deadline time, but where they are in the standings, and how close they are to a WC spot. Also the health of the ball club at that time. Anyone you get rid of you’ll have to replace at some time, and what will the cost be.

 

Getting swept in the playoffs shouldn't be a goal of this team. The 2024 Boston Red Sox cannot beat teams above .500. Why buy your way into the playoffs under a delusion?

[notin]

Getting swept in the playoffs shouldn't be a goal of this team. The 2024 Boston Red Sox cannot beat teams above .500. Why buy your way into the playoffs under a delusion?

 

 

Isn’t that what Arizona and Texas did last year?

[Bellhorn04]

Isn’t that what Arizona and Texas did last year?

 

Texas had already heavily invested in the 2023 team though. They showed what "full throttle" actually means...

[Old Red]

Getting swept in the playoffs shouldn't be a goal of this team. The 2024 Boston Red Sox cannot beat teams above .500. Why buy your way into the playoffs under a delusion?

 

Have we really seen the 2024 team yet? Hopefully getting Casas back will improve the team, and hopefully NOshida/Yoshida, and O’Neil too. I know you disagree, but getting into the Postseason should be the goal of every team. If not why play at all?

[mvp 78]

Have we really seen the 2024 team yet? Hopefully getting Casas back will improve the team, and hopefully NOshida/Yoshida, and O’Neil too. I know you disagree, but getting into the Postseason should be the goal of every team. If not why play at all?

 

If they were good enough, it should be goal. If they are at .500 in late July, there's no reason to delude themselves as it will only hurt in future years.

[mvp 78]

Who cares about Jeff Bagwell? We can get Larry Andersen now!

[Old Red]

If they were good enough, it should be goal. If they are at .500 in late July, there's no reason to delude themselves as it will only hurt in future years.

 

This I agree with. All I’m saying is get back some injured players back, and hope the pitching holds up, and see what things look like come deadline time.

[mvp 78]

This I agree with. All I’m saying is get back some injured players back, and hope the pitching holds up, and see what things look like come deadline time.

 

We're already seeing regression from the staff!

 

Crawford last 5 starts: 5.79 ERA, 4.42 FIP

Criswell last 5 starts: 5.87 ERA, 3.57 FIP

Pivetta last 5 starts: 5.55 ERA, 5.23 FIP

Bello last 5 starts: 5.67 ERA, 4.80 FIP

[notin]

Who cares about Jeff Bagwell? We can get Larry Andersen now!

 

Hey Bagwell is still available and probably an upgrade at 1b..

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Why do that for a team that isn't very good right now. Put them over the hump to become an 86 win team? Whoopdeedoo... Aside from Anthony, Mayer and Teel, they don't have guys that would bring much back. Perales and Fitts have some value, but it's much lesser. Trade Guerrero, Jordan, Hickey, Yorke, Bastardo, Castro, Kavadas, Lugo, Paulino, Zeferjahn or other potential Rule 5 guys but you won't get much back. Hell, throw Wikelman in there and you aren't really moving the needle.

 

Not disagreeing with any of your post, but remember -- I'm not the CBO who said on the day he was hired he was prepared to make some painful decisions.

 

Guess he's just a boyscout, and will always be prepared, when the day comes... a lot of us may still have one of those cardboard boxes of emergency military meals in the cellar -- but who is ever going to eat one (yes, the cardboard)?

[mvp 78]

Not disagreeing with any of your post, but remember -- I'm not the CBO who said on the day he was hired he was prepared to make some painful decisions.

 

Guess he's just a boyscout, and will always be prepared, when the day comes... a lot of us may still have one of those cardboard boxes of emergency military meals in the cellar -- but who is ever going to eat one (yes, the cardboard)?

 

Yeah, he traded Sale!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Yeah, he traded Sale!

 

And it's been very painful for Grissom ever since.

[moonslav59]

I read somewhere that the Red Sox have already as much as said they're trading Jansen no matter what. Makes sense with the Hendriks signing.

 

Kenley should fetch something half decent.

 

Assuming we trade Jansen for a prospect, it weakens the 2024 chances, so why not just complete the plan and trade all of the big 4 not extended?