Red Sox 2024 Spring Training

[moonslav59]

We are not even going to try to give anyone 180 IP, IMO. Maybe Pivetta & Bello can get there.

 

At best, we might see...

 

GS/IP

32/170 Bello

32/170 Pivetta

25/125 Crawford

25/125 Houck

20/100 Whitlock

20/100 Winckowski

8 others

 

This is assuming no more injuries, and these guys not sucking.

 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

We may end up being better, but in no way are our odds better w/o Gio.

 

Opinion noted.

 

And I might agree, if we were getting the Giolito from three or four years ago. Or the Kluber or Sale from six or seven years ago. But the facts are we weren't, and we didn't.

 

At least now, one of the five-man electrical band can relax and maybe emerge as the next big thing.

[mvp 78]

This seems inaccurate. I heard he was amphibious; he could give up homers underwater, too.

 

He could give up homeruns on Jupiter where a ball is 2.5x its weight.

[notin]

When the guy gets injured in spring training, combined with how he finished last year, it would be absurd to rule out that he was pitching hurt.

 

I never said it was for sure. Kind of a double standard here.

 

If he was pitching hurt last year, then it did not show up in his velocity, which cratered in August but then bounced back.

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/lucas-giolito/15474/graphs?statArr=279&legend=1,2&split=base&time=game&ymin=&ymax=&dStatArray=&start=2023&end=2023&rtype=mult&gt1=15

[notin]

If Giolito's end of season performance was supposed to be an early indicator of injury, should the Sox not even waste time with Michael Lorenzen?

[Bellhorn04]

If he was pitching hurt last year, then it did not show up in his velocity, which cratered in August but then bounced back.

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/lucas-giolito/15474/graphs?statArr=279&legend=1,2&split=base&time=game&ymin=&ymax=&dStatArray=&start=2023&end=2023&rtype=mult>1=15

 

These guys have been known to pitch in pain. Like Sale in 2019 no doubt.

 

And don't forget it was a contract year for Giolito.

[mvp 78]

We are not even going to try to give anyone 180 IP, IMO. Maybe Pivetta & Bello can get there.

 

At best, we might see...

 

GS/IP

32/170 Bello

32/170 Pivetta

25/125 Crawford

25/125 Houck

20/100 Whitlock

20/100 Winckowski

8 others

 

This is assuming no more injuries, and these guys not sucking.

 

 

At best? Not too unreasonable.

 

Bello 32/180 (on pace for 180 last season)

Pivetta 32/180 (pitched 180 in '22)

Crawford 32/160 (prorated based on starts 6/20 and on)

Houck 25/125 (pretend that he's a little healthier)

Whitlock 22/120 (would be professional high in innings, but doesn't seem too crazy if he can make it to 22 starts.

[mvp 78]

If Giolito's end of season performance was supposed to be an early indicator of injury, should the Sox not even waste time with Michael Lorenzen?

 

He may need a whole new skeleton after that no hitter!

[notin]

These guys have been known to pitch in pain. Like Sale in 2019 no doubt.

 

And don't forget it was a contract year for Giolito.

 

I think this logic is filled with a bunch of assumptions about the guy.

 

Even if your argument is Giolito was inured last year and the Sox medical staff missed it, he pitched on 3 differente teams. He also got physicals from the Angels' staff and Guardians' staff. He fooled 3 staffs?

[Bellhorn04]

He may need a whole new skeleton after that no hitter!

 

Yet another no hitter that was followed up by disaster.

[mvp 78]

Yet another no hitter that was followed up by disaster.

 

I may need to follow up with his IG to make sure his love life is going well just to be sure.

[Bellhorn04]

I think this logic is filled with a bunch of assumptions about the guy.

 

Even if your argument is Giolito was inured last year and the Sox medical staff missed it, he pitched on 3 differente teams. He also got physicals from the Angels' staff and Guardians' staff. He fooled 3 staffs?

 

Look, if folks can attribute getting shelled repeatedly to going through a divorce, I don't see how suggesting he might have been injured is off limits.

 

I don't know that's what it was for sure, how many times do I have to say it.

[Bellhorn04]

I may need to follow up with his IG to make sure his love life is going well just to be sure.

 

He's got 38.5 mill and a lot of time off, he should be having a good time.

[moonslav59]

He's got 38.5 mill and a lot of time off, he should be having a good time.

 

This may scare JH even more against signing any SP'er- ever again!

[jad]

Look, if folks can attribute getting shelled repeatedly to going through a divorce, I don't see how suggesting he might have been injured is off limits.

 

I don't know that's what it was for sure, how many times do I have to say it.

 

That's because you are arguing with a FO AI Bot who has all the facts, past and future.

[Bellhorn04]

This may scare JH even more against signing any SP'er- ever again!

 

Our record at the end of 2024 might scare him too.

[Bellhorn04]

Whether he was hurt or it was the divorce or what it was, Giolito's horrific finish last year was a red flag of some sort. It was another dumpster dive, but a more expensive one than any of Chaim's.

[Bellhorn04]

This is all Henry's fault, actually. His penny-pinching keeps forcing his CBO's into making moves for damaged or inferior goods like this.

[mvp 78]

This is all Henry's fault, actually. His penny-pinching keeps forcing his CBO's into making moves for damaged or inferior goods like this.

 

Yes.

[notin]

Whether he was hurt or it was the divorce or what it was, Giolito's horrific finish last year was a red flag of some sort. It was another dumpster dive, but a more expensive one than any of Chaim's.

 

I don’t buy that his horrific finish was necessarily a red flag.

 

Paxton was worse than Giolito over the last 2 months of 2023. 7.62 ERA to 7.14. Does this mean the Dodgers ignored Paxton’s obvious red flag?

 

Guess what pitcher had the worst ERA in MLB over the last 2 months of 2023 (20 IP min)? Hint: His name rhymes with Nate Eovaldi. That red flag didn’t stop Mr. Nate from being s postseason hero, did it?

[notin]

This is all Henry's fault, actually. His penny-pinching keeps forcing his CBO's into making moves for damaged or inferior goods like this.

 

So… on board with a perfectly healthy (as far as I know) and willing to play for the league minimum Trevor Bauer yet?

[Randy Red Sox]

So… on board with a perfectly healthy (as far as I know) and willing to play for the league minimum Trevor Bauer yet?

 

that will never happen. Even if we sign Montgomery now the Sox are still a last place team.

[Duran Is The Man]

At his point, just total punt.

 

Fire sale ASAP.

 

Or….signed one or both of the gotdamn pitchers they should have signed in the first place -Snell or Montgomery. Why the f*** would you punt on third down?

[Randy Red Sox]

Why take crap offers? That's not how you rebuild. The Sox had a crap offer for Sale and passed on it, and waiting got them 5 years of a legit prospect/potential starting infielder...

 

Is the plan supposed to be loading up for the future or just cutting payroll today?

 

i think some of both but mainly the latter

[Duran Is The Man]

This is all Henry's fault, actually. His penny-pinching keeps forcing his CBO's into making moves for damaged or inferior goods like this.

 

Yep. f*** John Henry.

[Duran Is The Man]

So… on board with a perfectly healthy (as far as I know) and willing to play for the league minimum Trevor Bauer yet?

 

I am. No way Henry does it though. He’s afraid it might hurt his image.

[notin]

that will never happen. Even if we sign Montgomery now the Sox are still a last place team.

 

 

Sign Montgomery and Bauer, which basically equals wjust Montgomery money.

 

The solution is easy, and the Sox can scream “panic move” when the media stars dredging up Bauer stories.

 

For less money, they could sign two from Clevinger, German and Lauer. But Clevinger is worse than Bauer and German is not exactly up for sainthood either…

[Randy Red Sox]

Sign Montgomery and Bauer, which basically equals wjust Montgomery money.

 

The solution is easy, and the Sox can scream “panic move” when the media stars dredging up Bauer stories.

 

For less money, they could sign two from Clevinger, German and Lauer. But Clevinger is worse than Bauer and German is not exactly up for sainthood either…

 

none of those those 3 will move the needle to get the Sox past the mushy middle. better to just go with what we have and punt on the year.and draft another SS with our 1st rd pick

[jad]

RULES QUESTION: I'm watching Dodgers. Mookie gets a hit. Pitcher holds him on--throws over and as Mookie is diving in, ball hits him in the wrist. He just lies there. Gets up. Trots to second ... Say what? ( The ball must have gone into dugout? right? although I did not see that ) If ball hits runner, ball is still in play, correct? (I don't think this was the third throw over ...)

[Old Red]

This is all Henry's fault, actually. His penny-pinching keeps forcing his CBO's into making moves for damaged or inferior goods like this.

 

When Gio was signed he said he hadn’t drawn much interest from other clubs, so it sounds pretty much like the Red Sox were bidding against themselves.