Chris Sale traded to Braves

[Old Red]

For years, you’ve called him Chris Frail. Not one person out here projected him as a member of the Sox rotation. When he was brought up, the comment was always “you can’t count on Sale.” He’s throw 151 IP TOTAL in the past FOUR YEARS!

 

Exactly how much trade value do you think he had on his own? If the Sox didn’t pay done his debt, all they would have gotten is salary relief. And that wouldn’t be worth anything given how little they spend on players…

There was word out In MLB that someone out there wanted Sale, and would have taken his salary too, but Bloom didn’t do it,so don’t say there is no one out there that wouldn’t have done that. That may be your opinion just like I have mine, but it doesn’t make it so.

[Hugh2]

Lol

[notin]

There was word out In MLB that someone out there wanted Sale, and would have taken his salary too, but Bloom didn’t do it,so don’t say there is no one out there that wouldn’t have done that. That may be your opinion just like I have mine, but it doesn’t make it so.

 

That was two years ago and before his bike accident.

 

And in that deal, the Sox got nothing but salary relief, which was reportedly why Bloom didn’t do it…

[moonslav59]

Ain't that the truth.

 

I'm rather surprised by the negative reaction to.this trade. We've got an exciting 2nd baseman at last. Removed another 10m off the bill to spend elsewhere.

 

We're clearly going to be sending a middle infield prospect or 2 away for pitching. If they get Teoscar, likely packaged with one of outfield prospects for a very exciting young pitcher.

 

It's like people are judging the entire coming season on what we have now. Clearly more moves are coming.

 

I think the last few years of nibbling around the edges have scarred people. Breslow isn't Bloom. There's other big moves coming.

 

Let’s see if we spend that $10M before counting it as a big part of the trade.

 

When we traded Betts and Price, we never replaced their contract cost savings.

When Porcello left-same.

Last season we were $6M under, so didn’t spend all the Bogey bolting money, either.

 

If we get a 1-2 pitcher with that money plus more, the trade looks fine. If we end up almost $10M under and left a hole unfilled or a position not upgraded, then the “savings” mean nothing, except to JH’s already fat wallet.

[Old Red]

So is thinking unloading Sale and his full salary would have lead to signing a better player…

 

Now that makes NO sense at all that had they unloaded Sale’s $27M they couldn’t, or wouldn’t have signed a better player.

[Hugh2]

So the Red Sox won’t sign anyone.

 

But if they should have gotten rid of all of Sales money to do so. Even though they wouldn’t do it.

 

Why? So they can get a participation trophy that says “1st place for having the money to sign Snell but still didn’t sign him”

 

Here’s a thought. It ain’t a zero sum game! Sales money does NOT prevent them from any other signings. It was off the books next year, and they just reset. His money has zero bearing on other moves.

 

They got a highly talented young player, a

Who could help this team up until 2030!!!!

 

It’s insane to me that people hate this trade

[Old Red]

That was two years ago and before his bike accident.

 

And in that deal, the Sox got nothing but salary relief, which was reportedly why Bloom didn’t do it…

 

Oh yes the bike accident would scare people away. Bike accident? Really? Wow?

[Bellhorn04]

What did our friend BTV think of the trade?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Everyone had Sale penciled in to the Red Sox rotation, and starting opening day.

 

Whoa, there -- not everyone. Cora did all he could to boost Tall Slim's confidence, Bloom refused to eat any salary, and a lot of fans bought into counting on him. But some of us refused to include him in even our last two year's projected rotations.

 

And now, finally, we don't have to read his name in any more starting lists or hear Sam tell us Sale will be better when he returns in August than anybody they could possibly trade for.

 

As for the $17 mil -- if it bugs you so much, think of it as the cost of a future star Fenway batter... like a free agent signed for the next six seasons (17 divided by 6, plus his minimum wages and raises isn't bad for a guy if he can repeat his 4-year minor league success in the majors: .320 BA, .884 OPS).

[Bellhorn04]

So the Red Sox won’t sign anyone.

 

But if they should have gotten rid of all of Sales money to do so. Even though they wouldn’t do it.

 

Why? So they can get a participation trophy that says “1st place for having the money to sign Snell but still didn’t sign him”

 

Here’s a thought. It ain’t a zero sum game! Sales money does NOT prevent them from any other signings. It was off the books next year, and they just reset. His money has zero bearing on other moves.

 

They got a highly talented young player, a

Who could help this team up until 2030!!!!

 

It’s insane to me that people hate this trade

 

Bellhorn is on board with this trade, mainly because Grissom seems like a decent get.

[Old Red]

So the Red Sox won’t sign anyone.

 

But if they should have gotten rid of all of Sales money to do so. Even though they wouldn’t do it.

 

Why? So they can get a participation trophy that says “1st place for having the money to sign Snell but still didn’t sign him”

 

Here’s a thought. It ain’t a zero sum game! Sales money does NOT prevent them from any other signings. It was off the books next year, and they just reset. His money has zero bearing on other moves.

 

They got a highly talented young player, a

Who could help this team up until 2030!!!!

 

It’s insane to me that people hate this trade

Who said they hated the trade? Who? All I said was I don’t like paying Atlanta $17M.

[Hugh2]

Crazy thought here. People had Sale penciled in because he was under contract.

[Hugh2]

Who said they hated the trade? Who? All I said was I don’t like paying Atlanta $17M.

 

So they can save a few Pennie’s that they’re not going to spend elsewhere according to you?

[Old Red]

Bellhorn is on board with this trade, mainly because Grissom seems like a decent get.

 

And I’m not disputing that, and never have.

[notin]

There was word out In MLB that someone out there wanted Sale, and would have taken his salary too, but Bloom didn’t do it,so don’t say there is no one out there that wouldn’t have done that. That may be your opinion just like I have mine, but it doesn’t make it so.

 

Actually your way is fantasy.

 

The Sox got 3 years of pre-arbitration Vaughn Grissom by letting Atlanta pay $10mill AAV on Sale. Who were the Sox going to get at 2b who is better than Grissom and willing to sign for $17mill over 3 years? Isaiah Kiner-Falefa - who was on no one’s radar but mine - just signed for $15mill over two years…

[moonslav59]

So is thinking unloading Sale and his full salary would have lead to signing a better player…

 

A certain poster is against these big FA signings, so adding $27M to the 30 we already have would mean 27 more for JH.

[Old Red]

Crazy thought here. People had Sale penciled in because he was under contract.

 

None of us are Cora, and I’ll say with 100% positivity that had Sale been on the Red Sox, and healthy on March 28 2024 he would have been the opening day starter since it’s not his birthday. If you, or others don’t then fine.

[notin]

Crazy thought here. People had Sale penciled in because he was under contract.

 

And those same people all cited you could not count on him.

 

Except cp, who did count on him, so him I get objecting to you’d deal…

[Hugh2]

Actually your way is fantasy.

 

The Sox got 3 years of pre-arbitration Vaughn Grissom by letting Atlanta pay $10mill AAV on Sale. Who were the Sox going to get at 2b who is better than Grissom and willing to sign for $17mill over 3 years? Isaiah Kiner-Falefa - who was on no one’s radar but mine - just signed for $15mill over two years…

 

Isn’t Kike Hernandez a free agent?

[notin]

None of us are Cora, and I’ll say with 100% positivity that had Sale been on the Red Sox, and healthy on March 28 2024 he would have been the opening day starter since it’s not his birthday. If you, or others don’t then fine.

 

Cora didn’t do that last year…

[notin]

Isn’t Kike Hernandez a free agent?

 

Kike can’t be had for $17mill over 3 years…

[Hugh2]

None of us are Cora, and I’ll say with 100% positivity that had Sale been on the Red Sox, and healthy on March 28 2024 he would have been the opening day starter since it’s not his birthday. If you, or others don’t then fine.

 

I don’t care who starts. I care about results over 162 games and subsequent years

[Old Red]

A certain poster is against these big FA signings, so adding $27M to the 30 we already have would mean 27 more for JH.

 

From the guy who always thinks he knows how much the Red Sox are going to spend, and who they will spend it on, and always gets it wrong like there was NO ONE better in all of MLB better than Kike for $10M. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

[Old Red]

Cora didn’t do that last year…

 

It was his birthday, and Cora said he wanted him to relax, and enjoy it. That’s a fact! Where were you when that happened?

[notin]

I suppose the Sox could have outbid the Mets for notin favorite Joey Wendle. And I’m sure everyone would have been on board with Wendle over Vaughn…

[moonslav59]

So the Red Sox won’t sign anyone.

 

But if they should have gotten rid of all of Sales money to do so. Even though they wouldn’t do it.

 

Why? So they can get a participation trophy that says “1st place for having the money to sign Snell but still didn’t sign him”

 

Here’s a thought. It ain’t a zero sum game! Sales money does NOT prevent them from any other signings. It was off the books next year, and they just reset. His money has zero bearing on other moves.

 

They got a highly talented young player, a

Who could help this team up until 2030!!!!

 

It’s insane to me that people hate this trade

 

I think hate is a strong word.

 

If we had no Sale, I’d have been fine adding 2 good SPers and then paying a FA Sale $10M to be my 4th starter and knocking Crawford or Pivetta to the pen. We’d be better with Sale as our 13th pitcher over Mata.

 

Let’s not act like he’s worth nothing.

 

I like the Grissom addition the more I know about him.

 

I do think spending that$10M in2024 matters to balance the trade. If we end up significantly below the tax line, that $10M was useless.

[Old Red]

Actually your way is fantasy.

 

The Sox got 3 years of pre-arbitration Vaughn Grissom by letting Atlanta pay $10mill AAV on Sale. Who were the Sox going to get at 2b who is better than Grissom and willing to sign for $17mill over 3 years? Isaiah Kiner-Falefa - who was on no one’s radar but mine - just signed for $15mill over two years…

 

So like last year there was no one better than Kike for $10M, and now there is no one better in all off MLB than Grissom to play 2B for the Red Sox who would come for whatever price.

[Old Red]

I suppose the Sox could have outbid the Mets for notin favorite Joey Wendle. And I’m sure everyone would have been on board with Wendle over Vaughn…

 

Vaughn is nothing more than a suspect at this point, so let’s not pump him up to be more than he is until he proves something. Just, because he sucked at SS doesn’t mean he’s going to be a good 2B.

[Bellhorn04]

I think hate is a strong word.

 

If we had no Sale, I’d have been fine adding 2 good SPers and then paying a FA Sale $10M to be my 4th starter and knocking Crawford or Pivetta to the pen. We’d be better with Sale as our 13th pitcher over Mata.

 

Let’s not act like he’s worth nothing.

 

I like the Grissom addition the more I know about him.

 

I do think spending that$10M in2024 matters to balance the trade. If we end up significantly below the tax line, that $10M was useless.

 

It's useless if the worst case scenario of JH the Penny Pincher and Werner the Liar comes to fruition.

[Old Red]

And those same people all cited you could not count on him.

 

Except cp, who did count on him, so him I get objecting to you’d deal…

 

It has nothing to do with if Sale can be counted on to even pitch 1 inning in 2024. That’s been well documented, and hashed, and hashed over again.