Red Sox sign Lucas Giolito

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

So, trade Story? (soxprospects has Story at 2B, Mayer at SS and Grissom at DH in '25.)

 

Is that Zack Kelly as SP?

 

No Schreiber, Fitts or Bernardino love?

 

Merrill?

 

So many lefty batters... but young Bleis gets the late-season call-up for the postseason (like Bogie in '13), Teel is All-Star game MVP, Anthony Rookie of the Year, Ceddanne Gold Glove, the entire infield wins Silver Sluggers, and Raffy is voted AL MVP.

 

My gummy was lime green.

[mvp 78]

Merrill?

 

So many lefty batters... but young Bleis gets the late-season call-up for the postseason (like Bogie in '13), Teel is All-Star game MVP, Anthony Rookie of the Year, Ceddanne Gold Glove, the entire infield wins Silver Sluggers, and Raffy is voted AL MVP.

 

My gummy was lime green.

 

Merrill Kelly is a FA next offseason.

[mvp 78]

So, trade Story? (soxprospects has Story at 2B, Mayer at SS and Grissom at DH in '25.)

 

Is that Zack Kelly as SP?

 

No Schreiber, Fitts or Bernardino love?

SoxProspects doesn't propose trades in advance. If they are signing Kelly, Snell and Buehler then Fitts is still an emergency callup from WOO. Schreiber no longer looks like a late inning guy. Bernardino is most likely a one year wonder.

[notin]

So, trade Story? (soxprospects has Story at 2B, Mayer at SS and Grissom at DH in '25.)

 

Is that Zack Kelly as SP?

 

No Schreiber, Fitts or Bernardino love?

 

Story plus $30mill for Mitch Haniger. Not an exciting trade, but if the goal is to save money, the Sox save about $35mill over the deal and reduce the AAV by about $1.8mill.

 

Haniger is good when healthy, but he’s never healthy…

[Hugh2]

There's definitely a version of the future where Story gets traded, and maybe even brings back something of value.

 

If Grissom hits and can field second and Mayer isn't traded thats your middle infield. If Story gets healthy and productive for a season, he becomes very tradeable.

[mvp 78]

There's definitely a version of the future where Story gets traded, and maybe even brings back something of value.

 

If Grissom hits and can field second and Mayer isn't traded thats your middle infield. If Story gets healthy and productive for a season, he becomes very tradeable.

 

Below market contract!

[Old Red]

There's definitely a version of the future where Story gets traded, and maybe even brings back something of value.

 

If Grissom hits and can field second and Mayer isn't traded thats your middle infield. If Story gets healthy and productive for a season, he becomes very tradeable.

 

Lot of if, if, if. Need all 3 to happen, which is unlikely.

[Randy Red Sox]

Story plus $30mill for Mitch Haniger. Not an exciting trade, but if the goal is to save money, the Sox save about $35mill over the deal and reduce the AAV by about $1.8mill.

 

Haniger is good when healthy, but he’s never healthy…

 

either is Story so a fair trade

[notin]

Lot of if, if, if. Need all 3 to happen, which is unlikely.

 

Really you just need one to happen. Grissom is already here and unless he’s freakishly incompetent at 2b, he already owns the position.

 

It’s not difficult to not trade Mayer.

 

So that just leaves Story healthy, which is and really always was the only factor that makes him tradable…

[notin]

either is Story so a fair trade

 

Story has had two injury-plagued years. But before that was remarkably durable. Haniger has only played in 625 games in EIGHT YEARS. And has only topped 63 games three times and 96 games twice. Story is Cal Ripken in comparison…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Story has had two injury-plagued years. But before that was remarkably durable. Haniger has only played in 625 games in EIGHT YEARS. And has only topped 63 games three times and 96 games twice. Story is Cal Ripken in comparison…

 

That means Haniger (long coveted by 5Gs) is well-rested for what he's been saving himself for, all these years: the chance to finally show off that Fenway swing all over the AL East ballparks.

 

IN!

[notin]

That means Haniger (long coveted by 5Gs) is well-rested for what he's been saving himself for, all these years: the chance to finally show off that Fenway swing all over the AL East ballparks.

 

IN!

 

He might give us 40 good games!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

He might give us 40 good games!

 

A regular playhorse.

[Hugh2]

Lot of if, if, if. Need all 3 to happen, which is unlikely.

 

Right. This is why I don’t trade Mayer for pitching this offseason.

[moonslav59]

SoxProspects doesn't propose trades in advance. If they are signing Kelly, Snell and Buehler then Fitts is still an emergency callup from WOO. Schreiber no longer looks like a late inning guy. Bernardino is most likely a one year wonder.

 

I can understand giving up on Schreiber. He may have just been a flash in the pan in '22. He only had 31 IP in MLB in the 3 prior seasons, combined. His 3.86 ERA and 4.52 FIP in 2023 could be who he really is, but he still had a 10.2 K/9 rate. It was his 4.8 BB rate and 1.2 HR/9 that hurt in '23.

 

He did miss time in June, due to an injury, and was at 2.12/3.14 before going on the IL in mid May.

4.30/4.69 July 25 to Sept 12.

6.75/7.46 Sept 13-Oct 1 (last 7 games)

 

Opening Day to Sept 13:

3.38/4.03

.688 OPS Against in 40 IP (.296 BAbip with an awful D behind him)

20 BB/ 45 K

4 HR

 

[moonslav59]

Right. This is why I don’t trade Mayer for pitching this offseason.

 

You could be right, but there could come a time, when we say, "I wish we'd have traded Mayer, when his stock was high."

 

Of course, he could blow away the $44M value BTV gives him, too.

[moonslav59]

Right. This is why I don’t trade Mayer for pitching this offseason.

 

If we aren't going to try hard to win in 2024, I would not make a top prospect trade, until we see more from these kids and guys like Grissom, Rafaela, Abreu, Wong and if Story is bouncing back to his old form.

[notin]

You could be right, but there could come a time, when we say, "I wish we'd have traded Mayer, when his stock was high."

 

Of course, he could blow away the $44M value BTV gives him, too.

 

 

Is Mayer’s stock really high right now?

[notin]

Right. This is why I don’t trade Mayer for pitching this offseason.

 

One down. Two to go…

[Randy Red Sox]

Story has had two injury-plagued years. But before that was remarkably durable. Haniger has only played in 625 games in EIGHT YEARS. And has only topped 63 games three times and 96 games twice. Story is Cal Ripken in comparison…

 

I Only concern myself with Story in his time n Boston

[notin]

I Only concern myself with Story in his time n Boston

 

 

Well, if he gets traded maybe you’ll find him more interesting all off the sudden…

[moonslav59]

Is Mayer’s stock really high right now?

 

BTV had him over 50 before, and 44 is pretty high, but certainly it could go over 60 or 70 with a strong 2023 at AAA.

 

We must admit it could fall below 30, too.

[Duran Is The Man]

I tried to point this out, but was not as eloquent as you.

 

Basically, if Giolito is good, he's as good as gone (unless anyone thinks Henry will pay more for him, a year later)...

 

... but if Giolito is bad, he won't opt out (because no one will pay him more than Boston's $19M to serve meatballs) -- but at least we'll then get to see him eat innings for two seasons.

 

 

coming from you, that means a lot. LOL.

[Randy Red Sox]

Well, if he gets traded maybe you’ll find him more interesting all off the sudden…

 

And why would that be? I never followed Story before he came to Boston and likely woudnt follow hm much if we traded hm either

[sk7326]

Is Mayer’s stock really high right now?

 

Yes. It only looks worse because he played through a hurt shoulder and Roman Anthony exists.

[moonslav59]

Yes. It only looks worse because he played through a hurt shoulder and Roman Anthony exists.

 

I think every GM values Mayer highly, as they should.

 

I do think he looks like the logical one to trade, since we have Story (4 yrs) and Grissom (6 yrs,) but it could end up as a selling low trade. (I doubt we get much for Yorke, unless we package him with Duran, Rafaela or someone like Houck/Crawford.

 

Since the "full throttle" is a sham, I'd just wait for the expected bump in value in 2024. Maybe Story bounces back and builds up his trade value, and we deal him while calling up Mayer.

 

Teel looks like a keeper, too, but it is early.

 

Bleis deserves a chance to show his early promise after missing time with an injury.

 

It's nice having a solid 4 like Anthony, Mayer, Teel and Bleis. I'm pretty sure at least one will end up underperforming, but I feel confident 3 will do well or 2 very well.

 

I also like the next tier of Rafaela, Abreu, Cespedes and maybe one from Wikelman + Perales.

 

I'm not as high on Yorke as soxprospects.com is, but he still has promise. (I put him tier 3.)

 

I really like Anthony more, and our CF/RF need is now higher than SS/2B.

[sk7326]

I think every GM values Mayer highly, as they should.

 

I do think he looks like the logical one to trade, since we have Story (4 yrs) and Grissom (6 yrs,) but it could end up as a selling low trade. (I doubt we get much for Yorke, unless we package him with Duran, Rafaela or someone like Houck/Crawford.

 

Since the "full throttle" is a sham, I'd just wait for the expected bump in value in 2024. Maybe Story bounces back and builds up his trade value, and we deal him while calling up Mayer.

 

Teel looks like a keeper, too, but it is early.

 

Bleis deserves a chance to show his early promise after missing time with an injury.

 

It's nice having a solid 4 like Anthony, Mayer, Teel and Bleis. I'm pretty sure at least one will end up underperforming, but I feel confident 3 will do well or 2 very well.

 

I also like the next tier of Rafaela, Abreu, Cespedes and maybe one from Wikelman + Perales.

 

I'm not as high on Yorke as soxprospects.com is, but he still has promise. (I put him tier 3.)

 

I really like Anthony more, and our CF/RF need is now higher than SS/2B.

 

It is good to have options. But where this team is, you keep the guys you think can be stars and trade guys on the next tier.

 

I don't think Yorke is the centerpiece of a trade for a #1/#2 starter - but he does have value as a near ML-ready regular, and with all of that team control. To me, Bleis is the one to trade simply because he is so far away - just a wider range of outcomes. But he might make a leap this year, his Statcast numbers are promising.

 

And obviously Zanetello is a wild card - the sort of elite, elite traits and tools which could rocket through the system ...

 

I do think the team is serious in the trade market. As far as FAs go, who knows - the top guys are all Boras dudes, so nobody is going to learn anything for a while one way or the other.

[moonslav59]

It is good to have options. But where this team is, you keep the guys you think can be stars and trade guys on the next tier.

 

I don't think Yorke is the centerpiece of a trade for a #1/#2 starter - but he does have value as a near ML-ready regular, and with all of that team control. To me, Bleis is the one to trade simply because he is so far away - just a wider range of outcomes. But he might make a leap this year, his Statcast numbers are promising.

 

And obviously Zanetello is a wild card - the sort of elite, elite traits and tools which could rocket through the system ...

 

I do think the team is serious in the trade market. As far as FAs go, who knows - the top guys are all Boras dudes, so nobody is going to learn anything for a while one way or the other.

 

If we are never going to sign a real ace SP'er, and it doesn't look like we have any pitchers on our farm any better looking than Bello or Crawford, eventually, we will have to trade prospects to get one. It does not have to be this winter. We could see how our prospects look for one more season, while also getting a better read on the future of Story, but at some point, I think we have to do what we did to get Pedro & Schilling and a ring, Beckett and a ring, Porcello plus Sale and a ring... TRADE!

 

We aren't getting an ace for a 5 player package of #4 Rafaela, #6Yorke, #7 Perales, #8 Abreu and #9 Wikelman.

[mvp 78]

I think every GM values Mayer highly, as they should.

 

I do think he looks like the logical one to trade, since we have Story (4 yrs) and Grissom (6 yrs,) but it could end up as a selling low trade. (I doubt we get much for Yorke, unless we package him with Duran, Rafaela or someone like Houck/Crawford.

 

Since the "full throttle" is a sham, I'd just wait for the expected bump in value in 2024. Maybe Story bounces back and builds up his trade value, and we deal him while calling up Mayer.

 

Teel looks like a keeper, too, but it is early.

 

Bleis deserves a chance to show his early promise after missing time with an injury.

 

It's nice having a solid 4 like Anthony, Mayer, Teel and Bleis. I'm pretty sure at least one will end up underperforming, but I feel confident 3 will do well or 2 very well.

 

I also like the next tier of Rafaela, Abreu, Cespedes and maybe one from Wikelman + Perales.

 

I'm not as high on Yorke as soxprospects.com is, but he still has promise. (I put him tier 3.)

 

I really like Anthony more, and our CF/RF need is now higher than SS/2B.

 

Yorke is still high in their rankings due to proximity to MLB. He's still on the younger side being a HS draftee. His defense is better than initially projected. They have noted specific concerns in regards to Yorke, but it's not like the guys right behind him are wart-free (Perales, Abreu, Wikelman). Cespedes could leapfrog this grouping, but it's too hasty to do that for a guy who hasn't played stateside yet.

 

IMO, the Sox system is pretty deep, but there are no top end prospects aside from the big three (Anthony, Mayer, Teel). Everyone else is pretty far behind that group. There are some interesting guys for sure, but being interesting isn't the same as being a top 50 prospect.

[mvp 78]

It is good to have options. But where this team is, you keep the guys you think can be stars and trade guys on the next tier.

 

I don't think Yorke is the centerpiece of a trade for a #1/#2 starter - but he does have value as a near ML-ready regular, and with all of that team control. To me, Bleis is the one to trade simply because he is so far away - just a wider range of outcomes. But he might make a leap this year, his Statcast numbers are promising.

 

And obviously Zanetello is a wild card - the sort of elite, elite traits and tools which could rocket through the system ...

 

I do think the team is serious in the trade market. As far as FAs go, who knows - the top guys are all Boras dudes, so nobody is going to learn anything for a while one way or the other.

 

With Bleis, I just don't think the value is there yet. Trading partners want either elite and/or major league ready talent. Bleis as a prospect is just speculation at this point. He's shown nothing above the complex league.