Red Sox sign Lucas Giolito

[sk7326]

Soxprospects lists Sale, Bello and Crawford and two acquisitions (one being Giolito).

 

Crawford may be more entrenched as a starter than you think. And I think he’s earned it…

 

Honestly - assuming Sale doesn't get attacked by locusts ... Sale, Bello, Giolito, Pivetta, Crawford is not where you want to be at the top of the rotation, but it should be average to a little above.

[iortiz]

A number 4 SP, maybe 5 at this point.

 

Said that I have no idea where this team is going to nor what the plan is.

[mvp 78]

Honestly - assuming Sale doesn't get attacked by locusts ... Sale, Bello, Giolito, Pivetta, Crawford is not where you want to be at the top of the rotation, but it should be average to a little above.

 

Should be better than last year depending on health.

[mvp 78]

Also Giolito for 2/$38.5 is a better deal than Wacha for 2/$32…

 

Yes.

[mvp 78]

As I stated before, Giolito was likely to be a successful reclamation project for a team with a good pitch development system, my doubt was the Red Sox being that team. 200 K guys don't grow on trees. We'll see.

 

Sox pitching system is a reclamation project in and of itself.

[vegasbob]

Feels a lot like Bloom Redux , except ,like Turner, a good season and the player only opt out leaves your cupboard bare in '25 . On the other hand a bad year and the Sox will spend another approximately $19MM carrying Giolito's ex alimony award for '25.

 

I guess the answer to the first scenario is that '24 gives Breslow a year to see and improve any MiLB talent the Sox may have, solidify Bello as a real MLB pitcher, and trade Sale at the deadline, while Lucas racks up 180 innings. The second scenario really has no good outcome.

[moonslav59]

3.62 FIP and .666 OPSa in those 10 starts, so not really a terrible finish.

 

True. Look at Puvetta’s finish, too, and he has a larger body of work as an innings eater.

 

Like I said, I’m fine with either one. With Sale counted in the 5, both will likely start 20+ games even we add a #1 or 2/3 type.

[moonslav59]

Honestly - assuming Sale doesn't get attacked by locusts ... Sale, Bello, Giolito, Pivetta, Crawford is not where you want to be at the top of the rotation, but it should be average to a little above.

 

We still need a solid 1-2, or this season does not look promising, at all.

[Bellhorn04]

We still need a solid 1-2, or this season does not look promising, at all.

 

And there's just no excuse not to get that solid 1-2.

[sk7326]

And there's just no excuse not to get that solid 1-2.

 

I am still somewhat optimistic something shakes down with one of the good remaining pitchers. Of course, they are all Boras guys so things could be slooooooooooooooooooooow

[moonslav59]

And there's just no excuse not to get that solid 1-2.

 

I agree.

 

To me, we have 2 or maybe 3 major slots needing improvement, and #1 is a solid 1-2 SP.

2 is 2B

3 might be CF/RF or C

 

We have $37M to stay under the tax line and should be able to go$19M above that. We have trade capital to use, as well.

 

Absolutely no reason for not filling all 3 slots with very good to excellent players.

[moonslav59]

I am still somewhat optimistic something shakes down with one of the good remaining pitchers. Of course, they are all Boras guys so things could be slooooooooooooooooooooow

 

I’m not optimistic, but some hope still remains.

 

Once Snell and Monty are gone, Imanaga or Stroman would not be enough, IMO, so the top pitcher would have to be by trade. That is a possibility, so hope is not gone.

 

I’m just looking at a5 year trend and thinking I need to see the change to believe it. I still have hope but no optimism or expectations for us adding 2-3 excellent players.

[sk7326]

I’m not optimistic, but some hope still remains.

 

Once Snell and Monty are gone, Imanaga or Stroman would not be enough, IMO, so the top pitcher would have to be by trade. That is a possibility, so hope is not gone.

 

I’m just looking at a5 year trend and thinking I need to see the change to believe it. I still have hope but no optimism or expectations for us adding 2-3 excellent players.

 

Well, time to get a #1 pitcher I guess!

[notin]

A number 4 SP, maybe 5 at this point.

 

Said that I have no idea where this team is going to nor what the plan is.

 

The plan seems obvious to me. Maybe a little toooo obvious. Hmmm.

 

That said:

 

Step 1: Sign Teoscar Hernandez to play RF, which then allows Breslow to:

Step 2: Trade Jarren Duran for a SP. Most likely to Cleveland or Miami. Once this happens, the Sox can:

Step 3: Trade Nick Pivetta (or Kutter Crawford?) for a 2b. Moving a pitcher at this point becomes necessary due to so few having options. A Pivetta/Jorge Polanco swap with Minnesota makes so much sense for both teams, the only thing obviously holding it up is steps 1 and 2.

 

At that point, catcher is the biggest remaining question mark.

 

SP: Sale, Giolito, Bello, Crawford, Acquisition

BP: Jansen, Martin, Schreiber, Winckowski, Houck, Whitlock, Bernardino, Mata, Slaten (Wincky might have to start in Worcester if everyone is healthy).

 

C: Wong

1b: Casas

2b: Polanco

3b: Devers

SS: Story

LF: O’Neil

CF: Rafaela

RF: Hernandez

DH: Yoshida

 

BN: McGuire, Refsnyder, Reyes, Valdez(?)

[Jasonbay44]

My main problem with this is that it’s a deal that’s friendly for Giolito but not really the Sox. If he sucks, he gets $19 million, if he’s good and that’s a big if, he’s a solid deal.. for 1 year and then can cash in the next season and Sox are left with nothing. I don’t get it for a team that isn’t winning now.

[notin]

Montas to Cincy. The best remaining longshot is off the board…

[sk7326]

My main problem with this is that it’s a deal that’s friendly for Giolito but not really the Sox. If he sucks, he gets $19 million, if he’s good and that’s a big if, he’s a solid deal.. for 1 year and then can cash in the next season and Sox are left with nothing. I don’t get it for a team that isn’t winning now.

 

1. I don't think the Red Sox are conceding next year - and with the 3 Wild Cards they shouldn't (ever)

2. If Giolito is good, he will cost sticker price - but the Red Sox absolutely can (and should) pay it. It's not a super friendly deal for Boston, but if Giolito is good - $19M is a screaming bargain. Even if Giolito is just an innings sponge - it's not a good value for $19M but it is not debilitating.

[dannycater]

Breslow has been nothing but brilliant in his moves so far...can't think of a team in a better position than the 2024 Boston Red Sox...Go Sox!

[moonslav59]

The plan seems obvious to me. Maybe a little toooo obvious. Hmmm.

 

That said:

 

Step 1: Sign Teoscar Hernandez to play RF, which then allows Breslow to:

Step 2: Trade Jarren Duran for a SP. Most likely to Cleveland or Miami. Once this happens, the Sox can:

Step 3: Trade Nick Pivetta (or Kutter Crawford?) for a 2b. Moving a pitcher at this point becomes necessary due to so few having options. A Pivetta/Jorge Polanco swap with Minnesota makes so much sense for both teams, the only thing obviously holding it up is steps 1 and 2.

 

At that point, catcher is the biggest remaining question mark.

 

SP: Sale, Giolito, Bello, Crawford, Acquisition

BP: Jansen, Martin, Schreiber, Winckowski, Houck, Whitlock, Bernardino, Mata, Slaten (Wincky might have to start in Worcester if everyone is healthy).

 

C: Wong

1b: Casas

2b: Polanco

3b: Devers

SS: Story

LF: O’Neil

CF: Rafaela

RF: Hernandez

DH: Yoshida

 

BN: McGuire, Refsnyder, Reyes, Valdez(?)

 

Are you sure Teoscar is better than O’Neill in RF on D?

[dgalehouse]

Giolito has been in MLB for eight years. His won/loss record is 61-62. Career ERA of 4.43. The first impression is that he is a typical ham and egger. However, he is a big, hard throwing right hander who can strike guys out. He has been very good at times. One All Star selection. He could well prove to be an asset.

[MADSTORK]

Giolito has been in MLB for eight years. His won/loss record is 61-62. Career ERA of 4.43. The first impression is that he is a typical ham and egger. However, he is a big, hard throwing right hander who can strike guys out. He has been very good at times. One All Star selection. He could well prove to be an asset.

 

Lmao!

 

Garbage

[moonslav59]

Montas to Cincy. The best remaining longshot is off the board…

 

But, but, but what about Paxton.

 

Maybe we sign Stroman or Imanaga.

[harmony]

Montas to Cincy. The best remaining longshot is off the board…

Ten years have passed since the Red Sox traded Frankie Montas and others in a three-team trade for Jake Peavy and Brayan Villarreal:

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/montafr02.shtml#all_transactions_other

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

 

Maybe we sign Stroman or Imanaga.

 

Just sign both, then we'll have our rotation (Sale -- no matter how much we paid him, and how great he was in '17/18 -- was never going to take a regular turn as a Boston starter again; brittle tissue doesn't get supple with age).

 

Stroman, Bello, Imanaga, Giolito, Crawford... with Pivetta key Bulk Guy/Swingman. All the rest are in the bullpen, including Whitlock/Houck at the back end, to replace Jansen/Martin when they're traded for pitching prospects.

[Dipre]

Sox pitching system is a reclamation project in and of itself.

You said what I meant to say much more eloquently

[dannycater]

I've never been more excited about Red Sox baseball in the last 5 years than today.

[Bellhorn04]

I've never been more excited about Red Sox baseball in the last 5 years than today.

 

The last genuinely exciting move by the Sox was when they signed JD Martinez.

[dannycater]

don't disagree....I was pumped when Schwarber was acquired, thinking maybe they would actually re-sign him.

[Old Red]

The last genuinely exciting move by the Sox was when they signed JD Martinez.

 

I guess Story, and Yoshida didn’t do it for you.

[dannycater]

Story right up there worse than Panda...horrible signing....Crawford..that one was one for the ages...as in bad.