A Realistic View at 2024: Part I

[moonslav59]

Let's start naming catchers and see who peaked after 28.

 

Tek - yes

Tony Pena - no

Sandy Alomar Jr - no

Yadier Molina - yes

David Ross - no

Rich Gedman - no

Russell Martin - no

Salvador Perez - no

Posada - yes

Posey - no

Mauer - no

Benito Santiago - no

Ivan Rodriguez - no

Brian McCann - no

Piazza - no

Wilson Ramos - no

Martin Maldonado - no

Realmuto - yes

Grandal - no

Christian Vazquez - no

 

I was only talking about peaking, defensively after age 28. When you factor in dWAR or DRS per innings at catcher, I'm not so sure all your "no" designations are correct. Plus, many of these metrics do not count how well veteran catchers get the best out of their staffs.

 

Just looking at a few dWAR stats for some on your list:

 

D Ross: best dWAR was at age 39, 2nd best 32, 3rd best 38, 4th best 30, and all top 10 were at ages 29 and older.

 

IRod's top 4 dWARs were all under 28, but he did have a dWAR or 1.8 at age 29, in year where he played in 30-40 less games. His 1.6 at age 36 was in just 82 games, and would have been top 3, pro-rated.

 

Tony Pena's top 4 were at ages 27, 28, 25 and 29, and 5 of his top 8 dWARs were at 28 or older. His 0.7 at age 39 in just 67 games would pro-rate to top 4-5, career.

 

Alomar: 5 of his top 6 dWAR seasons were at 28 or older.

 

Posada sucked on D, but 7 of his top 8 were 28 or older. The other was at age 27.

 

I only checked these guys.

[Randy Red Sox]

I'd trade Mayer before I'd trade Anthony or Teel.

 

i wouldn't trade any of them

[notin]

So the Blue Jays and Angels have joined the Red Sox in saying - not adding significant money without dealing some away. The new addresses for Snell, Monthomery, Bellinger and Chapman are getting more limited daily…

[mvp 78]

i wouldn't trade any of them

 

And now that Mayer is starting to fall in the rankings, the return won't be as good.

[mvp 78]

So the Blue Jays and Angels have joined the Red Sox in saying - not adding significant money without dealing some away. The new addresses for Snell, Monthomery, Bellinger and Chapman are getting more limited daily…

 

Now that the O's are facing uncertainty in the rotation, do they make a move?

[notin]

Now that the O's are facing uncertainty in the rotation, do they make a move?

 

Good question. Also would signing Snell or Montgomery make it more difficult to extend Burnes?

[moonslav59]

i wouldn't trade any of them

 

As long as we are not trying to actively win, I agree.

[Hugh2]

And now that Mayer is starting to fall in the rankings, the return won't be as good.

 

 

We should have sold high on him, this is EXACTLY why we should trade Anthony and Teel right now.

[dgalehouse]

Mayer probably needs to break the Mendoza line in AA before he gets put in the untouchable category.

[mvp 78]

We should have sold high on him, this is EXACTLY why we should trade Anthony and Teel right now.

 

I'm going to drive to your house tonight to give you a wedgie.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

We should have sold high on him, this is EXACTLY why we should trade Anthony and Teel right now.

 

Push them OUT the door -- before they bump their heads on the ceiling!

 

In houses built for the size of people who could fit in the original seats in Fenway Park -- which are still there...

 

Squeeze, Car-o-line

Good seats never felt so g-

so ga

so gaaah

[notin]

Mayer probably needs to break the Mendoza line in AA before he gets put in the untouchable category.

 

So… sell low on him?

[Tedballgame]

As long as we are not trying to actively win, I agree.

 

Sox should not trade any of their top prospects under the current circumstances. The only way they should is if they are getting a young, controllable, star, a la Pedro for

Tony Armas Jr. and Carl Pavano.

[moonslav59]

Sox should not trade any of their top prospects under the current circumstances. The only way they should is if they are getting a young, controllable, star, a la Pedro for

Tony Armas Jr. and Carl Pavano.

 

If the trade is for someone under team control for more years than the rebuild takes, maybe.

[sk7326]

Mayer probably needs to break the Mendoza line in AA before he gets put in the untouchable category.

 

He needs to show he can just get through a season healthy. He was awful in AA last year, but he also showed up with a shoulder injury and was one of the youngest regulars in all of AA. I mean for as lost a season as it was last year, he is still a Top 25 prospect in the bigs.

[sk7326]

Sox should not trade any of their top prospects under the current circumstances. The only way they should is if they are getting a young, controllable, star, a la Pedro for

Tony Armas Jr. and Carl Pavano.

 

I actually agree with management that you need to give the kids a runway to take big league spots. Now, the not spending on the rotation is a different deal.

[notin]

He needs to show he can just get through a season healthy. He was awful in AA last year, but he also showed up with a shoulder injury and was one of the youngest regulars in all of AA. I mean for as lost a season as it was last year, he is still a Top 25 prospect in the bigs.

 

 

Depends who you ask. Fangraphs dropped him down to #69.

 

I’m still not worried. Struggling in 100+ PA in AA Ball at age 20 while injured? That’s not a recipe for failure…

[Randy Red Sox]

As long as we are not trying to actively win, I agree.

 

that should be pretty evident by now isn't it?

[moonslav59]

that should be pretty evident by now isn't it?

 

Yes. I'd only trade prospects, now if it is for a young pitcher with 4+ years of gteam control. Even then, it might be better to wait, until we start trying, again.

[moonslav59]

With Schreiber gone, we have an open slot of the 40. I wonder, if a signing or trade is pending.

 

Here is how I see the opening day 13 man staff, as of right now:

 

S1: Giolito

S2: Bello

S3: Pivetta

S4: Crawford

S5: Houck

 

CL: Jansen

R2: Martin

R3: Whitlock

R4: Winckowski

R5: Bernardino

R6: Campbell

R7: Slaten (Rule 5 restrictions)

R8: Mata (out of options)

 

Minor League depth:

SP: Fitts, Walter, Murphy, Gambrell (Wikelman)

RP: Criswell, Weissert, Guerrero, Kelly, German (Hoppe, Benitez, Olivares)

 

We really need to add a solid SP'er.

[notin]

With Schreiber gone, we have an open slot of the 40. I wonder, if a signing or trade is pending.

 

Here is how I see the opening day 13 man staff, as of right now:

 

S1: Giolito

S2: Bello

S3: Pivetta

S4: Crawford

S5: Houck

 

CL: Jansen

R2: Martin

R3: Whitlock

R4: Winckowski

R5: Bernardino

R6: Campbell

R7: Slaten (Rule 5 restrictions)

R8: Mata (out of options)

 

Minor League depth:

SP: Fitts, Walter, Murphy, Gambrell (Wikelman)

RP: Criswell, Weissert, Guerrero, Kelly, German (Hoppe, Benitez, Olivares)

 

We really need to add a solid SP'er.

 

Sign Bauer and Montgomery (or Clevinger). DFA Jacques…

[moonslav59]

Sign Bauer and Montgomery (or Clevinger). DFA Jacques…

 

Bauer and Clevinger would still keep their budget less than 2023's.

[Randy Red Sox]

Schreiber deal shaves close to another 1.2 million off the payroll. Scrooge Henry should be very happy today

[moonslav59]

Schreiber deal shaves close to another 1.2 million off the payroll. Scrooge Henry should be very happy today

 

No, it doesn't.

 

His 1.2M will be replaced by $720K, min. That's less than $500K saved.

[dgalehouse]

I have never heard of Sandlin , but Breslow must see something in him. Schreiber is not a big loss although he can be tough on right hand hitters. Looks like K.C. is trying to be a contender in the relatively weak A.L. Central. As for the Sox, who knows ?

[Randy Red Sox]

No, it doesn't.

 

His 1.2M will be replaced by $720K, min. That's less than $500K saved.

 

i thought Sandlin doesn't require a 40 man spot so does he count against the cap?

[Larry Cook]

Bauer and Clevinger would still keep their budget less than 2023's.

 

One of the writers was speculating that the budget was reduced from 225 million to 200 million for 2024!

[Nick]

With Schreiber gone, we have an open slot of the 40. I wonder, if a signing or trade is pending.

 

Here is how I see the opening day 13 man staff, as of right now:

 

S1: Giolito

S2: Bello

S3: Pivetta

S4: Crawford

S5: Houck

 

CL: Jansen

R2: Martin

R3: Whitlock

R4: Winckowski

R5: Bernardino

R6: Campbell

R7: Slaten (Rule 5 restrictions)

R8: Mata (out of options)

 

Minor League depth:

SP: Fitts, Walter, Murphy, Gambrell (Wikelman)

RP: Criswell, Weissert, Guerrero, Kelly, German (Hoppe, Benitez, Olivares)

 

We really need to add a solid SP'er.

 

Obviously Shreiber trade was to make room for both Mata and Slaten to make the team.

 

I like the move. It's pretty obvious what the road map is going forward.

We received team controlled pitcher in exchange who is a hard thrower and has some upside.

 

Bres is trading out mediocre pitchers for younger talent. We can survive Schreiber's departure.

[Nick]

I have never heard of Sandlin , but Breslow must see something in him. Schreiber is not a big loss although he can be tough on right hand hitters. Looks like K.C. is trying to be a contender in the relatively weak A.L. Central. As for the Sox, who knows ?

 

It was all about creating space on the opening roster.

[moonslav59]

i thought Sandlin doesn't require a 40 man spot so does he count against the cap?

 

Someone automatically takes his place at $720M minimum.

 

You can't have a 39 man roster, all year.