A Realistic View at 2024: Part I

[moonslav59]

Bernardino…

 

Yes!

 

He has an option, so we have more AAA depth.

[moonslav59]

If we sign a starter, we risk losing one of your top 13!

 

Maybe bres-slow is working on a trade. Houck or Crawford and Duran and Valdez is a nice start. Yorke and Mayer are fine additions!! Hello cease?? Or hello Cabrera????

 

Ps: what happened to the barracini guy?

 

I’m not sure Mata has trade value as he might not be good enough to make a team’s 26, but he’d be the one to trade, first- or DFA. Slaten could be sent back or we trade someone to his old team, which would allow us to put him in AAA.

 

I could see including Crawford, Houck, Whitlock or Schreiber/Wink as part of a package for a very good SPer.

[notin]

I’m not sure Mata has trade value as he might not be good enough to make a team’s 26, but he’d be the one to trade, first- or DFA. Slaten could be sent back or we trade someone to his old team, which would allow us to put him in AAA.

 

I could see including Crawford, Houck, Whitlock or Schreiber/Wink as part of a package for a very good SPer.

 

 

The trade should be done…

[Hugh2]

If we sign a starter, we risk losing one of your top 13!

 

Maybe bres-slow is working on a trade. Houck or Crawford and Duran and Valdez is a nice start. Yorke and Mayer are fine additions!! Hello cease?? Or hello Cabrera????

 

Ps: what happened to the barracini guy?

 

 

Barracini????

[notin]

Barracini????

 

Aren’t those the little hot peppers at the salad bar?

[moonslav59]

The trade should be done…

 

Only if he needs to be in AAA, or someone else looks way more deserving of the 26.

[moonslav59]

Barracini????

 

I’m guessing Bernardino.

[moonslav59]

Aren’t those the little hot peppers at the salad bar?

 

lol!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Barracini????

 

Young barracuda (college age, all legal)... coveted by a coverband called Heartburn.

[Randy Red Sox]

there is an article up on MLBTR today suggesting the Sox are looking to shed even more payroll.

[moonslav59]

there is an article up on MLBTR today suggesting the Sox are looking to shed even more payroll.

 

… and not so we can sign Monty and Snell!

[notin]

… and not so we can sign Monty and Snell!

 

Actually it does indicate moves like that are the reason why.

 

Of course the bulk of that article is speculation. Believable speculation, but still speculation…

[moonslav59]

Actually it does indicate moves like that are the reason why.

 

Of course the bulk of that article is speculation. Believable speculation, but still speculation…

 

I just don’t see us signing Monty.

 

Snell is likely to get more somewhere else.

[Randy Red Sox]

I just don’t see us signing Monty.

 

Snell is likely to get more somewhere else.

 

I can't find the post where you credit me for being right about yorke { not really} but when a prospect rated over 100 spots lower it is not rocket science to say it is a bad selection but at the time it seemed everyone was on the Bloom train and couldn't see the forest for the trees. they justified the pick since it apparently got us the home run derby champ Blaze Jordan who has also fizzled out. you may want to go over the 1st rd picks that year and see the P prospects chosen after Yorke. For just 1 example how would Bobby Miller { #29 overall to LA} look in our rotation right now? There are others too although not as impressive as Miller.

Edited December 31, 2023 by Randy Red Sox

[notin]

I can't find the post where you credit me for being right about yorke { not really} but when a prospect rated over 100 spots lower it is not rocket science to say it is a bad selection but at the time it seemed everyone was on the Bloom train and couldn't see the forest for the trees. they justified the pick since it apparently got us the home run derby champ Blaze Jordan who has also fizzled out. you may want to go over the 1st rd picks that year and see the P prospects chosen after Yorke. For just 1 example how would Bobby Miller { #29 overall to LA} look in our rotation right now? There are others too although not as impressive as Miller.

 

Yorke is 21 and slated for AAA, where he will be one of the youngest players in the league. Yes players drafted behind him have debuted, although many of them are older as well. And 7 of the 16 players chosen ahead of Yorke have yet to debut.

 

How about seeing how Yorke actually does before labeling him a bust because you liked a player chosen later better? And you didn’t even pick the right pitcher!! Spencer Strider was the clear miss every team made multiple times.

 

As for Miller, ok how would he look in the Sox rotation right now? Is he better than Bello and Crawford are today?

[Randy Red Sox]

Yorke is 21 and slated for AAA, where he will be one of the youngest players in the league. Yes players drafted behind him have debuted, although many of them are older as well. And 7 of the 16 players chosen ahead of Yorke have yet to debut.

 

How about seeing how Yorke actually does before labeling him a bust because you liked a player chosen later better? And you didn’t even pick the right pitcher!! Spencer Strider was the clear miss every team made multiple times.

 

As for Miller, ok how would he look in the Sox rotation right now? Is he better than Bello and Crawford are today?

 

how he compare to those is not the issue. how he compares to Yorke is the issue but yes i would rate him above Crawford for sure and t least on a par with Bello who you recall was a DD guy. Just like Graterol was the guy we should have taken in the Mookie deal not the immortal Jeter Downs. And finally if the Sox were still as high on Yorke as you are then why this Sale trade for a 2B?

[notin]

how he compare to those is not the issue. how he compares to Yorke is the issue but yes i would rate him above Crawford for sure and t least on a par with Bello who you recall was a DD guy. Just like Graterol was the guy we should have taken in the Mookie deal not the immortal Jeter Downs. And finally if the Sox were still as high on Yorke as you are then why this Sale trade for a 2B?

 

 

You asked how he would look in the rotation. Based on last year, he’d be behind Crawford. Miller is significantly younger, however.

 

But assessing one draft pick based on later picks bring better is foolish, since you can make nearly every draft pick look bad that way.

 

And if you’re trying to argue Miller was obviously better, bear in mind 12 more teams passed on him after Boston did. The 2023 Bobby Miller might not have been so evident in 2020.

 

As for the Sale trade, it doesn’t impact Yorke at all. He was not going to start in Boston in 2024. He’s stil going to be one of the youngest starters in AAA this year, and he might still play in Boston or become an attractive trade chip to help elsewhere. If Yorke was the bust you keep claiming he is, he’s not a very good one, because he keeps climbing the minor league ladder…

Edited December 31, 2023 by notin

[Randy Red Sox]

You asked how he would look in the rotation. Based on last year, he’d be behind Crawford. Miller is significantly younger, however.

 

But assessing one draft pick based on later picks bring better is foolish, since you can make nearly every draft pick look bad that way.

 

And if you’re trying to argue Miller was obviously better, bear in mind 12 more teams passed on him after Boston did. The 2023 Bobby Miller might not have been so evident in 2020.

 

As for the Sale trade, it doesn’t impact Yorke at all. He was not going to start in Boston in 2024. He’s stil going to be one of the youngest starters in AAA this year, and he might still play in Boston or become an attractive trade chip to help elsewhere. If Yorke was the bust you keep claiming he is, he’s not a very good one, because he keeps climbing the minor league ladder…

 

if Yorke was in the long range plans of the team they would not have needed to add another top prospect 2B. Make no mistake the Sox are shopping Story too although he will be hard to move and the Sox will need to pay a big chunk of the $$ left on him. The team is continuing to shed payroll in favour of young controllable players. Janssen and Martin are also on the block.

[moonslav59]

I can't find the post where you credit me for being right about yorke { not really} but when a prospect rated over 100 spots lower it is not rocket science to say it is a bad selection but at the time it seemed everyone was on the Bloom train and couldn't see the forest for the trees. they justified the pick since it apparently got us the home run derby champ Blaze Jordan who has also fizzled out. you may want to go over the 1st rd picks that year and see the P prospects chosen after Yorke. For just 1 example how would Bobby Miller { #29 overall to LA} look in our rotation right now? There are others too although not as impressive as Miller.

 

I’m saying it now. If Yorke turns into a bust, like half our 1st picks have done for decades, kudos to you for being right.

 

I’m not sure why this one bust, if he ends up being one, is so much more important than the 20 others. Is it because you called it?

 

If the guy turns into a bust, I won’t lose a wink of sleep. Nobody has gushed over this kid in years. What’s the big deal?

 

ENOUGH! As some wise poster said recently.

 

lol

 

[Randy Red Sox]

I’m saying it now. If Yorke turns into a bust, like half our 1st picks have done for decades, kudos to you for being right.

 

I’m not sure why this one bust, if he ends up being one, is so much more important than the 20 others. Is it because you called it?

 

If the guy turns into a bust, I won’t lose a wink of sleep. Nobody has gushed over this kid in years. What’s the big deal?

 

ENOUGH! As some wise poster said recently.

 

lol

 

Sox had a chance to add a decent SP in this draft and blew it by taking a guy ranked at least a 100 slots below where he was picked. Bloom had another chance { Graterol} to add quality P and blew it as well as another 1st rd pick or 2 in the upper 1st rd where he continued to take nothing but shortstops. Now Breslow is trying desperately to trade for a young quality SP with several years of team control to fit in with "Henry's MANDATED plan to build through the farm.

[moonslav59]

I’m saying it now. If Yorke turns into a bust, like half our 1st picks have done for decades, kudos to you for being right.

 

I’m not sure why this one bust, if he ends up being one, is so much more important than the 20 others. Is it because you called it?

 

If the guy turns into a bust, I won’t lose a wink of sleep. Nobody has gushed over this kid in years. What’s the big deal?

 

ENOUGH! As some wise poster said recently.

 

lol

 

Sox had a chance to add a decent SP in this draft and blew it by taking a guy ranked at least a 100 slots below where he was picked. Bloom had another chance { Graterol} to add quality P and blew it as well as another 1st rd pick or 2 in the upper 1st rd where he continued to take nothing but shortstops. Now Breslow is trying desperately to trade for a young quality SP with several years of team control to fit in with "Henry's MANDATED plan to build through the farm.

 

We’ve made many bad moves and picks, and our pitcher development has sucked for about a decade.

 

Sometimes drafting under slot players works well- sometimes not.

 

Overall, I think our drafting has been a plus under Bloom, but it’s speculation, and he swung and missed on some higher picks, like every team does.

 

I think we’ve hashed over the drafting of the best player vs a pitcher to death, hence my mimicing ENOUGH.

 

I respect your view but have no problems with some swings and misses on many decisions.

 

It has been my belief that one reason we draft surer bets, which are mostly non pitchers, is that we’d trade some of them for pitching. We haven’t done that much at all.

 

Beni was not a prospect when traded for Wink.

Pivetta was not a prospect when we traded for him and Seabold (who bombed.)

 

I’m with you on it being the time to trade some everyday prospects for s young and controlled pitcher. Hell, add Yorke to the package!!!

 

[moonslav59]

Coming back stateside tomorrow morning. Had a blast in Mexico!

 

Happy New Year to one and all!

[moonslav59]

I’m saying it now. If Yorke turns into a bust, like half our 1st picks have done for decades, kudos to you for being right.

 

I’m not sure why this one bust, if he ends up being one, is so much more important than the 20 others. Is it because you called it?

 

If the guy turns into a bust, I won’t lose a wink of sleep. Nobody has gushed over this kid in years. What’s the big deal?

 

ENOUGH! As some wise poster said recently.

 

lol

 

Sox had a chance to add a decent SP in this draft and blew it by taking a guy ranked at least a 100 slots below where he was picked. Bloom had another chance { Graterol} to add quality P and blew it as well as another 1st rd pick or 2 in the upper 1st rd where he continued to take nothing but shortstops. Now Breslow is trying desperately to trade for a young quality SP with several years of team control to fit in with "Henry's MANDATED plan to build through the farm.

 

BTW, I love the Teel pick, and we paid the next two picks over slot.

 

I’m sure, in a few years we can look back and say what if?

 

Who would you take this next draft?

[oldtimer]

Coming back stateside tomorrow morning. Had a blast in Mexico!

 

Happy New Year to one and all!

 

Happy New Year to you as well and to the others on the site, and have a safe return flight.

 

My only negative to the Sale trade is based on the rumor that we could have given him away at full salary the year before but Bloom was indecisive. If so, we would have saved two years of $27.5 mil and perhaps applied that to a solid starter. Bloom is gone now and we have a guy that is making moves. Lets hope he is clearing payroll space to take on a quality starter. It may take shaking up the outfield and or relief pitching, or other prospects. I'll give Breslow some freedom from criticism, at least until opening day, to see what our team looks like.

[Randy Red Sox]

 

BTW, I love the Teel pick, and we paid the next two picks over slot.

 

I’m sure, in a few years we can look back and say what if?

 

Who would you take this next draft?

 

the best starting pitcher available and NOT a HS guy. And yes I liked the Teel pick. It has not been mentioned on here much but the Sox have about as much C depth as they do P depth. Sox need an upgrade at C at the MLB level too.

[Dipre]

The Sox' catching tandem is good enough. What they need to focus on is entirely SP.

[Randy Red Sox]

The Sox' catching tandem is good enough. What they need to focus on is entirely SP.

 

I agree we need to focus on SP but NO the C position is not good enough. Hopefully Teel will be ready sooner rather than later

[moonslav59]

Happy New Year to you as well and to the others on the site, and have a safe return flight.

 

My only negative to the Sale trade is based on the rumor that we could have given him away at full salary the year before but Bloom was indecisive. If so, we would have saved two years of $27.5 mil and perhaps applied that to a solid starter. Bloom is gone now and we have a guy that is making moves. Lets hope he is clearing payroll space to take on a quality starter. It may take shaking up the outfield and or relief pitching, or other prospects. I'll give Breslow some freedom from criticism, at least until opening day, to see what our team looks like.

 

Unless we spend all the Sale money, I'd rather have Grissom.

 

We haven't always spent what we cut from player payrolls.

[moonslav59]

 

the best starting pitcher available and NOT a HS guy. And yes I liked the Teel pick. It has not been mentioned on here much but the Sox have about as much C depth as they do P depth. Sox need an upgrade at C at the MLB level too.

 

We'll wait until the next draft, and you can tell us who we should have taken, and then we'll see.

 

(I'm not trying to bust your balls. I'd like to see us draft a good pitchers, too. It's just hard to get those picks right- for almost any team.

[moonslav59]

The Sox' catching tandem is good enough. What they need to focus on is entirely SP.

 

That's not a good way to approach a draft.