A Realistic View at 2024: Part I

[Hugh2]

People are underestimating how expensive Yamamoto will be to the Mets. He could cost Cohen close $700 million when it’s all said and done with the posting fees and all the taxes

[moonslav59]

People are underestimating how expensive Yamamoto will be to the Mets. He could cost Cohen close $700 million when it’s all said and done with the posting fees and all the taxes

 

$700M?

 

How do you figure that?

[notin]

$700M?

 

How do you figure that?

 

He’s using yen again. It converts to about $5mill USD. Or one years rent for a studio apartment on the upper west side…

[Hugh2]

He’s using yen again. It converts to about $5mill USD. Or one years rent for a studio apartment on the upper west side…

 

Every penny the Mets spend now has every surcharge on it. That plus posting fees.

 

Henry can’t match Cohene budget, but he doesn’t have too.

[Larry Cook]

Every penny the Mets spend now has every surcharge on it. That plus posting fees.

 

Henry can’t match Cohene budget, but he doesn’t have too.

 

Can any owner in baseball even come close to matching cohen????

Cohen paid 120 million for mucks scream painting. The man had no limits

[jad]

Don't the RS have to do more than 'match' other offers? Since the way they have treated players and their usual cellar finishes don't really offer any incentive other than money. (It wasn't this waay as little as 5 years ago).

[moonslav59]

Don't the RS have to do more than 'match' other offers? Since the way they have treated players and their usual cellar finishes don't really offer any incentive other than money. (It wasn't this waay as little as 5 years ago).

 

What have the Mets, Yanks and Giants done in the last 5 years?

 

While the Yanks have won more than us, they showed significant decline, last year.

 

The Mets, Giants and Sox are pretty much bunched up in wins over 5 years.

 

Choose 6 years, and it looks different:

Wins

509 NYY (no rings/ 1 ALCS loss)

464 BOS (1 ring/ 1 ALCS loss)

446 SFG (no rings/no NLCS appearances)

442 NYM (no rings/no NLCS appearances)

 

Choose last 3 years:

273 NYY -no ALCS appearances

267 SFG -no NLCS appearances

253 NYM -no NLCS appearances

248 BOS -1 ALCS loss

 

Looks pretty close, to me.

[jad]

What have the Mets, Yanks and Giants done in the last 5 years?

 

While the Yanks have won more than us, they showed significant decline, last year.

 

The Mets, Giants and Sox are pretty much bunched up in wins over 5 years.

 

Choose 6 years, and it looks different:

Wins

509 NYY (no rings/ 1 ALCS loss)

464 BOS (1 ring/ 1 ALCS loss)

446 SFG (no rings/no NLCS appearances)

442 NYM (no rings/no NLCS appearances)

 

Choose last 3 years:

273 NYY -no ALCS appearances

267 SFG -no NLCS appearances

253 NYM -no NLCS appearances

248 BOS -1 ALCS loss

 

Looks pretty close, to me.

 

I'm not saaying there aren't other crappy organizations w/ nothing to offer besides money. I'm just saying the RS, incredibly, have become one of them.

[moonslav59]

I'm not saaying there aren't other crappy organizations w/ nothing to offer besides money. I'm just saying the RS, incredibly, have become one of them.

 

I was speaking to the Yamo choice that seems to come down to 4 teams that all look pretty similar, in that respect.

 

I also think the idea that many players do not want to play wit the Sox is overblown. There are many examples of players who signed with us, and even Nate came back after the TEX offer, hoping we'd take him back. If anyone should know about the Sox and "winning organizations," it would be him.

[notin]

Can any owner in baseball even come close to matching cohen????

Cohen paid 120 million for mucks scream painting. The man had no limits

 

Edward Munch?

[notin]

I'm not saaying there aren't other crappy organizations w/ nothing to offer besides money. I'm just saying the RS, incredibly, have become one of them.

 

What did they offer before?

[notin]

I was speaking to the Yamo choice that seems to come down to 4 teams that all look pretty similar, in that respect.

 

I also think the idea that many players do not want to play wit the Sox is overblown. There are many examples of players who signed with us, and even Nate came back after the TEX offer, hoping we'd take him back. If anyone should know about the Sox and "winning organizations," it would be him.

 

 

Really the only guy who spurned the Sox in the past couple years was Eflin, and that was because he wanted to go home…

[moonslav59]

Really the only guy who spurned the Sox in the past couple years was Eflin, and that was because he wanted to go home…

 

Indeed. Our problem has been not offering top dollar for the better FAs, not free agents saying no to us.

[moonslav59]

Assume we add a SP1, SP3, and 2Bman: I know big assumption, I see the 26 and 40 like this:

 

SP1

Bello

SP3

Sale

Pivetta (Maybe Crawford)

 

Jansen

Martin

Winckowski

Schreiber

Crawford

Houck

Whitlock

Slaten (Rule 5)/ Mata (out of options) Trade, return or DFA the other

 

Wong

McGuire

Casas

2Bman

Reyes

EValdez

Story

Devers

Yoshida

Refsnyder

Duran

Rafaela

O'Neill

 

The other 14: (Blue= should see key time in MLB)

Murphy, Walter, Wikelman, Perales

Campbell, Bernardino, Criswell, Kelly, Weissert

2 from Weiss, Llovera & Jacques

Abreu

DHam

Dalbec

 

Edited December 18, 2023 by moonslav59

[jad]

What did they offer before?

 

Oh, nothing much. Championships. Winning culture. Superstars. Daily sell-outs. Things like that. (Although as I noted before, none of that is as important to athletes as the money; so maybe being a crappy team doesn't matter!)

Edited December 18, 2023 by jad

[Larry Cook]

Edward Munch?

 

Yes. Cohen has one of the three versions now

[Larry Cook]

Assume we add a SP1, SP3, and 2Bman: I know big assumption, I see the 26 and 40 like this:

 

SP1

Bello

SP3

Sale

Pivetta (Maybe Crawford)

 

Jansen

Martin

Winckowski

Schreiber

Crawford

Houck

Whitlock

Slaten (Rule 5)/ Mata (out of options) Trade, return or DFA the other

 

Wong

McGuire

Casas

2Bman

Reyes

EValdez

Story

Devers

Yoshida

Refsnyder

Duran

Rafaela

O'Neill

 

The other 14: (Blue= should see key time in MLB)

Murphy, Walter, Wikelman, Perales

Campbell, Bernardino, Criswell, Kelly, Weissert

2 from Weiss, Llovera & Jacques

Abreu

DHam

Dalbec

 

 

If we have to resort to a trade for a starter, I think we hit some assets like houck or wincowski plus minor leaguers yo get the trade made

[moonslav59]

If we have to resort to a trade for a starter, I think we hit some assets like houck or wincowski plus minor leaguers yo get the trade made

 

I think we sign Monty and trade for another SP'er and 2Bman. They may take on salary to ease the return needed in trade, as we can spend quite a bit without going over the first or second tax line.

 

We may sign Monty and Merrifield and trade for a SP.

 

Maybe we sign Monty & Stroman and trade for 2B.

 

All kinds of options, but I hope we concentrate almost all our resources on just 2 slots, so we get some real quality.

[cp176]

Oh, nothing much. Championships. Winning culture. Superstars. Daily sell-outs. Things like that. (Although as I noted before, none of that is as important to athletes as the money; so maybe being a crappy team doesn't matter!)

 

Wait - you mean like me you might be one of those delusional fans who actually thinks that the best baseball players in the world might consider other things like these when entering free agency?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

It was Breslow who encouraged Yamamoto to request second meetings with the New Yorkers, after he assured him that the Red Sox would beat any offer. It was the least Boston could do to help YY make a final decision -- a goodwill display of the utmost respect for our future ace.

 

I just made that whole thing up, but it may be our best hope for getting back into contention in 2024... that is, if this guy really is the goods.

 

Most realists see the free agent consolation prizes as pieces towards stability, but -- barring trades and prospect capital -- are there any real available difference-makers out there? For regulars, no one is even as consistent all-around as Bogaerts (when he hit the market a year ago). Bellinger reduced his K-rate immensely in '23, but isn't he also the position player version of up-and-down Snell on the mound -- too risky to commit to longterm?

[notin]

Oh, nothing much. Championships. Winning culture. Superstars. Daily sell-outs. Things like that. (Although as I noted before, none of that is as important to athletes as the money; so maybe being a crappy team doesn't matter!)

 

And you really think that attracted better players?

[Bellhorn04]

It was Breslow who encouraged Yamamoto to request second meetings with the New Yorkers, after he assured him that the Red Sox would beat any offer.

 

Moto's reported response to Breslow: "Yeah, that's what they all say."

[notin]

It was Breslow who encouraged Yamamoto to request second meetings with the New Yorkers, after he assured him that the Red Sox would beat any offer. It was the least Boston could do to help YY make a final decision -- a goodwill display of the utmost respect for our future ace.

 

I just made that whole thing up, but it may be our best hope for getting back into contention in 2024... that is, if this guy really is the goods.

 

Most realists see the free agent consolation prizes as pieces towards stability, but -- barring trades and prospect capital -- are there any real available difference-makers out there? For regulars, no one is even as consistent all-around as Bogaerts (when he hit the market a year ago). Bellinger reduced his K-rate immensely in '23, but isn't he also the position player version of up-and-down Snell on the mound -- too risky to commit to longterm?

 

If the Sox don’t get Yamamoto, the logical pivots are Snell, Montgomery, and Burnes…

[notin]

Moto's reported response to Breslow: "Yeah, that's what they all say."

 

Apparently he’s got his American colloquialisms down pat already…

[notin]

Wait - you mean like me you might be one of those delusional fans who actually thinks that the best baseball players in the world might consider other things like these when entering free agency?

 

Why else would Jacob deGrom have signed with the 68-94 Rangers?

[Bellhorn04]

Why else would Jacob deGrom have signed with the 68-94 Rangers?

 

Because he's a redneck!

[mvp 78]

What did they offer before?

 

The mystique of playing in front of unwashed masses of pink hats. Now it's just corporate tickets that are handed out to anyone that got the booby prize in the holiday musical chairs game.

[mvp 78]

Oh, nothing much. Championships. Winning culture. Superstars. Daily sell-outs. Things like that. (Although as I noted before, none of that is as important to athletes as the money; so maybe being a crappy team doesn't matter!)

 

That stuff doesn't go away after two 78 win seasons.

[mvp 78]

If we have to resort to a trade for a starter, I think we hit some assets like houck or wincowski plus minor leaguers yo get the trade made

 

Resort? That could be the optimal way to do it considering the cost on the FA market.

[mvp 78]

Why else would Jacob deGrom have signed with the 68-94 Rangers?

 

It's always the money.