A Realistic View at 2024: Part I

[notin]

I'd be happy with that, but we'd be under the cap by enough to get a 2Bman. Why not?

 

(Maybe include EValdez in a trade.)

 

Getting a 2b shouldn’t be such the hamstring. Not ever sure why hitting LHP is the priority. Just get someone who can field the position. His 3-4 PA in the 40ish games the Sox face a LHSP isn’t likely to have the same impact as the 600-700 chances a full time 2b can see in the field.

 

I’m ok with defense and moderate offense from either side. But a 2b who can field and slugs from the left side (Jake Cronenworth, for example) shouldn’t be eliminated from consideration…

[notin]

I'm doubly cursed because Corbin Burnes also makes me think of LA Law...

 

And not Major League?

[Bellhorn04]

And not Major League?

 

Never seen it.

[moonslav59]

I have mixed emotions on acquiring Montgomery and Burnes. And all of them are based on how many Simpsons’ references I think I can handle…

 

Montgomery & Barnes would be a Homer.

[moonslav59]

Getting a 2b shouldn’t be such the hamstring. Not ever sure why hitting LHP is the priority. Just get someone who can field the position. His 3-4 PA in the 40ish games the Sox face a LHSP isn’t likely to have the same impact as the 600-700 chances a full time 2b can see in the field.

 

I’m ok with defense and moderate offense from either side. But a 2b who can field and slugs from the left side (Jake Cronenworth, for example) shouldn’t be eliminated from consideration…

 

Defense is the given.

 

I didn't think it needed to be stated.

 

Our bats are lefty heavy. I'd prefer a RH'd bat with some power, if possible.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Montgomery & Barnes would be a Homer.

 

Unless they're pitching to Bart (a catcher definitely available, after losing his job to a rookie on the team where the Sox recruited their new pitching coach).

[notin]

Unless they're pitching to Bart (a catcher definitely available, after losing his job to a rookie on the team where the Sox recruited their new pitching coach).

 

It would have to be Bart since the Sox already lost out on Tom “Bleeding Gums” Murphy…

[notin]

Never seen it.

 

It’s overrated.

 

I’m pretty sure the movie was pitched by someone saying “I’m thinking ‘Bull Durham,’ but, and here’s the twist, in the majors!”

[Dipre]

Monty and Burnes with an extension.

 

The Dodgers just did it with Glasnow, so now we know the trade-contingent-on-extension is still a thing.

 

Burnes has decreased all of his important stats every year the past three years. Hard pass please. Montgomery-Imanaga please

[sk7326]

It’s overrated.

 

I’m pretty sure the movie was pitched by someone saying “I’m thinking ‘Bull Durham,’ but, and here’s the twist, in the majors!”

 

Pretty much. Bull Durham is very very good - I always thought it had the rhythms of what it must be like to actually play down. (with some comic effect of course) I think Shelton (the director) played minor league ball and it shows.

[mvp 78]

I have mixed emotions on acquiring Montgomery and Burnes. And all of them are based on how many Simpsons’ references I think I can handle…

 

As long as our Outfielders don't develop any child cough syrup addictions.

[mvp 78]

Getting a 2b shouldn’t be such the hamstring. Not ever sure why hitting LHP is the priority. Just get someone who can field the position. His 3-4 PA in the 40ish games the Sox face a LHSP isn’t likely to have the same impact as the 600-700 chances a full time 2b can see in the field.

 

I’m ok with defense and moderate offense from either side. But a 2b who can field and slugs from the left side (Jake Cronenworth, for example) shouldn’t be eliminated from consideration…

 

Cronenworth's contract sucks. Easy pass.

[mvp 78]

It’s overrated.

 

I’m pretty sure the movie was pitched by someone saying “I’m thinking ‘Bull Durham,’ but, and here’s the twist, in the majors!”

 

Major League is better than Bull Durham because Kevin Costner is the worst.

[mvp 78]

Burnes has decreased all of his important stats every year the past three years. Hard pass please. Montgomery-Imanaga please

 

Yeah, why can't Burnes be a 7.5 fWAR guy every year? What gives????

[mvp 78]

Burnes' Statcast is red hot RED. Montgomery's statcast is a mild grey.

 

But Burnes used to be better!!! Need that Montgomery malaise...

[Dipre]

Yeah, why can't Burnes be a 7.5 fWAR guy every year? What gives????

 

Corbin Burnes last 3 years

 

ERA: 2.43, 2.94, 3.39

K/9: 12.6, 10.8. 9.3

WHIP: 0.940, 0.965, 1.069

FIP: 1.64, 3.14, 3.81

BB/9: 1.8, 2.3, 3.1

 

Three years of constantly decreasing results on every aspect of a guy's results is a trend. You'll pay for the extraordinary 2021 Burnes and get a much more ordinary Burnes.

[Dipre]

Burnes' Statcast is red hot RED. Montgomery's statcast is a mild grey.

 

But Burnes used to be better!!! Need that Montgomery malaise...

 

Montgomery will make 50% of what Burnes makes and will not cost prospects.

[mvp 78]

Corbin Burnes last 3 years

 

ERA: 2.43, 2.94, 3.39

K/9: 12.6, 10.8. 9.3

WHIP: 0.940, 0.965, 1.069

FIP: 1.64, 3.14, 3.81

BB/9: 1.8, 2.3, 3.1

 

Three years of constantly decreasing results on every aspect of a guy's results is a trend. You'll pay for the extraordinary 2021 Burnes and get a much more ordinary Burnes.

 

Now compare Burnes' numbers to Monty's. Burnes' is decreasing from a career best in 2021, but his 2023 season is still better than what Monty is doing. He throws more innings. He gets more k's. He has a lower WHIP.

[mvp 78]

Montgomery will make 50% of what Burnes makes and will not cost prospects.

 

I too like to go to Make s*** Up University sometimes for argument's sake.

[Dipre]

I too like to go to Make s*** Up University sometimes for argument's sake.

 

You don't think Burnes will make 300 mill on an extension/FA based on his platform years? I have a bridge here in Santo Domingo I'd like to sell you for cheap.

[moonslav59]

Let's get both and see who does better!

[mvp 78]

You don't think Burnes will make 300 mill on an extension/FA based on his platform years? I have a bridge here in Santo Domingo I'd like to sell you for cheap.

 

You think Monty will get 150?

[mvp 78]

Let's get both and see who does better!

 

He doesn't want to get the ace. He wants to settle for a #2.

[Dipre]

You think Monty will get 150?

 

Around 175, and Burnes above 325, so if my calculations are right, and they're right 100% of the time, 50% of the time, Montgomery will make right around 50% of what Burnes will make.

[Dipre]

He doesn't want to get the ace. He wants to settle for a #2.

 

The only ace I want is Yama-san.

[moonslav59]

He doesn't want to get the ace. He wants to settle for a #2.

 

I want an ace and a number 2. If Monty outpitches Burnes, we'll be in great shape.

[Elktonnick]

I agree with this wholeheartedly. The Sox have one of the largest FO's in baseball (maybe even the largest) and a lot of it is at the tippy top. I can see having a lot of voices down on the farm working with individual players, but the sheer amount of EVP's this org rolls out is staggering. Because of this, no matter what direction Crag wants to take the team, there is going to be a dissenting opinion from another higher up that will be leaked to the press. It is not an ideal workplace and it's not one where quick decisions are probably fostered.

 

Didn't the Red Sox just hire another coordinator?

[Bellhorn04]

Didn't the Red Sox just hire another coordinator?

 

Yeah, they hired a new "hitting coordinator" named Dillon Lawson. The guy the Yankees turfed mid-season.

[mvp 78]

The only ace I want is Yama-san.

 

I go back and forth on whether the Sox really have a chance.

[mvp 78]

Didn't the Red Sox just hire another coordinator?

 

The Coordinator roles aren't an issue IMO. The problem is the 18 SVP and EVP's. That doesn't even count Sammy Wormtongue Kennedy.