A Realistic View at 2024: Part I

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Better than what we had there last year, a LOT better. He's here for one year, and you get a pick for him too when he declines a Q.O.

 

Also, errors is the worst metric to measure defense by. An error is just NOT making an out, guys make outs all the time that are scored hits on other guys because they're slow.

 

Like I said, the way official scorers suddenly and regularly rewarded hits on bobbles and even grounders through the wickets last year, he must have thrown a lot of balls away.

 

Meanwhile, today's latest trade block candidates: the Brewers and White Sox have said they'll listen to offers for anyone on their rosters. Also, Hoskins is a free agent and Castellanos could be dealt... -- let speculation continue! But no Dalbec and Bearclaw for Robert rumors...

[Hugh2]

Like I said, the way official scorers suddenly and regularly rewarded hits on bobbles and even grounders through the wickets last year, he must have thrown a lot of balls away.

 

Meanwhile, today's latest trade block candidates: the Brewers and White Sox have said they'll listen to offers for anyone on their rosters. Also, Hoskins is a free agent and Castellanos could be dealt... -- let speculation continue! But no Dalbec and Bearclaw for Robert rumors...

 

Gleyber Torre's 3.2 FWar last year would have led ALL RED SOX POSITION PLAYERS. He makes the team much much better.

 

Players Gleyber is much better than:

 

Whit Merrifield

Ahmed Rosario

Luis Arias

Emmanuel Valdez

 

Can't get a 5 tool player at every position. That would be a good trade, actually, the Sox would have to throw in a prospect to make it work if you go by BTV values.

 

Gleyber > Verdugo.

[mvp 78]

Better than what we had there last year, a LOT better. He's here for one year, and you get a pick for him too when he declines a Q.O.

 

Also, errors is the worst metric to measure defense by. An error is just NOT making an out, guys make outs all the time that are scored hits on other guys because they're slow.

 

Torres is not a good 2b, but he's a better player than Verdugo. A one for one trade of those two players would be great for BOS.

[Hugh2]

Torres is not a good 2b, but he's a better player than Verdugo. A one for one trade of those two players would be great for BOS.

 

And it's for one year, and it's a perfect bridge to Mayer, AND you can offer him a QO and get a pick.

 

By 2025 these players should be playing in Boston or very close.

 

His RHB also balances out the lineup very nicely. I also think the totality of the defense can still be much much better next year.

[notin]

Nothing personal, but I don't want either Torres or Donovan for second base. Both had negative dWARs last year; Torres somehow made 15 errors at 2B -- which means he really sucks on D, considering the scorekeeper scam of giving hits on anything not thrown into the stands or Charlie Browned.

 

Not Donovan?

 

The guy is an OBP Freak! Get him on base in front of Devers and Casas!

[moonslav59]

OAA 2022-2023 at 2B

 

+7 Merrifield

0 A Rosario

-1 L urias

-2 Donovan

-2 Reyes

-3 Torres

[moonslav59]

Not Donovan?

 

The guy is an OBP Freak! Get him on base in front of Devers and Casas!

 

I don't think a -2 OAA over the last 2 years outweighs a .380 OBP.

[Hugh2]

Torres is not a good 2b, but he's a better player than Verdugo. A one for one trade of those two players would be great for BOS.

 

He's also not as horrible there as 5gold seems to suggest, and in 2022 he was actually plus there. Could he have a bounce back season with the glove too?

 

His 3.2 fWar is a lot better than what the Sox got out of the position .5 WAR

 

BTV accepts Angel Bastardo and Alex Verdugo for Gleyber Torres.

[mvp 78]

He's also not as horrible there as 5gold seems to suggest, and in 2022 he was actually plus there. Could he have a bounce back season with the glove too?

 

His 3.2 fWar is a lot better than what the Sox got out of the position .5 WAR

 

BTV accepts Angel Bastardo and Alex Verdugo for Gleyber Torres.

 

Players always look a little worse in pinstripes for some reason.

[Old Red]

He's also not as horrible there as 5gold seems to suggest, and in 2022 he was actually plus there. Could he have a bounce back season with the glove too?

 

His 3.2 fWar is a lot better than what the Sox got out of the position .5 WAR

 

BTV accepts Angel Bastardo and Alex Verdugo for Gleyber Torres.

A description on Torre’s is he be making around $15M, and his defense is either stellar, or bush league.

[Dipre]

I'd take Torres for a year in a heartbeat.

 

He bats righty, and he can hit for power (for a MIF player especially) and get on base at a decent clip.

[mvp 78]

A description on Torre’s is he be making around $15M, and his defense is either stellar, or bush league.

 

Not sure he'd get to 15 in ARB when Happ and Hoskins got 11 and 12 last year. Devers only got 17.5 in his final year and his numbers far surpass Torres.

[mvp 78]

The only thing we can be sure about for next season:

 

@tylermilliken_

Alex Cora revealed on @NameRedactedPod that the Red Sox will be rocking their City Connect uniforms whenever they’re home on Saturdays.

 

Fridays at home will feature the red uniforms. Rest of the week will be whites.

 

On the road, there’s going to be a lot of gray and the blue jerseys on Fridays.

 

The rotation is alternates for Fridays (home or away) and City Connects for Home Saturday games.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I get all the praise here for Gleybar's bat, but two things to be wary of: Yankee fans are done with him, and it remains to be seen how Breslow shores up the D.

 

With a groundball pitcher in charge, I just have visions of sugar plums dancing across the diamond.

[Old Red]

Not sure he'd get to 15 in ARB when Happ and Hoskins got 11 and 12 last year. Devers only got 17.5 in his final year and his numbers far surpass Torres.

 

MLB Trade rumors projections put him at $15.3M for what it’s worth. Sportrac $14.6M

Edited November 9, 2023 by Old Red

[mvp 78]

I get all the praise here for Gleybar's bat, but two things to be wary of: Yankee fans are done with him, and it remains to be seen how Breslow shores up the D.

 

With a groundball pitcher in charge, I just have visions of sugar plums dancing across the diamond.

 

-3 OAA in 1200 innings at 2B isn't terrible. Valdez had -4 in only 350 innings (-14 in 1200 innings). Reyes was -2 in only 200 innings (-12 at 1200 innings). Urias was -5 in 400 innings (-15 at 1200 innings).

 

Torres is so much better defensively than the guys we had last season.

[mvp 78]

MLB Trade rumors projections put him at $15.3M for what it’s worth. Sportrac $14.6M

 

Seems high to me, but I'm no expert.

[moonslav59]

-3 OAA in 1200 innings at 2B isn't terrible. Valdez had -4 in only 350 innings (-14 in 1200 innings). Reyes was -2 in only 200 innings (-12 at 1200 innings). Urias was -5 in 400 innings (-15 at 1200 innings).

 

Torres is so much better defensively than the guys we had last season.

 

If we trade Dugo for Torres, trade of non tender Urias and sign Duvall, the D should be a net improvement, but the cost might be a little higher.

 

I'd say it's worth it.

 

[mvp 78]

If we trade Dugo for Torres, trade of non tender Urias and sign Duvall, the D should be a net improvement, but the cost might be a little higher.

 

I'd say it's worth it.

 

 

Tom Werner used the term "full throttle." I'm not going to be overly concerned about 1 year deals like Torres.

[moonslav59]

Tom Werner used the term "full throttle." I'm not going to be overly concerned about 1 year deals like Torres.

 

He'd improve the D and give us some RH'd power.

 

As long as the cost is not that much, it should be worth it.

 

$9.5M Dugo + $5M Urias is close to what Torres will get, but then we have RF to fill.

 

I like the idea.

[Dipre]

I get all the praise here for Gleybar's bat, but two things to be wary of: Yankee fans are done with him, and it remains to be seen how Breslow shores up the D.

 

With a groundball pitcher in charge, I just have visions of sugar plums dancing across the diamond.

 

Are you judging a player by the collective IQ of the Yankees fandom? Rethink your position.

[mvp 78]

Are you judging a player by the collective IQ of the Yankees fandom? Rethink your position.

 

Yankee fans deserve Hal Steinbrenner.

[Nick]

Boston Red Sox

Wikelman Gonzalez, RHP (No. 9)

Luis Perales, RHP (No. 10)

Angel Bastardo, RHP (No. 16)

Shane Drohan, LHP (No. 18)

Eddinson Paulino, INF (No. 21)

Allan Castro, OF (No. 30)

 

Will they all be protected by being on the 40 man roster?

[mvp 78]

Boston Red Sox

Wikelman Gonzalez, RHP (No. 9)

Luis Perales, RHP (No. 10)

Angel Bastardo, RHP (No. 16)

Shane Drohan, LHP (No. 18)

Eddinson Paulino, INF (No. 21)

Allan Castro, OF (No. 30)

 

Will they all be protected by being on the 40 man roster?

 

No, Paulino, Bastardo and Castro won't be protected. That ranking is pretty high for Bastardo (#30 on SP).

 

Bastardo is probably just a relief guy and he hasn't had great results so far. No reason to protect a guy like that. If he is selected, it's no big loss. Castro is still in GRE and is just too far away. A corner OF with only 7 HR's is probably not a guy that gets selected this year. Paulino had a terrible year and doesn't have a great ceiling at this point. Maybe just a utility guy? Similar to Castro, he's in GRE and is far away. At least Castro played well last season.

 

My thoughts on 40 man protection:

 

Wikelman

Perales

Drohan

Gambrell (38)

 

Penrod (49) and Scott (35) are maybes.

 

Wikelman, Perales, Drohan, Gambrell and Penrod all have starter upside. Gambrell and Drohan could be used as spot starters early in the season. Wikelman may be ready later in '24. Unsure about Perales' timeline, but he should be in AA this year and is considered to have the highest ceiling of all the Sox arms. Scott has performed well in AAA at C and can hit a little so could function as a 3rd C/UTIL guy. Penrod is a unique case as he spent some time away from the game and then back in indy ball. He's on the older side so the Sox are probably going to try to rush him through the system next season after getting a peak at him last year. If they don't protect him, it's largely due to his control issues. He pitched will in the AFL (1.29 ERA in 4 GS, named to Fall Star team). Someone may take a chance on a high powered LH arm like his (97 mph).

[moonslav59]

No, Paulino, Bastardo and Castro won't be protected. That ranking is pretty high for Bastardo (#30 on SP).

 

Bastardo is probably just a relief guy and he hasn't had great results so far. No reason to protect a guy like that. If he is selected, it's no big loss. Castro is still in GRE and is just too far away. A corner OF with only 7 HR's is probably not a guy that gets selected this year. Paulino had a terrible year and doesn't have a great ceiling at this point. Maybe just a utility guy? Similar to Castro, he's in GRE and is far away. At least Castro played well last season.

 

My thoughts on 40 man protection:

 

Wikelman

Perales

Drohan

Gambrell (38)

 

Penrod (49) and Scott (35) are maybes.

 

Wikelman, Perales, Drohan, Gambrell and Penrod all have starter upside. Gambrell and Drohan could be used as spot starters early in the season. Wikelman may be ready later in '24. Unsure about Perales' timeline, but he should be in AA this year and is considered to have the highest ceiling of all the Sox arms. Scott has performed well in AAA at C and can hit a little so could function as a 3rd C/UTIL guy. Penrod is a unique case as he spent some time away from the game and then back in indy ball. He's on the older side so the Sox are probably going to try to rush him through the system next season after getting a peak at him last year. If they don't protect him, it's largely due to his control issues. He pitched will in the AFL (1.29 ERA in 4 GS, named to Fall Star team). Someone may take a chance on a high powered LH arm like his (97 mph).

 

I think we protect the 6 you mention. Penrod might be the odd man out.

 

Maybe they can add a 3rd catcher on a minor league deal, perhaps with an opt out like Alfaro had, last year, and let Scott go unprotected.

 

Is Hagenman a possibility?

 

I don't see a major roster crunch, unless we add a bunch of players via trade & free agency.

Edited November 9, 2023 by moonslav59

[notin]

I don’t see the point in protecting Castro or Paulino. Neither have played above A ball and don’t exactly look like someone who could just step into MLB action. Teams don’t want to use a Rule 5 pick on a player who is going to take 3 or 4 of his 6 years just to get up to speed. It’s a bad enough player development process as it is.

 

Bastardo is unlikely simply because he really isn’t all that good.

 

I think Wikelman, Gambrell, Drohan, Perales and Scott are worth protecting.

 

Breslow might be intrigued by Ryan Fernandez as well…

[notin]

I think we protect the 6 you mention. Penrod might be the odd man out.

 

Maybe they can add a 3rd catcher on a minor league deal, perhaps with an opt out like Alfaro had, last year, and let Scott go unprotected.

 

Is Hagenman a possibility?

 

I don't see a major roster crunch, unless we add a bunch of players via trade & free agency.

 

I don’t see a roster crunch at all, considering the Sox stand at 37 players and could/should DFA any/all of Jacques, Weiss, Gillaspie, Dalbec, Mills and Llovera. And might still non-tender Urias and/or McGuire…

[Tedballgame]

Red Sox should sign two pitchers from Japan: Yamamoto and Trevor Bauer (not proven guilty of anything and not civilly liable for anything).

[moonslav59]

I don’t see a roster crunch at all, considering the Sox stand at 37 players and could/should DFA any/all of Jacques, Weiss, Gillaspie, Dalbec, Mills and Llovera. And might still non-tender Urias and/or McGuire…

 

Agreed.

 

3 open slots, plus all these guys would not be missed:

 

4. Logan Gillaspie

5. Zack Weiss

6. Mauricio Llovera

7. Joe Jacques

8. Bobby Dalbec

 

Plus borderlines (trade?):

Wyatt Mills

Luis Urias

Reese McGuire

Bryan Mata

D Hamilton

 

Talk of trading...

Dugo or Duran (Refsnyder?)

Maybe EValdez or Zack Kelly

 

Nope. No crunch.

[Bellhorn04]

Red Sox should sign two pitchers from Japan: Yamamoto and Trevor Bauer (not proven guilty of anything and not civilly liable for anything).

 

It would be kind of funny if the Sox sign Bauer, after he got the stamp of approval from Mookie.