Bloom fired

[Old Red]

It appears Chaim was a ditherer.

 

Finding that 3rd option in the fork in the road was real tough for him, and even after two tries he still didn’t find it. Are we sure he went to Yale? From dithered to wanderer.

Edited September 17, 2023 by Old Red

[moonslav59]

That sounds like a pivot from "DD should have signed him" to "DD should have traded him".

 

It's quite possible that they didn't trade Betts then because they still had some hope of extending him.

 

What we'll never know, apparently, is how much they actually offered Betts or how much they were willing to offer. Betts has now denied he was ever offered $300 million, and there were no counter-denials.

 

We do know that the Sox have made ridiculous lowball offers to Lester and Bogaerts. It's not beyond the realm of imagination that they also tried to lowball Betts. Maybe they were concerned about him holding up over a decade or more.

 

I blame Henry 100%. Not DD and not Bloom.

 

I fully agree with all of this, but if you were forced to place 1% of the blame on just one GM, would it be DD or Bloom?

 

Note: for all we know, maybe DD begged JH to pay Betts over Sale, Bogey or Nate, but JH said NO, so in that case, DD should get 0% of the blame.

[moonslav59]

The mission is clear.

 

Sign 2 quality pitchers better than Bello. What is so hard about that?

 

WE ARE BIG MARKET TEAM. Many posters here I haven't seen in awhile. Maybe we should have reminded John Henry and not blame all on Bloom.

 

I'd add "sign or trade for..."

[moonslav59]

Yeah, but the front office keeps saying the idea was to compete while rebuilding. Trading Sale in 2022 would have been strictly a payroll-shedding, rebuilding move.

 

Kind of seems like Bloom was screwed whatever he did.

 

If the rumor was true about the team taking Sale's full contract, we could have signed Kluber and a $25M pitcher, last winter or 2 at $18M each.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I fully agree with all of this, but if you were forced to place 1% of the blame on just one GM, would it be DD or Bloom?

 

Note: for all we know, maybe DD begged JH to pay Betts over Sale, Bogey or Nate, but JH said NO, so in that case, DD should get 0% of the blame.

 

Even if Bloom gets another GM job and wins 10 rings, this will still be in his obit: "In his first year as CBO in Boston, Bloom traded the Red Sox most popular player, future Hall of Famer Mookie Betts."

 

Dombrowski's obit will note he was GM of the greatest team in Red Sox history.

[Old Red]

Even if Bloom gets another GM job and wins 10 rings, this will still be in his obit: "In his first year as CBO in Boston, Bloom traded the Red Sox most popular player, future Hall of Famer Mookie Betts."

 

Dombrowski's obit will note he was GM of the greatest team in Red Sox history.

 

Think the Red Sox know now that they should have interviewed more candidates at the time than just Bloom?

[Bellhorn04]

I fully agree with all of this, but if you were forced to place 1% of the blame on just one GM, would it be DD or Bloom?

 

After all I've said, it would be a cop-out to assign any blame to either. If I had a gun to my head, I'd flip a coin.

 

I do find the idea that DD of all people wasn't willing to offer a superstar a ton of money more comical than anything.

 

And it's stupid to blame Bloom too. The guy was hired just as Betts was entering his contract year, just as the team had luxury tax problems...pretty easy to connect the dots.

 

According to Mookie Betts, the Red Sox offer was not $300 million. It seems pretty obvious that this was all the work of John Henry, AKA Lowball Johnny. Henry treated Betts the same way he treated Lester and Bogaerts.

[moonslav59]

After all I've said, it would be a cop-out to assign any blame to either. If I had a gun to my head, I'd flip a coin.

 

I do find the idea that DD of all people wasn't willing to offer a superstar a ton of money more comical than anything.

 

And it's stupid to blame Bloom too. The guy was hired just as Betts was entering his contract year, just as the team had luxury tax problems...pretty easy to connect the dots.

 

According to Mookie Betts, the Red Sox offer was not $300 million. It seems pretty obvious that this was all the work of John Henry, AKA Lowball Johnny. Henry treated Betts the same way he treated Lester and Bogaerts.

 

Fair answer. To me, I think DD had more time, and probably could have offered an aceptable amount earlier on, but yes, if JH refused to go along with it, there is no blame for either.

[moonslav59]

Even if Bloom gets another GM job and wins 10 rings, this will still be in his obit: "In his first year as CBO in Boston, Bloom traded the Red Sox most popular player, future Hall of Famer Mookie Betts."

 

Dombrowski's obit will note he was GM of the greatest team in Red Sox history.

 

Such is the life of a major sports GM.

 

They knew this when they got in the profession.

[moonslav59]

Think the Red Sox know now that they should have interviewed more candidates at the time than just Bloom?

 

They "know now?"

 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Such is the life of a major sports GM.

 

They knew this when they got in the profession.

 

"Hi, I'd like you to come in for an interview to run my team. This is Lowball Johnny..."

[moonslav59]

"Hi, I'd like you to come in for an interview to run my team. This is Lowball Johnny..."

 

Rumor has it there was a Theo spotting.

 

JH: "Good to see you, again, Theo! What's it gonna take?

 

Theo" "Just a small part ownershi...."

 

JH: Good to see you, Mr. Epstein, good luck elsewhere."

 

[Larry Cook]

Do we bring hazel in to be cbo

[notin]

Even if Bloom gets another GM job and wins 10 rings, this will still be in his obit: "In his first year as CBO in Boston, Bloom traded the Red Sox most popular player, future Hall of Famer Mookie Betts."

 

Dombrowski's obit will note he was GM of the greatest team in Red Sox history.

 

Why are you killing then both?

[Deja Doh]

Mike Hazen?

[Larry Cook]

Mike Hazen?

 

Spell check strikes again

[Hugh2]

https://directory.libsyn.com/episode/index/id/28039095

 

The Soxprospects have an amazing breakdown of the Bloom firing.

 

There are some things in here that I was unaware of that actually have me very optimistic of the future and that I did not know Bloom had been overseeing.

 

Over the past several years under Bloom the Sox have vastly ramped up the amount of money they spend on amateur scouting and increased the number of scouts they have as well. This was the jist of it.

 

These are the types of moves that build long-term success, that help a sustainable winning franchise but don't bear immediate fruit. Bloom did a piss poor job of building the MLB roster, but he apparently did do some great things for this organization top to bottom. Frankly, I'm a little ired that this wasn't the case before hand. We are Boston, we should be spending heavily there compared to most other teams anyways.

[moonslav59]

https://directory.libsyn.com/episode/index/id/28039095

 

The Soxprospects have an amazing breakdown of the Bloom firing.

 

There are some things in here that I was unaware of that actually have me very optimistic of the future and that I did not know Bloom had been overseeing.

 

Over the past several years under Bloom the Sox have vastly ramped up the amount of money they spend on amateur scouting and increased the number of scouts they have as well. This was the jist of it.

 

These are the types of moves that build long-term success, that help a sustainable winning franchise but don't bear immediate fruit. Bloom did a piss poor job of building the MLB roster, but he apparently did do some great things for this organization top to bottom. Frankly, I'm a little ired that this wasn't the case before hand. We are Boston, we should be spending heavily there compared to most other teams anyways.

 

I've been curious about what changes Bloom made to the "pipeline." I often wondered, if he brought any Rays personnel into the fold. Much has been said about the lack of pitchers drafted, highly or given major bonuses as IFAs, but taking everyday players has a much higher rate of return. However, the theory should go on to say, you trade some of them for better known pitchers who have already shown they can pitch well.

 

That has been the missing piece I have been waiting for since the Nate deadline trade in 2018. (No, Pivetta does not rise to that level.)

[mvp 78]

I've been curious about what changes Bloom made to the "pipeline." I often wondered, if he brought any Rays personnel into the fold. Much has been said about the lack of pitchers drafted, highly or given major bonuses as IFAs, but taking everyday players has a much higher rate of return. However, the theory should go on to say, you trade some of them for better known pitchers who have already shown they can pitch well.

 

That has been the missing piece I have been waiting for since the Nate deadline trade in 2018. (No, Pivetta does not rise to that level.)

 

He didn't bring any Rays guys into the fold.

[Hugh2]

He didn't bring any Rays guys into the fold.

 

I'm sure there's more fish in the sea than the "rays guys"

 

I find it very encouraging the beefed up their scouting departments.

[moonslav59]

He didn't bring any Rays guys into the fold.

 

So, all the people he "added" were from elsewhere?

[moonslav59]

I'm sure there's more fish in the sea than the "rays guys"

 

I find it very encouraging the beefed up their scouting departments.

 

I do, too. It's no lock any given guy from the Rays is better.

[sk7326]

I'm sure there's more fish in the sea than the "rays guys"

 

I find it very encouraging the beefed up their scouting departments.

 

Beefing up the scouting departments is in itself a very "Rays" thing. They have the largest pro scouting department in the league. And if you are going to trade someone like Verdugo - the pro scouting becomes vital.

[Hugh2]

Beefing up the scouting departments is in itself a very "Rays" thing. They have the largest pro scouting department in the league. And if you are going to trade someone like Verdugo - the pro scouting becomes vital.

 

It's also a very LAD thing to do.

 

Heck if you're a big market team and you get less draft picks then you need to hit on them more if you want a strong farm. Making scouting ever more important in my opinion.

[sk7326]

It's also a very LAD thing to do.

 

Heck if you're a big market team and you get less draft picks then you need to hit on them more if you want a strong farm. Making scouting ever more important in my opinion.

 

Of course, the Dodgers are the ultimate expression of the "Rays way - but with big time $$"

[moonslav59]

https://directory.libsyn.com/episode/index/id/28039095

 

The Soxprospects have an amazing breakdown of the Bloom firing.

 

There are some things in here that I was unaware of that actually have me very optimistic of the future and that I did not know Bloom had been overseeing.

 

Over the past several years under Bloom the Sox have vastly ramped up the amount of money they spend on amateur scouting and increased the number of scouts they have as well. This was the jist of it.

 

These are the types of moves that build long-term success, that help a sustainable winning franchise but don't bear immediate fruit. Bloom did a piss poor job of building the MLB roster, but he apparently did do some great things for this organization top to bottom. Frankly, I'm a little ired that this wasn't the case before hand. We are Boston, we should be spending heavily there compared to most other teams anyways.

 

They seem to think Cora might get the GM role, or some sort of upper management role.

 

They also like Eddie Romero.

[mvp 78]

Of course, the Dodgers are the ultimate expression of the "Rays way - but with big time $$"

 

Why wouldn't every organization spend a s*** ton of money on scouting? It doesn't cost anything against the CBT. You're spending money to obtain cheaper cost controlled assets rather than going the expensive aging FA route.

[Bellhorn04]

Why wouldn't every organization spend a s*** ton of money on scouting? It doesn't cost anything against the CBT. You're spending money to obtain cheaper cost controlled assets rather than going the expensive aging FA route.

 

Sounds like cake!

[sk7326]

Why wouldn't every organization spend a s*** ton of money on scouting? It doesn't cost anything against the CBT. You're spending money to obtain cheaper cost controlled assets rather than going the expensive aging FA route.

 

Don't ask me. Teams (like the Astros until recently) fired their entire pro scouting group, just relying on StatCast data.

 

Everybody spends on amateur scouting.

[sk7326]

They seem to think Cora might get the GM role, or some sort of upper management role.

 

They also like Eddie Romero.

 

Both Rikard and Romero have a lot of experience at this point as well as experience with this club and ownership. Amiel Sawdaye would probably be my top choice - but with knowing that ownership will way not have your back here, that will probably influence candidates' views of the whole deal.