Bloom fired

[moonslav59]

You’ve been wrong all along just like Bloom. I kept telling you over, and over that what was most important was now, and not 2-3-4 years from now, and like Cora said what the Red Sox do, or don’t do in October is also most important.

 

I said it seemed like the plan was to make the future the top priority. I was "wrong all along?" Because the fired Bloom?

 

No trades of any prospects higher than Aldo Ramirez in 4 years (actually 4 +_ 1 yr under DD, too= 5.)

 

Watching our spending ranking fall from top 2-3 almost every year- even reset years to below 10.

 

You think this proves JH & Co. valued winning now more?

 

Please explain.

 

Maybe, like Ben, they feel the rebuild is complete, and that's what they were hired to do, and now they will choose someone they think is better qualified for the major shift in philosophy that is to come. (Like DD over Ben.)

 

Firing Bloom does not show the priority was always win now. It's what you thought it should be, but even you argued that we weren't trying to do that.

 

You chose to think it was Bloom who convinced JH to not want to win now and build for the futre.. I saw it as an organization philosophy that started in 2019..

 

[a700hitter]

Finally a sign of what we are going to. At least not to what Bloom was planning —whatever it is.

 

This is a good news. This disaster was unbearable. My guess Cora is gone too on October.

He was an unmitigated flop.

[Tedballgame]

The axe swung today. My bet is he is bringing in a Dombrowski type to leverage the farm and get good again

 

When the Red Sox reached rock bottom yesterday by being as bad as the Yankees, Bloom had to be fired. When they sank as low as the Yankees that's it. He gone.

[Old Red]

I said it seemed like the plan was to make the future the top priority. I was "wrong all along?" Because the fired Bloom?

 

No trades of any prospects higher than Aldo Ramirez in 4 years (actually 4 +_ 1 yr under DD, too= 5.)

 

Watching our spending ranking fall from top 2-3 almost every year- even reset years to below 10.

 

You think this proves JH & Co. valued winning now more?

 

Please explain.

 

Maybe, like Ben, they feel the rebuild is complete, and that's what they were hired to do, and now they will choose someone they think is better qualified for the major shift in philosophy that is to come. (Like DD over Ben.)

 

Firing Bloom does not show the priority was always win now. It's what you thought it should be, but even you argued that we weren't trying to do that.

 

You chose to think it was Bloom who convinced JH to not want to win now and build for the futre.. I saw it as an organization philosophy that started in 2019..

 

Did you listen to Sam Kennedy today. Once again he pretty much said the Red Sox expect to be playing ball in October, which means last October, and this October, so you can hang onto the future all you want. You can go on, and on, and on about what happened before Bloom got here, but he HAD been in charge the last 4 years, and except for 2021 he, and the Red Sox have been a big failure. You look at the Bloom firing anyway you want, and as always you probably will be in the minority.

[a700hitter]

Oh my goodness, the endless cycle of blame — wash, rinse, repeat. Of course the ignorant fan base will be blamed for forcing billionaire JH into firing the genius Bloom, whose legacy in Boston will be making the second worst trade in Res Sox history. Maybe the worst trade. Frazee got money to make a pretty good play (No no Nanette) LOL!

[Old Red]

Oh my goodness, the endless cycle of blame — wash, rinse, repeat. Of course the ignorant fan base will be blamed for forcing billionaire JH into firing the genius Bloom, whose legacy in Boston will be making the second worst trade in Res Sox history. Maybe the worst trade. Frazee got money to make a pretty good play (No no Nanette) LOL!

 

I’d say this sums things up pretty well.

[moonslav59]

The budget excuses can only get you so far, and you’ve made that excuse TMTC. He may have had some budget restrictions, but lots of teams have had them the last 4 years, and have made better decisions than Bloom has made.

 

The budget restrictions were a major reason we did not with in 2020 and could have been in 2021, too. I have said that from the Story signing onwards, it was not an excuse. I have said the Sale contract was no longer an excuse for Bloom, as he was the only dead weight still carried over from DD. I said last winter was "make or break" for Bloom, because he had a big budget. You don't listen, or hear what you want to hear.

 

Bloom focused his budget on the wrong area, last winter. That could be a major reason he is gone.

 

Hit turned out it was his "make or break" winter, but you interpret that as me being wrong, somehow.

[Old Red]

I said it seemed like the plan was to make the future the top priority. I was "wrong all along?" Because the fired Bloom?

 

No trades of any prospects higher than Aldo Ramirez in 4 years (actually 4 +_ 1 yr under DD, too= 5.)

 

Watching our spending ranking fall from top 2-3 almost every year- even reset years to below 10.

 

You think this proves JH & Co. valued winning now more?

 

Please explain.

 

Maybe, like Ben, they feel the rebuild is complete, and that's what they were hired to do, and now they will choose someone they think is better qualified for the major shift in philosophy that is to come. (Like DD over Ben.)

 

Firing Bloom does not show the priority was always win now. It's what you thought it should be, but even you argued that we weren't trying to do that.

 

You chose to think it was Bloom who convinced JH to not want to win now and build for the futre.. I saw it as an organization philosophy that started in 2019..

 

 

The name of the game is BLAME CHAIM. Give me a hell yea!

Edited September 14, 2023 by Old Red

[Old Red]

The budget restrictions were a major reason we did not with in 2020 and could have been in 2021, too. I have said that from the Story signing onwards, it was not an excuse. I have said the Sale contract was no longer an excuse for Bloom, as he was the only dead weight still carried over from DD. I said last winter was "make or break" for Bloom, because he had a big budget. You don't listen, or hear what you want to hear.

 

Bloom focused his budget on the wrong area, last winter. That could be a major reason he is gone.

 

Hit turned out it was his "make or break" winter, but you interpret that as me being wrong, somehow.

 

The MAJOR reason Bloom is gone is very SIMPLE. WL record. I’ll say it again. WL record. Seems you’ve heard that from me more than once the last two years.

[moonslav59]

The name of the game is BLAME CHAIM.

 

It always has been, for you from day one- before you even knew him.

 

If you don't think the budget had anything to do with trading Betts with half-Price and not replacing their money plus Porcello's $20+M, that's your right, but I will continue to diagree.

 

This past winter, Bloom had enough to sign some SP'ers. He did not.

 

Like I said, there is plenty to blame Chaim for without needing to invent more.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The MAJOR reason Bloom is gone is very SIMPLE. WL record. I’ll say it again. WL record. Seems you’ve heard that from me more than once the last two years.

 

You Caps Locked MAJOR so forum members would know you're referring to the Red Sox' major league team WL record.

[moonslav59]

The MAJOR reason Bloom is gone is very SIMPLE. WL record. I’ll say it again. WL record. Seems you’ve heard that from me more than once the last two years.

 

Have I claimed he was fired for another reason?

 

I've been wrong on many things- some about Bloom, but you are inventing a disagreement that is not there.

 

BTW, he wasn't fired last year over W-L, so were you right or wrong, last winter? Just curious.

[Hugh2]

I’m sure I won’t get credit for this, and that is 100% fair because who the hell remembers specific points other posters have made eons ago? Or at least the vast majority of them.

 

But this firing could be in line with my theme all along. Bloom was brought in to build the team up into a sustainable winner. Rebuild the farm and the younger part of the organization. I had theorized that while he may be the guy for that job, he may lack the fortitude or ability to take them over that hump and when the Sox feel they’re in a better position to build a better team now they will switch directions and move on from Bloom.

 

It was the same thing with Charington to Dave. Ben lacked that ability a young team and a strong farm and go for it by bringing in pieces to build a winner.

 

Bloom kept the right guys (minus maybe Betts) and built up the farm. Now we are seeing those guys reach the majors with the next crop right there behind them.

 

Maybe others aren’t as optimistic but I truly feel this club is only a few pieces, albeit big pieces away from being a very good team.

 

Bloom will deserve partial credit if the Sox spring back into a first place team next year. But he obviously lacks the balls to go out and make the big time moves that the Sox need right now.

 

Perhaps this my own self delusion, perhaps I’m completely wrong. But I take his firing as a sign that Henry is ready to take this team to another level. He wants a guy in that position who is going to come in and add a big time pitcher, maybe even a big RHH bat. Bloom wasn’t that guy. I hope his firing means Henry is ready to go in that direction and make a big splash.

 

This team is just a few pieces away from adding around Bello/Whitlock/Houck/Casas/Wong/Duran/Mayer to be a very good team.

 

I defended Bloom more than the average man, but I’d be the first to admit he came without fault and made some sizable blunders. I hope my prediction is correct, in that Henry has finally regrown his balls and he wants to invest in this team and restore them to greatness.

 

We shall see.

 

Regardless, a change was needed. Whether you hated, disliked, liked, or were neutral on Bloom it was apparent some kind of change was needed. A change of direction, and for better or worse this change signifies a HOPE that this organization is about to get better.

[Old Red]

It always has been, for you from day one- before you even knew him.

 

If you don't think the budget had anything to do with trading Betts with half-Price and not replacing their money plus Porcello's $20+M, that's your right, but I will continue to diagree.

 

This past winter, Bloom had enough to sign some SP'ers. He did not.

 

Like I said, there is plenty to blame Chaim for without needing to invent more.

 

You’ve got that right from day 1 I said hiring Bloom was a bad idea, and I was right. Blame, blame, blame on the budget, but it was his moves, or non moves, which led to the bad WL record that did him in.

[Hugh2]

Technically Bloom has a winning record here.

 

Although, a few games above .500 in a few years doesn’t make you above average. Ten games in the other direction and they’d be losers. This makes them average. With an above average payroll that feels like below average results. We expect more than average in Boston, we expect exceptionalism here in championship town.

 

Let’s see what comes next. Hopefully someone with some balls.

[Old Red]

Have I claimed he was fired for another reason?

 

I've been wrong on many things- some about Bloom, but you are inventing a disagreement that is not there.

 

BTW, he wasn't fired last year over W-L, so were you right or wrong, last winter? Just curious.

It all added up to JH had enough, and he didn’t even wait to the offseason to right his wrong for hiring Bloom in the first place. I know you won’t get get over it, but Gloom, and Doom Bloom is gone, and the Red Sox will be better for it.

[Bellhorn04]

2011 Theo gone

2015 Ben gone

2019 DD gone

2023 Chaim gone

 

It's like clockwork!

[moonslav59]

You’ve got that right from day 1 I said hiring Bloom was a bad idea, and I was right. Blame, blame, blame on the budget, but it was his moves, or non moves, which led to the bad WL record that did him in.

 

Drive the bandwagon in the parade. I knew you'd enjoy this.

[a700hitter]

You’ve got that right from day 1 I said hiring Bloom was a bad idea, and I was right. Blame, blame, blame on the budget, but it was his moves, or non moves, which led to the bad WL record that did him in.

And it is no small thing that attendance has been off and interest and viewership are down. A failure in every aspect.

[Bellhorn04]

Technically Bloom has a winning record here.

 

Although, a few games above .500 in a few years doesn’t make you above average. Ten games in the other direction and they’d be losers. This makes them average. With an above average payroll that feels like below average results. We expect more than average in Boston, we expect exceptionalism here in championship town.

 

Let’s see what comes next. Hopefully someone with some balls.

 

DD had balls, you saw where that got him.

[Old Red]

Drive the bandwagon in the parade. I knew you'd enjoy this.

 

And a ticker tape it will be.

[moonslav59]

It all added up to JH had enough, and he didn’t even wait to the offseason to right his wrong for hiring Bloom in the first place. I know you won’t get get over it, but Gloom, and Doom Bloom is gone, and the Red Sox will be better for it.

 

Again, you totally misunderstand my position and beliefs. I am not upset Bloom was fired, at all.

 

IMO, Bloom did a lot of what he was told to do, and seems to have been successful at some of the important things he was tasked to do, and before you get your panties in a bunch, yes, the farm build up is totally speculative, except for those who have already contributed at the ML level.

 

For one who often uses quotes from the Sox brass, you sure ignored what they had to say about the good things Bloom did, but of course that is something they say about everybody they fire.

 

Yes, JH had enough. Brilliant deduction, Watson!

 

"Won't get over it?" LMAO.

 

[Old Red]

I’m sure I won’t get credit for this, and that is 100% fair because who the hell remembers specific points other posters have made eons ago? Or at least the vast majority of them.

 

But this firing could be in line with my theme all along. Bloom was brought in to build the team up into a sustainable winner. Rebuild the farm and the younger part of the organization. I had theorized that while he may be the guy for that job, he may lack the fortitude or ability to take them over that hump and when the Sox feel they’re in a better position to build a better team now they will switch directions and move on from Bloom.

 

It was the same thing with Charington to Dave. Ben lacked that ability a young team and a strong farm and go for it by bringing in pieces to build a winner.

 

Bloom kept the right guys (minus maybe Betts) and built up the farm. Now we are seeing those guys reach the majors with the next crop right there behind them.

 

Maybe others aren’t as optimistic but I truly feel this club is only a few pieces, albeit big pieces away from being a very good team.

 

Bloom will deserve partial credit if the Sox spring back into a first place team next year. But he obviously lacks the balls to go out and make the big time moves that the Sox need right now.

 

Perhaps this my own self delusion, perhaps I’m completely wrong. But I take his firing as a sign that Henry is ready to take this team to another level. He wants a guy in that position who is going to come in and add a big time pitcher, maybe even a big RHH bat. Bloom wasn’t that guy. I hope his firing means Henry is ready to go in that direction and make a big splash.

 

This team is just a few pieces away from adding around Bello/Whitlock/Houck/Casas/Wong/Duran/Mayer to be a very good team.

 

I defended Bloom more than the average man, but I’d be the first to admit he came without fault and made some sizable blunders. I hope my prediction is correct, in that Henry has finally regrown his balls and he wants to invest in this team and restore them to greatness.

 

We shall see.

 

Regardless, a change was needed. Whether you hated, disliked, liked, or were neutral on Bloom it was apparent some kind of change was needed. A change of direction, and for better or worse this change signifies a HOPE that this organization is about to get better.

 

Good post, and as I have said about the lack of Bloom’s big time moves especially at the trade deadline the past two years that he was looking for that third option in the fork in the road.

[Old Red]

Again, you totally misunderstand my position and beliefs. I am not upset Bloom was fired, at all.

 

IMO, Bloom did a lot of what he was told to do, and seems to have been successful at some of the important things he was tasked to do, and before you get your panties in a bunch, yes, the farm build up is totally speculative, except for those who have already contributed at the ML level.

 

For one who often uses quotes from the Sox brass, you sure ignored what they had to say about the good things Bloom did, but of course that is something they say about everybody they fire.

 

Yes, JH had enough. Brilliant deduction, Watson!

 

"Won't get over it?" LMAO.

 

Yes I’m almost positive JH told Bloom to not make the postseason the last two years.

[a700hitter]

Yes I’m almost positive JH told Bloom to not make the postseason the last two years.

Do you think he was tasked with driving down attendance and interest in the franchise, because in that regard he has been a huge success?

[Old Red]

DD had balls, you saw where that got him.

 

Too many balls, but he always lands on his feet somewhere, and produces winners most of the time.

[Old Red]

Do you think he was tasked with driving down attendance and interest in the franchise, because in that regard he has been a huge success?

 

No! I think he took that task on all by himself.

[sk7326]

One of Bloom's important roles was as a spokesperson for the organization - for better or worse - and he was fairly poor there.

 

His firing was not some wild miscarriage of justice - but it definitely had a lot of PR impetus behind it. Since Epstein left, ownership has lurched between extreme visions of the big league club which included creating a juggernaut built to win now vs a near Dalai Lama-like eschewing of top of the market players. They have not had that sort of near/far term view together since Epstein (and to a certain degree) Cherington were there.

 

Bloom was hired to bring Tampa North I suppose - but "Tampa with money" is what the Dodgers do - and the Red Sox seem allergic to large aspects of that. Bloom did a nice job restocking the farm with position players - and honestly some of them might need to move to boost pitching. The cupboard is not bare for the next guy - but Henry has to trust him and not spend so much time focused on what talk radio says.

 

Obviously former South Shore League All-Star Mike Hazen would be the top choice (I am dismissing Epstein wanting to run a team again). But Sawadye or McLeod from Arizona would be good fits also. Getting Chernoff from Cleveland is intriguing - they clearly are the role model for developing pitching industrywide.

[moonslav59]

And a ticker tape it will be.

 

Happier than if we made the playoffs, it seems.

[Old Red]

Again, you totally misunderstand my position and beliefs. I am not upset Bloom was fired, at all.

 

IMO, Bloom did a lot of what he was told to do, and seems to have been successful at some of the important things he was tasked to do, and before you get your panties in a bunch, yes, the farm build up is totally speculative, except for those who have already contributed at the ML level.

 

For one who often uses quotes from the Sox brass, you sure ignored what they had to say about the good things Bloom did, but of course that is something they say about everybody they fire.

 

Yes, JH had enough. Brilliant deduction, Watson!

 

"Won't get over it?" LMAO.

 

I’m sure you will defend, and support the next HOBO as vigorously as you have Bloom. I know I will.