Red Sox: Off Season '23-'24

[Old Red]

Nobody gets what they want from these Sox. I wanted Yamamoto or Gray or Montgomery, you wanted a trade, notin wants Chapman. We all get nothing.

 

At least JH isn’t playing any favorites.

[mvp 78]

I would love to talk to Miami about Cabrera!!!!!

 

He seems to be on the verge of a breakout season

 

This is getting out of hand. Now there are two of them!

[notin]

This is getting out of hand. Now there are two of them!

 

And our numbers will grow with every free agent who signs elsewhere. Two today. But when Stroman signs, there will be four of us. 8 when Clevinger signs elsewhere.

 

By the time you find yourself willing to forgive Trevor Bauer or Julio Urias, the number of Cabreraphiles will have squared itself!! And there’s nothing you can do to stop us!!! (Is there a maniacal laugh emoji?)

[moonslav59]

Seems like Imanaga did not cost all that much.

 

It will be interesting to see how that coin toss works out.

 

$9.825M Posting Fee (could increase with options taken or escalators.

 

$53M guarantee for 4 years ($13.25M AAV)

5th year team option

$80M max/5 years ($14M/yr) with all escalators kicking in

 

Edited January 11, 2024 by moonslav59

[vjcsmoke]

Red Sox ownership not showing up to Winter Weekend after back-to-back last place seasons, the full throttle comments and the dud of an offseason they’ve had so far is such an awful, awful look. You can’t get upset when people ask if you still care when these are your actions.

 

From Carrabis who was hosting the Townhall last year.

 

Yup John Henry knows that he's gonna get BOOED off the stage after the GOOSE EGG they laid during winter free agency period. The current Red Sox ownership group is just full of misers and cowards!

[moonslav59]

Yup John Henry knows that he's gonna get BOOED off the stage after the GOOSE EGG they laid during winter free agency period. The current Red Sox ownership group is just full of misers and cowards!

 

The Sham Turtles

[vjcsmoke]

Seems like Imanaga did not cost all that much.

 

It will be interesting to see how that coin toss works out.

 

$9.825M Posting Fee (could increase with options taken or escalators.

 

$53M guarantee for 4 years ($13.25M AAV)

5th year team option

$80M max/5 years ($14M/yr) with all escalators kicking in

 

 

Wow if those numbers are true that paints the Red Sox in an even WORSE light for missing out!

[vjcsmoke]

If the Sox were intent in competing, they would've signed more than Giolito. The filter of not competing is all we have. If they were competing, they'd use the remaining 40M+ under the CBT on the rotation and be competitive regardless of the Sale deal.

 

Agreed. John Henry's "full throttle" statement looks like an absolute JOKE right now. They have clearly mandated a "no-spend" zone above that 225m. In fact we might drop to 200m in salary for the start of the season at this rate.

 

Actually, how accurate is spotrac? It has the Red Sox at a hair under 170m in projected total payroll right now.

 

Red Sox Salary cap: https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/boston-red-sox/payroll/

Edited January 11, 2024 by vjcsmoke

[Randy Red Sox]

what are the dates for the winter wonderland?

[Randy Red Sox]

Top FAs still on the board (ranked my MLBTR.)

Red= position of need (SP, OF, RHB)

3. Bellinger OF

4. Snell SP

6. Monty SP

7. Chapman 3B

8. J Hader RP

16. Soler DH/LF (RHB)

(17. Giolito- signed with Sox)

18. Stroman SP

20. JD Martinez DH

21. J Hicks RP

26. Hoskins DH/1B (RHB) (maybe, if we trade Yoshida)

27. Stephenson RP

28. Ya. Rodriguez RP (SP?)

30. Clevinger SP

33. Chapman RP

34. Lorenzen SP

38. Urshela UT

39. Ah Rosario SS

40. Merrifield 2B

41. Turner DH/1B/3B

45. B Belt 1B

46 Nerris RP

47 Junis RP

49. L Hendricks RP

50. T Anderson SS (2B?)

Others mentioned:

OF Duvall, Michael A Taylor, J Pederson, T Pham

SP Paxton, Ryu, Kershaw

RP Robertson, Maton, Stanek, M Moore

C G Sanchez

 

 

 

Sox will sign the last SP standing on a 1 yr deal

[harmony]

Wow if those numbers are true that paints the Red Sox in an even WORSE light for missing out!

Did Shota Imanaga get advice about Boston from Masataka Yoshida?

[moonslav59]

Wow if those numbers are true that paints the Red Sox in an even WORSE light for missing out!

 

He was projected as a 4/5 starter with a low 90's FB with "movement," but still...

 

We ain't pivoting to Monty or Snell.

 

Stroman is kinda like getting two Gio's.

 

It looks, to me, like Paxton for 1 and maybe a trade for a 5 year guy.

 

[vjcsmoke]

Did Shota Imanaga get advice about Boston from Masataka Yoshida?

 

I'm not sure what he would tell him.

 

I hope the Red Sox are not going to ship out Yoshida just for salary reasons. Because we know they aren't going to replace with equivalent talent!

 

As it stands if the Red Sox salary dump Yoshida, that gets them to 150m payroll. But to what end? Do they just want to bottom out to a top 3 pick in MLB and spend as little as possible?

 

Even a top 3 MLB draft pick usually takes years to develop and is no sure bet.

 

Feels like they don't care if they get a little EGG on their face as long as they can turn a profit off the innocent fans who paid their hard earned money for a subpar, underfunded product!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

what are the dates for the winter wonderland?

 

Next weekend. Curiously, there is no longer any mention of this once-gala on the front page on Red Sox.com. This was found under the link Red Sox Press Releases: "Jonathan Papelbon to host Winter Weekend welcome event"...

 

... did anyone in the front office hear what he actually said about the front office last summer? Fans can only hope he isn't muzzled (though we know NESN will never replay anything controversial he says)

[Dipre]

Agreed. John Henry's "full throttle" statement looks like an absolute JOKE right now. They have clearly mandated a "no-spend" zone above that 225m. In fact we might drop to 200m in salary for the start of the season at this rate.

 

Actually, how accurate is spotrac? It has the Red Sox at a hair under 170m in projected total payroll right now.

 

Red Sox Salary cap: https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/boston-red-sox/payroll/

 

Henry's not the one who said it, but still

[mvp 78]

And our numbers will grow with every free agent who signs elsewhere. Two today. But when Stroman signs, there will be four of us. 8 when Clevinger signs elsewhere.

 

By the time you find yourself willing to forgive Trevor Bauer or Julio Urias, the number of Cabreraphiles will have squared itself!! And there’s nothing you can do to stop us!!! (Is there a maniacal laugh emoji?)

 

At this point, it seems like it's 99% a bridge to '25 and pray the prospects turn out. How will they construct the rotation next year? Who knows!

[mvp 78]

Agreed. John Henry's "full throttle" statement looks like an absolute JOKE right now. They have clearly mandated a "no-spend" zone above that 225m. In fact we might drop to 200m in salary for the start of the season at this rate.

 

Actually, how accurate is spotrac? It has the Red Sox at a hair under 170m in projected total payroll right now.

 

Red Sox Salary cap: https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/boston-red-sox/payroll/

 

Werner said it, not Henry. Werner wants to spend. Henry doesn't. Werner just doesn't have enough say.

[mvp 78]

Did Shota Imanaga get advice about Boston from Masataka Yoshida?

 

Rumor is that another team offered Imanaga more money.

[moonslav59]

Rumor is that another team offered Imanaga more money.

 

Pretty sure it wasn't BOS.

[mvp 78]

Pretty sure it wasn't BOS.

 

Cubbies over the Giants?

[Bellhorn04]

Cubbies over the Giants?

 

Seems like a solid guess.

[moonslav59]

Top FAs still on the board (ranked my MLBTR.)

Red= position of need (SP, OF, RHB)

3. Bellinger OF

4. Snell SP

6. Monty SP

7. Chapman 3B

8. J Hader RP

16. Soler DH/LF (RHB)

(17. Giolito- signed with Sox)

18. Stroman SP

20. JD Martinez DH

21. J Hicks RP

26. Hoskins DH/1B (RHB) (maybe, if we trade Yoshida)

27. Stephenson RP

28. Ya. Rodriguez RP (SP?)

30. Clevinger SP

33. Chapman RP

34. Lorenzen SP

38. Urshela UT

39. Ah Rosario SS

40. Merrifield 2B

41. Turner DH/1B/3B

45. B Belt 1B

46 Nerris RP

47 Junis RP

49. L Hendricks RP

50. T Anderson SS (2B?)

Others mentioned:

OF Duvall, Michael A Taylor, J Pederson, T Pham

SP Paxton, Ryu, Kershaw

RP Robertson, Maton, Stanek, M Moore

C G Sanchez

 

Still a lot of the top FA left to sign. Too bad many play positions we are not in high need of, and we have an owner stuck ti misermania mode.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Still a lot of the top FA left to sign. Too bad many play positions we are not in high need of, and we have an owner stuck ti misermania mode.

 

Don't worry, this front office is so dizzy in a search for pitching, they vow to leave no turn go unstoned.

[Old Red]

Seems like a solid guess.

 

San Fran has offered tons of money the last two years, but keep coming up empty.

[Bellhorn04]

San Fran has offered tons of money the last two years, but keep coming up empty.

 

Yep. And yet, interestingly enough, they've spent more on free agents so far this offseason than the Red Sox have.

[moonslav59]

Yep. And yet, interestingly enough, they've spent more on free agents so far this offseason than the Red Sox have.

 

Apparently, other teams have plan Bs and Cs.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Apparently, other teams have plan Bs and Cs.

 

But at least the Boston fans still have the Bs and Cs.

[moonslav59]

But at least the Boston fans still have the Bs and Cs.

 

and a couple of F's

[mvp 78]

Seems like a solid guess.

 

All the rumors have just been BS this offseason so we may never really know.

[mvp 78]

Still a lot of the top FA left to sign. Too bad many play positions we are not in high need of, and we have an owner stuck ti misermania mode.

 

They've already pivoted away from Snell and Montgomery. There have been NO rumors about Stroman, Clevinger or Lorenzen. The only guys we've heard about is Soler and YRod. That still seems like a bridge year to me.