Red Sox: Off Season '23-'24

[Old Red]

San Diego. They need LHH. But they might want to send a contract back. Yoshida for Yu Darvish? Darvish is owed $83mil over 5. Yoshida is owed $74.4mil…

 

Yes let’s trade for a 37 yr old pitcher with 5 years left on his contract.Wow!

[mvp 78]

What team might want Yoshida (plus cash, I assume?)

 

Sox should eat zero cash in any deal if they are hard up for money.

[mvp 78]

San Diego. They need LHH. But they might want to send a contract back. Yoshida for Yu Darvish? Darvish is owed $83mil over 5. Yoshida is owed $74.4mil…

 

According to BTV, Masa is an overpay for Kim and Darvish. I'd do it though.

[Hugh2]

I was about to say yes, then I realized Darvish is 37.

[Old Red]

Sox should eat zero cash in any deal if they are hard up for money.

 

👍👍👍.

[Hitch]

Rosenthal states that Sox are open to trading Yoshida and have heard from a few teams about him.

 

Yes, but it's not the Sox actively exploring this

 

'Several teams have inquired about Yoshida, and while the Red Sox do not appear to be actively shopping him, they are open to virtually any idea as they seek to build a better roster.'

 

Pretty straight forward stuff. As the late great Dombrowski said: everyone is available for trade under the right terms. If someone offers you two Mike Trout's for one, you take it.

 

That said, I'd highly recommend not trading two Yoshida's for one.

[Hitch]

What is everyone's feeling on Yoshida in general? I can't personally see how that contract works out long term.

[Old Red]

Sox should eat zero cash in any deal if they are hard up for money.

 

The Red Sox are not hard up for money, but how they want to spend it may be the hard part.

[Hugh2]

What is everyone's feeling on Yoshida in general? I can't personally see how that contract works out long term.

 

Depends if he's more like the 1st half Yoshida, or the 2nd half. He's not as big of a butcher in LF as people say, but the bat was good before he really slowed down in the second half.

[Bellhorn04]

What is everyone's feeling on Yoshida in general? I can't personally see how that contract works out long term.

 

I've already said too much about that signing LOL

[moonslav59]

Net Player (Value-contract)

-66 Story (34-100/4 yrs)

-2.0 Jansen (14-16/1)

0.00 Martin (7.5-7.5/1)

 

+27 Devers (323-296/10) We will not trade him, (now.)

+3 Yoshida (77-74/4)

+2 Whitlock (37-35/5) I don't see him as a dump candidate.

[Bellhorn04]

Net Player (Value-contract)

-66 Story (34-100/4 yrs)

-2.0 Jansen (14-16/1)

0.00 Martin (7.5-7.5/1)

 

+27 Devers (323-296/10) We will not trade him, (now.)

+3 Yoshida (77-74/4)

+2 Whitlock (37-35/5) I don't see him as a dump candidate.

 

Wow, that is not a rosy projection on Story's value. Sure it's right? Seems a bit low, frankly.

[Old Red]

I've already said too much about that signing LOL

 

Now that was an example of going full throttle. Boris closed the bidding down the very first day. Way to go Chaim.

[vjcsmoke]

I just read an article today that the Red Sox could be in on a trade for Chicago White Sox starting pitcher Dylan Cease. Thoughts? Could this guy turn into a top of the rotation pitcher for us?

 

article: https://www.si.com/mlb/red-sox/news/red-sox-reportedly-considering-blockbuster-trade-for-superstar-pitcher-pat3

Edited January 5, 2024 by vjcsmoke

[Bellhorn04]

Now that was an example of going full throttle. Boris closed the bidding down the very first day. Way to go Chaim.

 

Poor Chaim. He was a bit of a Hapless Harry when it came to building the big team.

[Dipre]

And Trevor Bauer is out there for the picking.

 

I'm game

[Dipre]

If they trade Yoshida-san, I'm burning down every poutine -dispensing establishment within a 50 mile radius of Bellhorn as punishment

[moonslav59]

Depends if he's more like the 1st half Yoshida, or the 2nd half. He's not as big of a butcher in LF as people say, but the bat was good before he really slowed down in the second half.

 

Not trying to nit-pick, but he really just dropped off the last 1/3 of the season.

.832 April

.962 May

 

.742 June

.844 July (his 2nd best month)

 

.640 AUG

.656 SEP

 

He was still at .840 on AUG 7th.

.800 on SEP 12th. Had the season ended, here, the narrative might be different. What 2-3 weeks can do!

.612 in his last 14 games brought his OPS down to .783 on the final day of the season, which is not really horrible.

 

Only Devers and JT had a better OBP and more PAs. (Same with SLG.)

[moonslav59]

Wow, that is not a rosy projection on Story's value. Sure it's right? Seems a bit low, frankly.

 

I know!

 

They say he is worth $34M/4 or about $8.5M x 4.

 

They say Yoshida is worth $77M/4 or about $19M x 4.

 

They are not perfect.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

What is everyone's feeling on Yoshida in general? I can't personally see how that contract works out long term.

 

If other teams are truly inquiring about Yoshida, then keep him. The Red Sox have been so incompetent in so many ways, that it's obvious other clubs are trying to exploit their idiocy before Breslow cleans house. Metrics somewhere must predict improvement for Masa...

[Hitch]

Depends if he's more like the 1st half Yoshida, or the 2nd half. He's not as big of a butcher in LF as people say, but the bat was good before he really slowed down in the second half.

 

Trading him after one season will not be a good look to other Japanese players in the future, either.

[Bellhorn04]

Not trying to nit-pick, but he really just dropped off the last 1/3 of the season.

.832 April

.962 May

 

.742 June

.844 July (his 2nd best month)

 

.640 AUG

.656 SEP

 

He was still at .840 on AUG 7th.

.800 on SEP 12th. Had the season ended, here, the narrative might be different. What 2-3 weeks can do!

.612 in his last 14 games brought his OPS down to .783 on the final day of the season, which is not really horrible.

 

Only Devers and JT had a better OBP and more PAs. (Same with SLG.)

 

But ever other metric you can think of destroys him, value-wise.

[Bellhorn04]

If they trade Yoshida-san, I'm burning down every poutine -dispensing establishment within a 50 mile radius of Bellhorn as punishment

 

Be my guest.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Sox should eat zero cash in any deal if they are hard up for money.

 

The Sox aren't hard up for making money, they're hard on for not spending it. They have to know if they reduce payroll it will not enlarge bankroll.

 

And it stoned Van Morrison to his soul. Stoned him just like jelly roll...

[Old Red]

The Sox aren't hard up for making money, they're hard on for not spending it. They have to know if they reduce payroll it will not enlarge bankroll.

 

And it stoned Van Morrison to his soul. Stoned him just like jelly roll...

 

But, because they are hard up for not spending it that makes them hard up for money. Pinching, and counting every penny makes a difference in what they are doing in the here, and now.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

But, because they are hard up for not spending it that makes them hard up for money. Pinching, and counting every penny makes a difference in what they are doing in the here, and now.

 

Well, they already blew one sale. I just went on MLB Team Store to buy a Bearclaw jersey, and they were none on the Red Sox page. But they still have the following for sale: Hernandez #5, Rodriguez #57 and Retired Player #00... imagine a non-baseball fan buying that for someone's birthday, and having to wear it during a game (it would have to be a tv game, from the recliner).

[moonslav59]

But ever other metric you can think of destroys him, value-wise.

 

When compared to his pay, probably yes.

 

1.6 bWAR is not horrific. (0.6 fWAR is bad. They say he was worth $5.1M in 2023.)

 

Out of 133 qualifying batters, Yoshida placed:

T 50th OBP (.338)

64th in SLG (.445)

63rd in OPS (.783)

 

His D killed him.

 

Some slight improvement on O and 90% Dh'ing could change his value, significantly.

 

On AUG 7th 2023, he had the 25th best OPS in MLB. (84th best fWAR at 1.4)

 

Edited January 5, 2024 by moonslav59

[Old Red]

Well, they already blew one sale. I just went on MLB Team Store to buy a Bearclaw jersey, and they were none on the Red Sox page. But they still have the following for sale: Hernandez #5, Rodriguez #57 and Retired Player #00... imagine a non-baseball fan buying that for someone's birthday, and having to wear it during a game (it would have to be a tv game, from the recliner).

 

How can anyone forget the Bearclaw, and THE Bearclaw game.

[oldtimer]

When compared to his pay, probably yes.

 

1.6 bWAR is not horrific. (0.6 fWAR is bad. They say he was worth $5.1M in 2023.)

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Out of 133 qualifying batters, Yoshida placed:

T 50th OBP (.338)

64th in SLG (.445)

63rd in OPS (.783)

 

His D killed him.

 

Some slight improvement on O and 90% Dh'ing could change his value, significantly.

 

On AUG 7th 2023, he had the 25th best OPS in MLB. (84th best fWAR at 1.4)

 

 

I'm all for trading Yoshida if we can shed his salary and then apply that to more pitching. He is a defensive liability, is slow on the base path and while his OBP is good his power is not a strong point. If Breslo can find a trade that improves the team, he should go for it.

[moonslav59]

I'm all for trading Yoshida if we can shed his salary and then apply that to more pitching. He is a defensive liability, is slow on the base path and while his OBP is good his power is not a strong point. If Breslo can find a trade that improves the team, he should go for it.

 

I agree, even though I think Yoshida will improve, next year, especially if he DHs more than 60% of the time.

 

What a mess, this team has become. We look to be deciding to have a sell off, just when we have the worst sell-off players on the roster.

 

Story and Yoshida?

Pivetta and Jansen?

 

If this was the plan, all along, we should have sold off 1, 2 or 3 years ago, and been years ahead of the curve.