Red Sox: Off Season '23-'24

[mvp 78]

I haven't heard anything on Snell, but I easily could have missed something. I just question how much they're really interested in all these guys.

 

Odds are they saw the decline in Teoscars bat, and didn't want to go 4 years like he wanted and probably didn't want to go more than 12-14 a year. Teoscar took the one year deal I think because it had a much higher AAV than what he was being offered and figured he could make more money in the long run. Pure conjecture on my part here.

 

Remember, Teoscar is horrible on defense as well. Strike out, doesn't walk a lot. Soler is just a Teoscar with slightly worse defense a little less average but more walks. If we WERE talking about a DH position, I actually think you could make the argument for Soler.

 

Personally, I don't really want either.

 

The Snell thing has been floated off and on over the offseason and then was mentioned as being very likely per a REDDITOR.

 

If they are looking to sign a RH DH, why not just bring JD back?

[Hugh2]

It's a combination of money, team quality and location. Money is most often the significant factor in the decision.

 

There are a very few circumstances when a guy chooses less money, it happens, but not very often.

 

What is more likely to happen is a guy choses to stay with a team or go home for even money. Or for the same reasons they may take less money but a higher AAV. Or sometimes they take less years but a very high AAV. There are other motivations at play there such as wanting to re-establish value.

 

But this narrative that nobody wants to come here to play is just....false.

[Hugh2]

The Snell thing has been floated off and on over the offseason and then was mentioned as being very likely per a REDDITOR.

 

If they are looking to sign a RH DH, why not just bring JD back?

 

It's the same people complaining about the Sox being connected to everyone and not signing anyone that trust the "trust me bro" sources on Reddit.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Are you suggesting the Sox move the team?

 

Yes, please -- in the transactional sense. Sell it to owners dedicated to re-establishing Boston as a major market franchise competing for the top talent in baseball that produces annual contenders...

 

... like Henry, Werner and Co. did 20 years ago.

[mvp 78]

There are a very few circumstances when a guy chooses less money, it happens, but not very often.

 

What is more likely to happen is a guy choses to stay with a team or go home for even money. Or for the same reasons they may take less money but a higher AAV. Or sometimes they take less years but a very high AAV. There are other motivations at play there such as wanting to re-establish value.

 

But this narrative that nobody wants to come here to play is just....false.

 

Right now, players aren't coming here because the Sox aren't offering competitive contracts. It has nothing to do with the state of the Sox or the weather. The only guy who stiffed them was Eflin who went to the Rays to play closer to home for the same money.

[mvp 78]

It's the same people complaining about the Sox being connected to everyone and not signing anyone that trust the "trust me bro" sources on Reddit.

 

My source is telling me the are NOT signing Soler.

[Bellhorn04]

The Snell thing has been floated off and on over the offseason and then was mentioned as being very likely per a REDDITOR.

 

If they are looking to sign a RH DH, why not just bring JD back?

 

Excellent question.

[Old Red]

Look, Red you make a lot of good points around here and don't get enough credit for it.

 

This is not one of them.

 

Don't try to rewrite history.

 

Everyone knows the vast majority of free agents follow the money. Does it not happen that way sometimes? of course, but lets call a duck a duck here.

 

Unless of course John Henry isn't a cheapskate after all. He offers the most money and everyone just turns him down.

 

If JH opened up his checkbook real wide, and offered the same amount of money to the Big O, or the Yam Man, the two most likely would have gone to LA. I’m not saying it’s not money, but what I’m saying is the money could be all the same, and I think the good players would take NY, and La over Boston.

[Bellhorn04]

If JH opened up his checkbook real wide, and offered the same amount of money to the Big O, or the Yam Man, the two most likely would have gone to LA. I’m not saying it’s not money, but what I’m saying is the money could be all the same, and I think the good players would take NY, and La over Boston.

 

LA is clearly the place to be these days. It's almost getting a little "NBA-ish", isn't it?

[mvp 78]

If JH opened up his checkbook real wide, and offered the same amount of money to the Big O, or the Yam Man, the two most likely would have gone to LA. I’m not saying it’s not money, but what I’m saying is the money could be all the same, and I think the good players would take NY, and La over Boston.

 

Yeah, if money is the same, they are going to go to a bigger media market where they can make more money outside of baseball. Sox need to offer more than NY or LA.

 

The same thing can be said about the Mets right now though. Seems like players are more than happy to use them to just go to the Dodgers. The Mets have a bigger checking account and bigger media market and same s***** weather.

 

If you want to be sure to sign a guy, offer the MOST money!

[Old Red]

LA is clearly the place to be these days. It's almost getting a little "NBA-ish", isn't it?

 

Super teams yes. Like I’ve said before that I hope the Dodgers go 162-0, and then lose in the first round of the playoffs.

[mvp 78]

LA is clearly the place to be these days. It's almost getting a little "NBA-ish", isn't it?

 

Dodger Stadium does have good churros. They also have way better beer options than Fenway. Once the construction is finished on Lansdowne, the view at Fenway will be much shittier too.

[mvp 78]

Super teams yes. Like I’ve said before that I hope the Dodgers go 162-0, and then lose in the first round of the playoffs.

 

Wouldn't it be better for them to win the WS and prove to the other owners (specifically the Red Sox) that spending works?!?

[Old Red]

Right now, players aren't coming here because the Sox aren't offering competitive contracts. It has nothing to do with the state of the Sox or the weather. The only guy who stiffed them was Eflin who went to the Rays to play closer to home for the same money.

 

The Red Sox have picked, and choose who to offer the most money to like Yoshida. The state of the Red Sox had more to do why so many declined to be interviewed for the HOBO job. Still a ways to go till March 28, but I think JH has a pretty TIGHT grip on that checkbook.

[Old Red]

Wouldn't it be better for them to win the WS and prove to the other owners (specifically the Red Sox) that spending works?!?

 

It didn’t work last year for SD, and the Mets, so 1 out of 3 isn’t all that good.

[jad]

Dodger Stadium does have good churros. They also have way better beer options than Fenway. Once the construction is finished on Lansdowne, the view at Fenway will be much shittier too.

 

Dodger Stadium lost all its appeal for me when they stopped offering Jodi Maroni's. They are at least working on some public transportation options (one, I believe, requires a mile or so walk, but that's way better than driving there and enduring their nightmarish parking lot).

[mvp 78]

Dodger Stadium lost all its appeal for me when they stopped offering Jodi Maroni's. They are at least working on some public transportation options (one, I believe, requires a mile or so walk, but that's way better than driving there and enduring their nightmarish parking lot).

 

Getting to the stadium is a big time pain in the ass. The parking lot was easier than driving around the Fens for a half hour looking for street parking.

[Bellhorn04]

Wouldn't it be better for them to win the WS and prove to the other owners (specifically the Red Sox) that spending works?!?

 

Texas did win it this year, and the big spending of the last two offseasons certainly helped...

[mvp 78]

Texas did win it this year, and the big spending of the last two offseasons certainly helped...

'22

Semien 7/175

Seager 10/325

Gray 4/56

'23

Eovaldi 2/34

Perez 3/39

deGrom 3/120

Heaney 2/20

in season: Chapman, Scherzer, Montgomery trades

[mvp 78]

Rangers had the 4th largest payroll last season at 251M (only 5M less than the Padres).

[Dipre]

'22

Semien 7/175

Seager 10/325

Gray 4/56

'23

Eovaldi 2/34

Perez 3/39

deGrom 3/120

Heaney 2/20

in season: Chapman, Scherzer, Montgomery trades

 

True Full Throttle

[Old Red]

'22

Semien 7/175

Seager 10/325

Gray 4/56

'23

Eovaldi 2/34

Perez 3/39

deGrom 3/120

Heaney 2/20

in season: Chapman, Scherzer, Montgomery trades

 

Most of these guys worked out. The Red Sox don’t have that good a track record the last few years.

[mvp 78]

Most of these guys worked out. The Red Sox don’t have that good a track record the last few years.

 

The last few years, the Sox have gone cheap. Wonder why the cheap guys aren't producing great results?

[mvp 78]

True Full Throttle

 

Acquired 7 SP's in two years. Sox could never!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Acquired 7 SP's in two years. Sox could never!

 

Maybe one difference for the Rangers compared to In-the-Red Sox is that all seven pitchers you listed are MAJOR Leaguers.

[notin]

Most of these guys worked out. The Red Sox don’t have that good a track record the last few years.

 

The Sox have added 2 free agents on deals longer than two years since 2018. The team didn’t qualify for usage of the word “most” in that regard…

[notin]

Acquired 7 SP's in two years. Sox could never!

 

8 pitchers…

[mvp 78]

Maybe one difference for the Rangers compared to In-the-Red Sox is that all seven pitchers you listed are MAJOR Leaguers.

 

Red Sox acquire lots of MLB pitchers, they are just back end of the bullpen guys.

[moonslav59]

Red Sox acquire lots of MLB pitchers, they are just back end of the bullpen guys.

 

Not much has changed under Brez, so far, except Giolito could stay for 2 years, if he sucks.

 

Brez pitching additions:

Giolito FA

Isaiah Campbell Trade

Richard Fitts Trade

Justin Slaten Rule 5

Greg Weissert Trade

Cooper Criswell FA

Max Castillo Waivers

Nicholas Judice Trade

Jorge Benitez & Helcris Olivarez MiLFAs

 

(I probably missed one or two)

 

[mvp 78]

Not much has changed under Brez, so far, except Giolito could stay for 2 years, if he sucks.

 

Brez pitching additions:

Giolito FA

Isaiah Campbell Trade

Richard Fitts Trade

Justin Slaten Rule 5

Greg Weissert Trade

Cooper Criswell FA

Max Castillo Waivers

Nicholas Judice Trade

Jorge Benitez & Helcris Olivarez MiLFAs

 

(I probably missed one or two)

 

 

Bloom would have signed Flexen (FanGraph's FA Tracker lists the Red Sox as the signing team anyway) and probably Paxton or Ryu. Giolito would have been too rich for his blood. He also wouldn't have done the Verdugo or Sale trades. Maybe he signs Nick Senzel?