2023 draft thread

[moonslav59]

Bleacher Reports grades the ALE drafts:

 

A Toronto

A- Tampa Bay

B+ Boston

B New York

B Baltimore

 

(For what it is worth.)

 

CBS & Sporting News gave the Sox an A for drafting Teel.

 

[moonslav59]

It's weird how short the signing period is, but some of these guys have to decide about college or not.

 

Also, I wish they'd allow draft choice trades. It would really add excitement and intrigue to the draft.

[mvp 78]

It's weird how short the signing period is, but some of these guys have to decide about college or not.

 

Also, I wish they'd allow draft choice trades. It would really add excitement and intrigue to the draft.

 

They used to do draft and follow, but I believe that went away. I don't mind the shorter window.

[Hugh2]

Bleacher Reports grades the ALE drafts:

 

A Toronto

A- Tampa Bay

B+ Boston

B New York

B Baltimore

 

(For what it is worth.)

 

CBS & Sporting News gave the Sox an A for drafting Teel.

 

 

My draft report card

 

Red Sox A+++++++++

Everyone else F-

[Hugh2]

I like the shorter window.

[moonslav59]

My draft report card

 

Red Sox A+++++++++

Everyone else F-

 

I really like our draft, and the most recent drafts (and IFA signings) seem to look better and better as time goes by.

[mvp 78]

I really like our draft, and the most recent drafts (and IFA signings) seem to look better and better as time goes by.

 

The pitchers they got last year have been mediocre to bad. They should have went with a few more ERC types which are further away, but have higher ceilings. When you load up on below slot guys, you're really just adding to the pigpen. I worry about the same thing with this draft.

[Dipre]

The pitchers they got last year have been mediocre to bad. They should have went with a few more ERC types which are further away, but have higher ceilings. When you load up on below slot guys, you're really just adding to the pigpen. I worry about the same thing with this draft.

 

Sometimes you hit on a diamond among the pig s***, but it's unlikely.

[Hugh2]

The pitchers they got last year have been mediocre to bad. They should have went with a few more ERC types which are further away, but have higher ceilings. When you load up on below slot guys, you're really just adding to the pigpen. I worry about the same thing with this draft.

 

Why care about developing pitching when you can just trade your assets for pitching

[Dipre]

Why care about developing pitching when you can just trade your assets for pitching

 

This is something I also kinda subscribe to, because it seems like this organization is not very good at developing pitching talent.

[Bellhorn04]

This is something I also kinda subscribe to, because it seems like this organization is not very good at developing pitching talent.

 

But may be improving in that department, if Bello is an indicator.

[mvp 78]

Why care about developing pitching when you can just trade your assets for pitching

 

Bloom hasn't shown that he's been able to do that.

[mvp 78]

But may be improving in that department, if Bello is an indicator.

 

I think we'd need to see more than one guy show some success to really believe it.

[Bellhorn04]

I think we'd need to see more than one guy show some success to really believe it.

 

Agree. Houck, Crawford, Schreiber and Winckowski are other possibilities.

[mvp 78]

Agree. Houck, Crawford, Schreiber and Winckowski are other possibilities.

 

They didn't develop Schreiber. Winckowski and Crawford are just bullpen arms. We don't really know what Houck is, but it doesn't seem to be even a middle rotation guy. Sox need to develop starting rotation arms.

[moonslav59]

They didn't develop Schreiber. Winckowski and Crawford are just bullpen arms. We don't really know what Houck is, but it doesn't seem to be even a middle rotation guy. Sox need to develop starting rotation arms.

 

You said “pitching” not starting pitching, but you never move goalposts, like we do.

[notin]

Bloom hasn't shown that he's been able to do that.

 

Well, he’s had 3 drafts from which he has signed players. And Drohan has certainly moved along quite nicely…

[Hugh2]

Sox have signed their 6th 7th and 9th round picks

[Hugh2]

They’ve saved 449,100 so far

[mvp 78]

Well, he’s had 3 drafts from which he has signed players. And Drohan has certainly moved along quite nicely…

 

His AAA stats leave something to be desired and he's starting to deal with a few injuries. Overall, I don't see a whole lot from the draft that has added to the system. The bats are good, the pitching not so much.

[Hugh2]

His AAA stats leave something to be desired and he's starting to deal with a few injuries. Overall, I don't see a whole lot from the draft that has added to the system. The bats are good, the pitching not so much.

 

I don’t think it’s fair to judge a guy who just got promoted and doesn’t immediately light the world on fire. If he’s still struggling after 5-6 starts I’d be worried

[mvp 78]

I don’t think it’s fair to judge a guy who just got promoted and doesn’t immediately light the world on fire. If he’s still struggling after 5-6 starts I’d be worried

 

He's had 10 starts in AAA.

[Hugh2]

He's had 10 starts in AAA.

 

We should just trade him then, and Perales. Let’s just trade all our pitchers, because we’re not going to draft them so f*** it. Let the short stops pitch.

 

In all seriousness, I didn’t realize he had that many starts, I always thought they moved him up a little too quickly. Still, I don’t think you can count him out just yet.

 

I don’t think he’s more than a Chris Murphy toe anyways. We shall see

[moonslav59]

I don’t think it’s fair to judge a guy who just got promoted and doesn’t immediately light the world on fire. If he’s still struggling after 5-6 starts I’d be worried

 

You were close. He's done okay after 7 starts.

 

Start #

8 4IP, 3H, 0ER, 3BB, 1K

9 4 IP, 7H, 3ER, 2BB, 5K

10 3IP, 4H, 1ER, 1BB, 5K

 

Last 2 starts are better than his first 7.

11 IP, 15H, 4ER, 6BB, 11K

Not great, but his ERA went from 5.60 to 5.05.

 

[vegasbob]

The prior 10 year record of Red Sox drafts shows a 14% rate of drafted players who reached MLB (48/345). It puts the Sox in the lower mid-third range of teams over that time.

[Duran Is The Man]

The prior 10 year record of Red Sox drafts shows a 14% rate of drafted players who reached MLB (48/345). It puts the Sox in the lower mid-third range of teams over that time.

 

 

 

i wouldn't be surprised that with pitchers, it's even worse.

[mvp 78]

We should just trade him then, and Perales. Let’s just trade all our pitchers, because we’re not going to draft them so f*** it. Let the short stops pitch.

 

In all seriousness, I didn’t realize he had that many starts, I always thought they moved him up a little too quickly. Still, I don’t think you can count him out just yet.

 

I don’t think he’s more than a Chris Murphy toe anyways. We shall see

 

I didn't say to count Drohan out. All I said was that he's struggled in AAA. We are talking about successes of Sox development and I don't think we can include him yet. Seems fair?

 

On Perales, I said that they should consider trading him since he has decent trade value, needs to be added to the 40 man this offseason, is far away and the Sox have said they want to compete next season. If the Sox don't intend on competing next season and can carry additional 40 man slots or don't want to add assets at the deadline, then just hold onto him. Not sure why that was so controversial on here either?

[mvp 78]

You were close. He's done okay after 7 starts.

 

Start #

8 4IP, 3H, 0ER, 3BB, 1K

9 4 IP, 7H, 3ER, 2BB, 5K

10 3IP, 4H, 1ER, 1BB, 5K

 

Last 2 starts are better than his first 7.

11 IP, 15H, 4ER, 6BB, 11K

Not great, but his ERA went from 5.60 to 5.05.

 

 

Start 8: 4 IP, 3 times as many BB's as K's, 1.50 WHIP

Start 9: 4 IP, 3 ER, 2.25 WHIP

Start 10: 3 IP, 1.67 WHIP

 

He's really not turning the lineup over and a lot of guys are getting on base. The results are far from what we saw in AA. Also, he is dealing with an injury so we don't know what impact that has had on him since promotion or when it began as it hasn't been reported.

[Hugh2]

I didn't say to count Drohan out. All I said was that he's struggled in AAA. We are talking about successes of Sox development and I don't think we can include him yet. Seems fair?

 

On Perales, I said that they should consider trading him since he has decent trade value, needs to be added to the 40 man this offseason, is far away and the Sox have said they want to compete next season. If the Sox don't intend on competing next season and can carry additional 40 man slots or don't want to add assets at the deadline, then just hold onto him. Not sure why that was so controversial on here either?

 

anything is controversial.

 

I suppose the end all be all of evaluating pitching development is when they make it to the bigs, I won't disagree with that but I don't fully endorse that either. Let me provide an analogy, lets say you weigh 280 lbs, and you want to get down to your highschool wrestling weigh of 160. Lets say after 2 years you're down to 195, about 15% body fat, very close to you goal but not there yet. You didn't hit your goal, but you're well on your way, so it's fair to say that you made some real changes in your life with positive outcomes.

 

As Moon pointed out, Drohans last few starts have been much better. We've all seen how a few bad performances can skew numbers in a SSS, also, we never know what a guy is working on. A team can be telling him to throw a certain pitch more even in counts he wouldn't normally use it in. There's a lot more to look at than just results. Personally, I'm not terribly high on Droha, I'm more high on Perales because I have an aversion to risk when it comes to prospects. I'll bet on upside anyday of the week, and he just might have the best upside of anyone in our system. The nature of those guys is their value is always going to be very low until the reach the upper minors, as a matter of fact if you look at all the trades in baseball the last few years you've seen this seismic shift to such players. Team, more and more, want talent that is close to MLB ready, devaluing guys like Perales.

 

I'm not opposed to trading him in the right deal, but to me, you trade to add to a good team to build sustainability, not to shoot for the moon one or two seasons. Because if you do the later, and you don't win a world series, then we are right back to 2020 again. I don't want to be there. I'd be more open to trading position player prospects, because we have more depth there.

 

Also, I try to weigh every way to build an MLB roster. TRADES/DEVELOP YOUR OWN GUYS/FREE AGENT SIGNINGS. I believe there is a time and place for all three of those. It makes sense to throw out the $300 million dollar contract some years while other years it does not. Same thing with trades. So when you've built the farm system back up to good (but not great) and the team has a nice core coming up but isn't quite that good yet (we have a winning record) selling off your chips seems like blowing your load to soon. But that's not my main motivator for these feelings. It's the fact that next years free agent class strength is what our weakness is. So this goes back to the timing of everything. That timing also coincides with a year in which the Sox just reset the luxury tax. It makes all the sense in the world (to me), to sign one or two of Ohtani/Yama/Urias/Gioloto/Nola. Those guys only cost you money, similar to money you'd have to give to any guy taking an extension and costs you zero prospects.

 

I don't disagree with your logic overall, it's just a strategy I would personally not employ over here on my armchair.

[mvp 78]

To me, the last few Drohan starts are underwhelming. Simply looking at earned runs is not a good measure of performance for a pitcher, especially if they are only going 3 or 4 innings.

 

I think the best organizations consider all moves and are always monitoring their talent. If they really believe in Perales long term, of course they wouldn't move him. I just suggested that if they were really going to be buyers at the deadline (which I don't think they should be) that there are lots of ways to get talent onto your roster. Is it a move that Bloom is likely to make? I don't think so. Frankly, I have no idea what Bloom is likely to do since he stood pat last season when he should have had a massive fire sale to add to the team's future. This organization has made some weird moves and non-moves over the past 4 years and I don't think anyone of us could guess what will exactly happen at the end of this month.

 

At least a conversation about trading Perales is more interesting than Barnes blowing a game from a year and half ago.