Trade Deadline 2023

[vegasbob]

Would yo consider trading Duran as a "sell high" move, too?

 

I like Notin's #2 as i do not see Duvall in any go forward scenario next year. I tend to agree with Bellhorn's assessment that Paxton would be a difficult move in terms of continuing to compete, but Notin's #3 could offset the loss of Paxton .

 

I would still hold on Duran, although you need to see the proposed deal, because he has shown the ability to improve year over year and is under control for a good while. But the real reason is he has the one thing that cannot be coached significantly and that is game changing speed. His 4 double night showed that impact. Singles become doubles, including legit singles + a SB. He should be in CF where he can get to more balls in deep corners , then hope he catches them.

 

The Sox are otherwise a notoriously slow team including Casas, Turner, Devers and Yoshida , through the middle of the lineup. Duran on base in front of them makes a run producing difference.

 

Duran's displayed attitude or lack of trying last year set off many fans and the organization , but that seems to be in the past now. Good for him

[vegasbob]

My feeling is that this forum tends to be dominated by a different kind of fan than you will find in the general population of Red Sox Nation. Not saying that is good or bad, just that it is my take. A lack of tolerance for differing opinions is pretty obvious. As for me, I just want to have my beer, a bag of peanuts and enjoy the ballgame. I am not the avid fan I used to be. The whole alphabet soup of analytic stats is not interesting to me. I could not name you the starting lineup for some of the teams in MLB , much less have an opinion on some kid in A Ball. Good for those of you who can. I am not too happy the Sox have spent so much time in the basement in recent years, but I am not going to obsess about what John Henry's plan may be.

 

Quite correct Mr. D. All you have to do is look briefly at the posts on some the Facebook type RSN groups and it is truly a sad state of ignorant fandom. I have been a RS fan for nearly 70 years , involved directly with baseball many of those , but still learn some nuances and good takes regarding baseball from the people on this site. Game Threads are for fun and it is ironic how some take it so seriously or personally. The internecine wars in the Forums between some "fans' is hilarious. Enjoy the game

[notin]

Would yo consider trading Duran as a "sell high" move, too?

 

I’ve said as much multiple times.

 

But at some point I think he transitioned from “sell high candidate” to “obvious starting CF”…

[Thunder]

I’m standing by

 

1. Selling high on Paxton

2. Moving Duvall as he’s probably the most intriguing short-timer on the roster (outside of Paxton and Turner).

3. Adding RHSP Paul Blackburn

 

Will your opinion on Blackburn change if we knock him around today?

[Old Red]

It’s a baseball forum. Not a shanty in the woods…

 

And what I love is all opinions are welcomed , and encouraged.

[notin]

Will your opinion on Blackburn change if we knock him around today?

 

 

No.

 

Because 1) it’s a prediction, not an opinion. My opinion of Blackburn is not remarkably flattering. And 2) success or failure vs the Red Sox lineup is irrelevant since they would be the one team he has no chance of facing…

[notin]

And what I love is all opinions are welcomed , and encouraged.

 

You discourage opinions all the time. Over 50% of your posts last year were dedicated to ensuring no one said anything positive about the Red Sox…

[dgalehouse]

Would yo consider trading Duran as a "sell high" move, too?

 

On a list of who NOT to trade, Duran would be near the top.

[notin]

On a list of who NOT to trade, Duran would be near the top.

 

I agree. I think he transitioned over to starting CF. To me, he makes Ceddanne Rafaela just a little easier to part with. (Although Rafaela is probably the best defensive SS on the Red Sox 40 man roster right now.)

[moonslav59]

I like Notin's #2 as i do not see Duvall in any go forward scenario next year. I tend to agree with Bellhorn's assessment that Paxton would be a difficult move in terms of continuing to compete, but Notin's #3 could offset the loss of Paxton .

 

I would still hold on Duran, although you need to see the proposed deal, because he has shown the ability to improve year over year and is under control for a good while. But the real reason is he has the one thing that cannot be coached significantly and that is game changing speed. His 4 double night showed that impact. Singles become doubles, including legit singles + a SB. He should be in CF where he can get to more balls in deep corners , then hope he catches them.

 

The Sox are otherwise a notoriously slow team including Casas, Turner, Devers and Yoshida , through the middle of the lineup. Duran on base in front of them makes a run producing difference.

 

Duran's displayed attitude or lack of trying last year set off many fans and the organization , but that seems to be in the past now. Good for him

 

Duran's growth has not been linear.

 

Just 2 months ago, almost everyone would be okay with trading him.

 

I want to keep him and would rather trade Rafaela and Mata than him.

[Nick]

Duran's growth has not been linear.

 

Just 2 months ago, almost everyone would be okay with trading him.

 

I want to keep him and would rather trade Rafaela and Mata than him.

 

I would keep all of them.

[Hugh2]

Keep Rafaela, kid has JBJ defensive potential and can do it in CF and SS.

 

Mats needs to love to the pen. Keep the farm, this is supposed to be “sustainable growth”. Go buy an ACE to lead Bello/Whitlock/Houck, if Sale is healthy great.

[notin]

Keep Rafaela, kid has JBJ defensive potential and can do it in CF and SS.

 

Mats needs to love to the pen. Keep the farm, this is supposed to be “sustainable growth”. Go buy an ACE to lead Bello/Whitlock/Houck, if Sale is healthy great.

 

I’d be all for giving him more time at SS. Even with Chang back, he could step in right away…

[Dipre]

Duran and Casas are the future faces of this team. Homegrown, great potential. Don't trade either. Paxton is a ticking time bomb, Duvall is expendable.

[notin]

Duran and Casas are the future faces of this team. Homegrown, great potential. Don't trade either. Paxton is a ticking time bomb, Duvall is expendable.

 

… and Alfaro is hairy…

[moonslav59]

I would keep all of them.

 

I'm not advocating trading any of them, right now.

 

I will point out how fickle these calls are. Just 2 months ago, we'd all have traded Duran for just about anyone.

 

Some mentioned we should have traded Dalbec after his hot 2 month ending to 2021. That's not to say I feel Duran will do what Bobby Dee did.

 

Duran actually looks like a totally different player. What an amazing turn around!

 

I do think Duvall looks like the most expendable player that might bring some return. I'd rather trade Kike, but his return would be way less, even if we paid his whole salary. (I think Kike would be fine as our back-up CF'er and maybe half-time 2Bman, until Story returns.)

 

I hope we are in the race and don't trade Paxton, but if we slip up, I'd trade any and all 1 year guys and consider some 2 year guys, too, assuming the return is good.

 

I look at that Diekman trade and wonder what we might get for better players than he was.

[moonslav59]

… and Alfaro is hairy…

 

Duran might be the "face," but Alfaro is the "hair."

[Hugh2]

I’d be all for giving him more time at SS. Even with Chang back, he could step in right away…

 

Next year, yes

[cp176]

My feeling is that this forum tends to be dominated by a different kind of fan than you will find in the general population of Red Sox Nation. Not saying that is good or bad, just that it is my take. A lack of tolerance for differing opinions is pretty obvious. As for me, I just want to have my beer, a bag of peanuts and enjoy the ballgame. I am not the avid fan I used to be. The whole alphabet soup of analytic stats is not interesting to me. I could not name you the starting lineup for some of the teams in MLB , much less have an opinion on some kid in A Ball. Good for those of you who can. I am not too happy the Sox have spent so much time in the basement in recent years, but I am not going to obsess about what John Henry's plan may be.

 

I'm with you here. I love the game but do not find that being immersed in the metrics aspects of it makes my opinions any less important than the two or three people here who live breathe and die by them. I actually miss many of the elements of baseball that used to be so important not seeming to have relevance anymore. it is one of the reasons Duran's play is really special I think. No team wants to see this guy get on base. Bunting, running, moving runners just seem like lost arts that I do think still work.

[Bellhorn04]

How'd that work out, last year?

 

Fans seemed so thrilled.

 

Total straw man argument, moon.

 

Last year Average Sox Fan was pissed because:

 

a) They traded Vazquez.

Their "big acquisitions" were Hosmer and Pham.

c) They finished 6 games under .500 and in last place for the 5th time in 11 years.

 

All of which is consistent with the idea that they'll be pissed again if they have a shot at the playoffs and trade Paxton.

[Bellhorn04]

Duran and Casas are the future faces of this team. Homegrown, great potential. Don't trade either. Paxton is a ticking time bomb, Duvall is expendable.

 

You're a ticking time bomb.

[Bellhorn04]

I look at that Diekman trade and wonder what we might get for better players than he was.

 

Man, you really liked that Diekman trade. Sometimes I get the feeling you'd put it right up there with the Pedro trade.

[moonslav59]

Man, you really liked that Diekman trade. Sometimes I get the feeling you'd put it right up there with the Pedro trade.

 

Well, I disliked the signing from day one, and although saving $5M is no big deal, I really like McGuire as one of our catchers.

 

I like the Vaz trade better, but Abreu and EValdez have yet to prove anything.

[Bellhorn04]

To me, McGuire is an adequate backup catcher who has to keep a suitcase packed. I'm still not convinced of his defensive value. He's an average hitter-for a catcher.

[moonslav59]

To me, McGuire is an adequate backup catcher who has to keep a suitcase packed. I'm still not convinced of his defensive value. He's an average hitter-for a catcher.

 

He has yet to prove he's an overall plus catcher, for sure, but it's hard to find even adequate catchers.

 

He apparently had already proven he was a good defensive catcher, and I get the CERA concerns. I'm concerned, too, but I do think there should be a learning curve in that area. We have seen Wong improve greatly with our staff after the first 3-5 weeks. McGuire has not played nearly as much as Wong (for good reason and due to injury,) but he should improve there, too, if he ever plays with us, again.

 

If he never does, I still like the $5M salary dump.

[Bellhorn04]

If he never does, I still like the $5M salary dump.

 

Considering that we're still way under the threshold this year, it appears that this year's share of the $5 mill went toward some upgrades on JH's yacht.

[notin]

Considering that we're still way under the threshold this year, it appears that this year's share of the $5 mill went toward some upgrades on JH's yacht.

 

And as those upgrades have an AAV of $0, they do leave room for deadline acquisitions.

 

Or are you implying that Henry needs to spend more and be like the Mets and Padres?

[Bellhorn04]

And as those upgrades have an AAV of $0, they do leave room for deadline acquisitions.

 

Or are you implying that Henry needs to spend more and be like the Mets and Padres?

 

Nice try!

[notin]

Nice try!

 

Ok so if it’s not that. Do you hate the hard-working blue collar types who upgrade yachts so they can feed their family?

[Bellhorn04]

Ok so if it’s not that. Do you hate the hard-working blue collar types who upgrade yachts so they can feed their family?

 

No, I think it's great that Bloom put some money in their pockets by taking Diekman off the books.