6/12 vs Rockies

[redsoxrules]

Duvall played for two weeks. Devers, obviously, Verdugo has been consistently good all season. What I did think was that Turner, Casas and Kike could either improve or move towards career norms. Casas and Turner have indeed improved, but parts of the lineup have cratered in ways that are due for correction. Again, all teams slump.

 

On May 1st Verdugo was on pace for 27HR , 130 Runs scored, over 200 hits and 100 Rbis. He was not going to sustain that. I mentioned Duval as he attributed a lot in those 2 weeks for the team run production.

[Dipre]

On May 1st Verdugo was on pace for 27HR , 130 Runs scored, over 200 hits and 100 Rbis. He was not going to sustain that. I mentioned Duval as he attributed a lot in those 2 weeks for the team run production.

 

So what's your point? If they were going to even out, it could also even out for the guys initially struggling. The guys streaking can slump, but the guys slumping can't streak? Also, using projections over a month's worth of PA's is an exercise in futility.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

This is just not a well constructed roster. You can't win low scoring games consistently if you have terrible defense.

 

Posters here have been noting this since the offseason. If the pitchers don't have swing-and-miss stuff, the fielders better have sound fundamentals -- or you're sunk.

 

Waiting for injured guys -- whose ailments, even in recovery, don't guarantee improved defense at the MLB level -- won't make a difference if it's too late.

 

A big market team that is all-in contending for the postseason -- and not full of crap -- makes necessary moves to fill glaring holes with Big Leaguers in June.

[redsoxrules]

So what's your point? If they were going to even out, it could also even out for the guys initially struggling. The guys streaking can slump, but the guys slumping can't streak? Also, using projections over a month's worth of PA's is an exercise in futility.

 

My point? That the offense wasn't going to sustained the run production they did early on I the year

[Old Red]

My point? That the offense wasn't going to sustained the run production they did early on I the year

 

Exactly, and I asked that same question weeks ago if the offense could keep the pace to offset the starting pitching, which was bad at the time.

[Dipre]

My point? That the offense wasn't going to sustained the run production they did early on I the year

 

The offense can rebound. But offenses always struggle. Are you telling me that an offense that averages 5 R/G scores 5 Runs every night?

[Dipre]

Posters here have been noting this since the offseason. If the pitchers don't have swing-and-miss stuff, the fielders better have sound fundamentals -- or you're sunk.

 

Waiting for injured guys -- whose ailments, even in recovery, don't guarantee improved defense at the MLB level -- won't make a difference if it's too late.

 

A big market team that is all-in contending for the postseason -- and not full of crap -- makes necessary moves to fill glaring holes with Big Leaguers in June.

 

They are not all in on contending this year.

[notin]

The offense can rebound. But offenses always struggle. Are you telling me that an offense that averages 5 R/G scores 5 Runs every night?

 

This offense is struggling mightily.

 

They have scored more than 1 run in an inning exactly one time in the past 83 innings. That’s just over 9 games…

[redsoxrules]

So what's your point? If they were going to even out, it could also even out for the guys initially struggling. The guys streaking can slump, but the guys slumping can't streak? Also, using projections over a month's worth of PA's is an exercise in futility.

 

My point? That the offense wasn't going to sustained the run production they did early on I the year.

 

In April they were 3rd in runs scored with 163. In May they fell back to earth with 122 which ranks them 19th. In June they are currently 20th. So I think it's safe to say the offense is not as good as the start of the year indicated

[Dipre]

My point? That the offense wasn't going to sustained the run production they did early on I the year.

 

In April they were 3rd in runs scored with 163. In May they fell back to earth with 122 which ranks them 19th. In June they are currently 20th. So I think it's safe to say the offense is not as good as the start of the year indicated

 

Yeah, but they can easily go on a tear and even the season average out. That's why it's an average, which is my point.

[Dipre]

This offense is struggling mightily.

 

They have scored more than 1 run in an inning exactly one time in the past 83 innings. That’s just over 9 games…

 

Surprisingly so. This isn't an offense that should be averaging less than 3R/G over such an extended period of time.

[mvp 78]

@redsoxstats

This is the third straight season in which the Red Sox offense has had a disastrous 10-game stretch of scoring 25 or fewer runs.

 

Aug 7, 2021 (2-8)

May 8, 2022 (2-8)

June 12, 2023 (3-7)

[Maxbialystock]

@redsoxstats

This is the third straight season in which the Red Sox offense has had a disastrous 10-game stretch of scoring 25 or fewer runs.

 

Aug 7, 2021 (2-8)

May 8, 2022 (2-8)

June 12, 2023 (3-7)

 

2021 was a disastrous season? News to me. Sox beat Yankes and Rays to get to ALCS.

[mvp 78]

2021 was a disastrous season? News to me. Sox beat Yankes and Rays to get to ALCS.

 

Who said it was a disastrous SEASON? The quote was "disastrous 10-game stretch" for the offense in 3 straight seasons.

[moonslav59]

Yeah, but they can easily go on a tear and even the season average out. That's why it's an average, which is my point.

 

Exactly. We likely are not a 5.5 or 3.0 runs per game team.

 

We might finish between 4.4 and 5.0.

[Maxbialystock]

Who said it was a disastrous SEASON? The quote was "disastrous 10-game stretch" for the offense in 3 straight seasons.

 

Baloney. It’s not a “disastrous 10-game stretch” unless it ruins the season. That’s what disastrous means.

[Dipre]

Baloney. It’s not a “disastrous 10-game stretch” unless it ruins the season. That’s what disastrous means.

 

Jesus Christ.

[Maxbialystock]

Jesus Christ.

 

10 games are 6% of a season. Disastrous is the wrong word.

[Dipre]

10 games are 6% of a season. Disastrous is the wrong word.

 

No it isn't. It's simple context. You choose the weirdest hills to want to die on.

[mvp 78]

No it isn't. It's simple context. You choose the weirdest hills to want to die on.

 

An innocuous tidbit was sent to the electric chair. Final meal: just desserts.

[Maxbialystock]

An innocuous tidbit was sent to the electric chair. Final meal: just desserts.

 

No. You’re both wrong. 10 games of lousy hitting is simply not a disaster. In fact, it’s almost commonplace.

[moonslav59]

No. You’re both wrong. 10 games of lousy hitting is simply not a disaster. In fact, it’s almost commonplace.

 

Max, it's all subjective. Some might call just last night's game "disastrous."

 

It kinda was, even if a bit hyperbolic.

[vegasbob]

No. You’re both wrong. 10 games of lousy hitting is simply not a disaster. In fact, it’s almost commonplace.

 

Let's keep the ball bouncing....a simultaneous "slump" with limited run production over a 10 game period by 10 or more lineup batters is uncommon. No multirun scoring innings over 9+ games is uncommon. It also speaks to the fact that to achieve that, it means that NO ONE hit a homerun with a man or men on base. That is the only fact common to this version of the RS.

 

I do think that when the rest of the lineup sees Devers failing to pick them up, they try too hard to hit the 6 run HR with no one on , thereby failing to extend innings and move the line. I also think Casas has a long way to go as a player, but time is on his side.

If Story returns during July as a DH initially , then Casas will have to sit in favor of Turner at 1B for his bat. Or Turner will be heavily shopped at the deadline ( more likely)

[Duran Is The Man]

No. You’re both wrong. 10 games of lousy hitting is simply not a disaster. In fact, it’s almost commonplace.

 

for 10 games, (Sep 7-17, 1978) the Red Sox went 1-9 and scored just 22 runs. this DISASTER caused them to go from 3 games up on the Yankems to 2.5 games down. we all know what happened after that.

[illinoisredsox]

for 10 games, (Sep 7-17, 1978) the Red Sox went 1-9 and scored just 22 runs. this DISASTER caused them to go from 3 games up on the Yankems to 2.5 games down. we all know what happened after that.

 

It should be noted that that Red Sox lineup included not one but 4 players who would be elected to the Hall of Fame as well as a couple others who merited some consideration. This Sox lineup has maybe one in the latter category.

[Maxbialystock]

for 10 games, (Sep 7-17, 1978) the Red Sox went 1-9 and scored just 22 runs. this DISASTER caused them to go from 3 games up on the Yankems to 2.5 games down. we all know what happened after that.

 

Good find. I think there might also be 10 games in September 2011, the year the Sox plummeted in September and Francona lost his job.

[Duran Is The Man]

Good find. I think there might also be 10 games in September 2011, the year the Sox plummeted in September and Francona lost his job.

 

you're right...they had a horrendous last month of the season. btw, last night's winner for the Rockies, Daniel Bard, was on that Red Sox team.

[illinoisredsox]

Good find. I think there might also be 10 games in September 2011, the year the Sox plummeted in September and Francona lost his job.

 

Offense wasn't a problem that month; looking at BR, it was pretty much in line with their overall season. Sure, there were games here and there where they didn't score much, but there were no weeklong+ stretches.

 

The pitching basically imploded that month which is what caused the collapse.

[moonslav59]

Offense wasn't a problem that month; looking at BR, it was pretty much in line with their overall season. Sure, there were games here and there where they didn't score much, but there were no weeklong+ stretches.

 

The pitching basically imploded that month which is what caused the collapse.

 

The worst 10 game scoring stretch I could find in April was 41 runs (4.1 per game)

 

That worst stretch was better than all of June and our most recent 21 game stretch:

 

4.7 R/Gm May (122 runs/26 games)

 

3.4 R/Gm June (41 runs/12 games)

 

3.4 R.Gm since May 20th (71 runs/21 games)

 

It's 4.3 since May 1st.

[notin]

No. You’re both wrong. 10 games of lousy hitting is simply not a disaster. In fact, it’s almost commonplace.

 

The problem is, however, that the current stretch is ten games and counting…