A Realistic View of 2023: Part II

[Bellhorn04]

2. Anxiety is a mental health disorder that affects a person’s ability to handle everyday mundane activities and actually isn’t related to high pressure situations (where anxieties are quite common).

 

You're saying that the 3 players' cases of anxiety had nothing to do with baseball activities?

[notin]

You're saying that the 3 players' cases of anxiety had nothing to do with baseball activities?

 

1. Not what I said.

 

2. Do you know anyone with an anxiety disorder? What you call “pressure” has nothing to do with it. It’s all about putting undue pressure on activities that normally don’t have any. Even in baseball. “Steve Blass Disease” was about throwing to the catcher. “The Yips” is about making routine throws to first.

 

If you’re going to say closing is high pressure, it has NOTHING to do with an anxiety disorder…

[Bellhorn04]

1. Not what I said.

 

2. Do you know anyone with an anxiety disorder? What you call “pressure” has nothing to do with it. It’s all about putting undue pressure on activities that normally don’t have any. Even in baseball. “Steve Blass Disease” was about throwing to the catcher. “The Yips” is about making routine throws to first.

 

If you’re going to say closing is high pressure, it has NOTHING to do with an anxiety disorder…

 

I don't know how you can be so sure about this. Are you a mental health professional?

 

What causes the yips? Can you answer that?

[dgalehouse]

Some folks get so into analytics that they forget the psychology involved in sports. Now, I'm not a psychologist or anything, but to me it stands to reason that there is more pressure and stress involved in the final inning than there was earlier in the game. And I think that is felt throughout the ballpark, as well as in the living room or wherever you may be watching. And it has nothing to do with mental health. It's just normal human emotions.

[notin]

I don't know how you can be so sure about this. Are you a mental health professional?

 

What causes the yips? Can you answer that?

 

I am married to a mental health professional and deal with them constantly due to being a parent of a teenager with SAD…

[notin]

Some folks get so into analytics that they forget the psychology involved in sports. Now, I'm not a psychologist or anything, but to me it stands to reason that there is more pressure and stress involved in the final inning than there was earlier in the game. And I think that is felt throughout the ballpark, as well as in the living room or wherever you may be watching. And it has nothing to do with mental health. It's just normal human emotions.

 

1. You brought mental health into it.

 

2. You overtly superimposing your psychology on to players and other fans.

 

It only stands to reason when you don’t want to hear the counterpoint. And why are you bringing analytics into this?

[Bellhorn04]

I am married to a mental health professional and deal with them constantly due to being a parent of a teenager with SAD…

 

OK. But you didn't answer the second question.

 

My wife and daughter both have bipolar syndrome BTW, so I do have some experience as well.

Edited May 14, 2023 by Bellhorn04

[Bellhorn04]

1. You brought mental health into it.

 

2. You overtly superimposing your psychology on to players and other fans.

 

It only stands to reason when you don’t want to hear the counterpoint. And why are you bringing analytics into this?

 

No, that was me who brought mental health into it.

[Bellhorn04]

I think the kind of anxiety we're talking about here is "performance anxiety".

[dgalehouse]

1. You brought mental health into it.

 

2. You overtly superimposing your psychology on to players and other fans.

 

It only stands to reason when you don’t want to hear the counterpoint. And why are you bringing analytics into this?

 

I did not bring mental health into this at all. I don't know why you think that. I am just talking about the atmosphere surrounding trying to close a baseball game. That's all.

[Bellhorn04]

I did not bring mental health into this at all. I don't know why you think that.

 

I'm the one who brought up anxiety. He got my post mixed up with yours, that's all.

[Bellhorn04]

Folks who don't believe in clutch or choke often argue that just by making it to the major leagues, a player has confirmed their ability to handle pressure. It's a reasonable argument, but I don't think it's a conclusive one. From the minors to the majors is a quantum leap in attention and exposure and money.

[notin]

I did not bring mental health into this at all. I don't know why you think that. I am just talking about the atmosphere surrounding trying to close a baseball game. That's all.

 

I would think it is extremely possible most closers have learned to ignore that atmosphere through sheer overexposure

[notin]

OK. But you didn't answer the second question.

 

My wife and daughter both have bipolar syndrome BTW, so I do have some experience as well.

 

I don’t know what causes the Yips and I am not sure anyone does…

[notin]

Folks who don't believe in clutch or choke often argue that just by making it to the major leagues, a player has confirmed their ability to handle pressure. It's a reasonable argument, but I don't think it's a conclusive one. From the minors to the majors is a quantum leap in attention and exposure and money.

 

That’s an argument about why there is more pressure in the minors than the majors…

[moonslav59]

1. You brought mental health into it.

 

2. You overtly superimposing your psychology on to players and other fans.

 

It only stands to reason when you don’t want to hear the counterpoint. And why are you bringing analytics into this?

 

Because they believe people who are interested in analytics are robot, have nver played the game, cannot enjoy it like real people can and "just don't get it," because our heads are fill to the brim with swirling numbers and metrics.

[harmony]

Because they believe people who are interested in analytics are robot, have nver played the game, cannot enjoy it like real people can and "just don't get it," because our heads are fill to the brim with swirling numbers and metrics.

Audit a free online course in sport analytics:

 

https://www.edx.org/course/sport-analytics-data-driven-decision-making

[notin]

Because they believe people who are interested in analytics are robot, have nver played the game, cannot enjoy it like real people can and "just don't get it," because our heads are fill to the brim with swirling numbers and metrics.

 

The sad part is - every single person that argues “the human element” of the game and insists the game is played by people and not numbers then goes on to lump every player into broad, sweeping categories thus denying any of them are individuals…

[notin]

I think the kind of anxiety we're talking about here is "performance anxiety".

 

Not necessarily. It came up with Bard, who stated his anxiety is present on and off the field. His anxiety could also be social…

[moonslav59]

The sad part is - every single person that argues “the human element” of the game and insists the game is played by people and not numbers then goes on to lump every player into broad, sweeping categories thus denying any of them are individuals…

 

...they treat posters the same.

 

Stat geeks have never played the game (or sucked, if they did.)

 

Stat geeks can't possibly enjoy the game like non stat geeks.

 

Stat geeks all believe there is no human element in the game, or it is so minimal, it is not worth discussing.

 

When stat geeks provide evidence to back up their opinion, they come across as know-it-alls and and their statement is the be-all-end-all point of discussion.

 

We are all robots, clones or posting under multiple names, because our views are so outlandish, only one person could possibly hold that view.

 

[moonslav59]

Not necessarily. It came up with Bard, who stated his anxiety is present on and off the field. His anxiety could also be social…

 

It looks like ERod got over his severe issues.

[Nick]

I don't want to dwell on this but

 

When the entire board can see the train wreck coming in one Ryan Brasier but no one at Sox sees it, there is a problem. We are just bunch of juvenile want a be GM's.

Edited May 15, 2023 by Nick

[Nick]

Is there anyone here that thinks Kluber can get out of his funk?

 

All we ask as fans is that we put out our best 26 on the roster.

 

I'm not sure if we have it. Rodriguez is set to be activated, giving us 3 lefties out of the pen. Bernardino becomes the next prime candidate to be sent down. He has options left for a later call up in case of bullpen injuries.

 

When Kutter returns on the heels of Whitlock return, how can the Sox keep a straight face not getting rid of Kluber?

 

I want the best 26. I rather Sox admit to mistake and move forward. Kluber means absolutely NOTHING to the Sox future.

 

He was merely a rental. And not a good one, Mr. Bloom.

Edited May 15, 2023 by Nick

[Old Red]

...they treat posters the same.

 

Stat geeks have never played the game (or sucked, if they did.)

 

Stat geeks can't possibly enjoy the game like non stat geeks.

 

Stat geeks all believe there is no human element in the game, or it is so minimal, it is not worth discussing.

 

When stat geeks provide evidence to back up their opinion, they come across as know-it-alls and and their statement is the be-all-end-all point of discussion.

 

We are all robots, clones or posting under multiple names, because our views are so outlandish, only one person could possibly hold that view.

 

 

Wha, wha wha those poor posters. Sad movies it is.

[Bellhorn04]

Not necessarily. It came up with Bard, who stated his anxiety is present on and off the field. His anxiety could also be social…

 

Yes, but this trip to the IL was preceded by a disastrous outing in the WBC. And no one asked him about that AFAIK. Which is understandable, because it's very sensitive stuff.

[Bellhorn04]

notin was asking why Cora didn't use Schreiber in last night's game. I looked it up and Schreiber hasn't pitched since May 6, but there's nothing about him being hurt. So it's a mystery.

[Bellhorn04]

Is there anyone here that thinks Kluber can get out of his funk?

 

All we ask as fans is that we put out our best 26 on the roster.

 

I'm not sure if we have it. Rodriguez is set to be activated, giving us 3 lefties out of the pen. Bernardino becomes the next prime candidate to be sent down. He has options left for a later call up in case of bullpen injuries.

 

When Kutter returns on the heels of Whitlock return, how can the Sox keep a straight face not getting rid of Kluber?

 

I want the best 26. I rather Sox admit to mistake and move forward. Kluber means absolutely NOTHING to the Sox future.

 

He was merely a rental. And not a good one, Mr. Bloom.

 

Nope. Should have signed Eovaldi instead. Easy to say from the armchair of course.

[moonslav59]

Is there anyone here that thinks Kluber can get out of his funk?

 

All we ask as fans is that we put out our best 26 on the roster.

 

I'm not sure if we have it. Rodriguez is set to be activated, giving us 3 lefties out of the pen. Bernardino becomes the next prime candidate to be sent down. He has options left for a later call up in case of bullpen injuries.

 

When Kutter returns on the heels of Whitlock return, how can the Sox keep a straight face not getting rid of Kluber?

 

I want the best 26. I rather Sox admit to mistake and move forward. Kluber means absolutely NOTHING to the Sox future.

 

He was merely a rental. And not a good one, Mr. Bloom.

 

I think Kluber can pitch well enough to be a plus, but he has not, so far.

 

He has pitched okay the last 2 years:

 

4.17 ERA and 3.66 FIP in 47 starts.

 

BTW, Nate was 4.15 after the extension (2019-2022) He was 3.80, the last 2 years.

 

Kluber is never going to regain what he once had.

 

That being said, if it's between him and Bello, I'd keep Bello. We could probably pay half his salary and trade him.

 

Crawford and Wink have done well, this year, but it's not an easy choice with them vs Kluber, to me. My guess is someone goes on the IL, or phantom IL when the last guys is called up.

[notin]

Nope. Should have signed Eovaldi instead. Easy to say from the armchair of course.

 

And with the benefit of hindsight.

 

Eovaldi had 2 seasons with Boston without significant injury, and wasn’t likely to have many more as he got older. His current two year deal with Texas is probably about the limit any team should sign him for…

[jad]

The sad part is - every single person that argues “the human element” of the game and insists the game is played by people and not numbers then goes on to lump every player into broad, sweeping categories thus denying any of them are individuals…

 

"Every single person"? Could you give at least one example, since you claim this applies to all of us?